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    #23418259 - 07/06/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So,

I have some cakes I'm attempting to salvage after they became dehydrated.
They seem to be looking a lot more hydrated-however I still feel like something may be wrong. Possibly the dehydration has done some irreversible damage?

I have a few mushrooms that seem to be at their picking stage - but they are quite small.

Can anyone diagnose an issue or help me out with what needs to be done for these little guys?

Should I let these premature guys continue to grow? They seem to be growing still, but I don't want to let them spore out everywhere and make a mess of things...

I read in a similar post that I might be able to pick these premies, re-soak the cakes by either re-dunking or setting in a saucer of water - and then re-rolling in fine verm.
It was an older post - what do you guys think of that solution?

Let me know whatever advice you have! Thanks a lot!

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418286 - 07/06/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418304 - 07/06/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.




How should I go about re-hydrating them? I've been misting like crazy... and they keep drinking it up. Does that mean I have too much FAE? The holes in the SGFC are drilled to spec.

My perlite stays moist (due to the misting).

Too much FAE will take away the humidity - thus drying out the cakes...right?

So if I have the proper level of perlite, the proper holes drilled (on all six sides) and I'm misting something wicked... It must mean I have too much FAE right?

Let me know if I'm on the right track...

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418316 - 07/06/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.




How should I go about re-hydrating them? I've been misting like crazy... and they keep drinking it up. Does that mean I have too much FAE? The holes in the SGFC are drilled to spec.

My perlite stays moist (due to the misting).

Too much FAE will take away the humidity - thus drying out the cakes...right?

So if I have the proper level of perlite, the proper holes drilled (on all six sides) and I'm misting something wicked... It must mean I have too much FAE right?

Let me know if I'm on the right track...

Thanks.



you can drop them in a pot of water or set them on a dish of water. all the blue bruising on the cake means its dry. the small fruits are another sign its dry. get them hydrated and the subsequent growth will be nice.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418335 - 07/06/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.




How should I go about re-hydrating them? I've been misting like crazy... and they keep drinking it up. Does that mean I have too much FAE? The holes in the SGFC are drilled to spec.

My perlite stays moist (due to the misting).

Too much FAE will take away the humidity - thus drying out the cakes...right?

So if I have the proper level of perlite, the proper holes drilled (on all six sides) and I'm misting something wicked... It must mean I have too much FAE right?

Let me know if I'm on the right track...

Thanks.



you can drop them in a pot of water or set them on a dish of water. all the blue bruising on the cake means its dry. the small fruits are another sign its dry. get them hydrated and the subsequent growth will be nice.




What's your take on 'WHY' they dried out? Too much time in the FC? (16+ days).

or too much FAE?

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418351 - 07/06/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

did you dunk them after you birthed them?


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418406 - 07/06/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The reason they dried out is not enough water.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418423 - 07/06/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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did you dunk them after you birthed them?




Yes, - but the verm was too coarse and fell away from the cake rather quickly.

At this very moment, they are in a bath (fully submerged) and I am going to let them soak for around 15-24 hours and then re-roll them in finely ground verm.

It took them a long time to begin pinning/fruiting (16 days) - they had a long time to dry out.

The mycelium ended up 'eating' a lot of the verm layer as it was still growing a bit in the FC... not really helping my 'casing layer' (lol)...

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23418431 - 07/06/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The reason they dried out is not enough water.




ummm.... yes....

Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?

Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?

Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right?      :smile:


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418438 - 07/06/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The reason they dried out is not enough water.




ummm.... yes....

Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?





More water.

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Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?




Yeah, dunking and bottom watering are both pretty good means.
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Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right?      :smile:




If you like the crunchy texture of verm and the possibility of consuming any hidden contaminants, then absolutely.  Otherwise... just eat the mushrooms that you grow instead.

Also, don't re-roll in verm.  The dunk after birthing comes before the roll in verm so none of the verm should have washed away..  Re-rolling in verm after the first flush gives all the contaminants that landed on it over the past 2 weeks a perfect microclimate to flourish in.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23418474 - 07/06/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The reason they dried out is not enough water.




ummm.... yes....

Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?





More water.

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Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?




Yeah, dunking and bottom watering are both pretty good means.  Should be submerged for hours though.
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Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right?      :smile:




If you like the crunchy texture of verm and the possibility of consuming any hidden contaminants, then absolutely.  Otherwise... just eat the mushrooms that you grow instead.




I know that cakes are most definitely not good for eating... hehe

I was sort of poking fun at the whole "They're dry because they don't have enough water" post - which is most definitely true- but completely non-helpful to the questions I had.

I'm hoping someone comes in and gives me an answer to my FAE question as well as some clarity to the success of the solution I am currently attempting.

IE- Will what I am doing now work for my problem? and Why was there a problem to begin with?

Thanks everyone!
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The reason they dried out is not enough water.




ummm.... yes....

Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?





More water.

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Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?




Yeah, dunking and bottom watering are both pretty good means.
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Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right?      :smile:




If you like the crunchy texture of verm and the possibility of consuming any hidden contaminants, then absolutely.  Otherwise... just eat the mushrooms that you grow instead.

Also, don't re-roll in verm.  The dunk after birthing comes before the roll in verm so none of the verm should have washed away..  Re-rolling in verm after the first flush gives all the contaminants that landed on it over the past 2 weeks a perfect microclimate to flourish in.





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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418493 - 07/06/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What kind of FC are you using? How often were you misting the cakes?


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418611 - 07/06/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What kind of FC are you using? How often were you misting the cakes?




I am using a SGFC.
-1/4" holes drilled every 2" on all six sides
-5 inches of perlite properly hydrated and drained (re-'fluffed' and re-'wetted' every week)
-Lid not translucent - but lots of window light flowing in thru the sides
-Misting 4-6 times daily (fine droplets from 5 feet above the chamber)


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418649 - 07/06/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Where is the SGFC located?  In the open, against a wall, in a closet?  is there a fan in the room?


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418659 - 07/06/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Assuming you are using PF Tek and a SGFC, this is for your future reference:

The best way to gauge proper FAE (works best if your cakes are relatively dry looking prior to misting, which is also what should be assessed to determine when to mist again), is to lightly mist your cakes from above, so small water droplets appear on the entirety of your cakes, fan like normal, closed the lid.  Every half hour or so, inspect the moisture content on your cakes.  If you have appropriate FAE, the moisture on the cakes should be gone within 30 minutes.

Your cakes in the pictures you provided are bruised, with generally is an indication of over handling or a dry substrate.  The small mushroom size can also be attributed to genetics, FAE, and/or a dry substrate.  If I were you, I would fruit what you have, then dunk those fuckers for 24 hours.  In my opinion, you have too much FAE.  Plug up some holes with tape after you re-dunk your cakes, and follow my advice above about gauging proper FAE.   


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    #23418735 - 07/06/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418739 - 07/06/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

there is no such thing as too much FAE. bad advice. don't cover any holes. look at the post count and ratings of the people giving you advice here.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418742 - 07/06/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank You!

I will do what I embarked on but I won't re-roll!


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418791 - 07/06/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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there is no such thing as too much FAE. bad advice. don't cover any holes



What if OP has a fan blowing right on his chamber 24/7?

What if OP has his chamber outside on a porch?

There are too many variables involved with a grow to tell someone that too much FAE doesn't exist!

It can ruin humidity as well as other variables in a SGFC!

We have to get to know OP's grow to truly give him adequate information!



That's literally what people were asking him a few posts up.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418800 - 07/06/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you. I feel like I have too much FAE - and not enough humidity in my chamber. I don't have a hygrometer - but I FEEL like my RH is too low because of the room it is in. (Low RH to begin with because of where I live).

I think I will attempt the re-dunk and re-fruit and then if I have the same problem again I will wait on the 48 quart sized jars of WBS I have incubating right now.... :smile:


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418809 - 07/06/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What if OP has a fan blowing right on his chamber 24/7?
-Then he better turn it off.
What if OP has his chamber outside on a porch?
-That would be unfortunate.
There are too many variables involved with a grow to tell someone that too much FAE doesn't exist!
-Okay, too much FAE doesn't exist when you follow the tek and use a proper SGFC in the right way.
It can ruin humidity as well as other variables in a SGFC!
-You really can't... "ruin" humidity in a SGFC just by opening the lid.
We have to get to know OP's grow to truly give him adequate information!
Agreed but if he follows the basic instructions surrounding the SGFC, that leaves little to the imagination.






Too much FAE is not a thing that happens and if it somehow was, what you would have is too much wind, not too much FAE.  Dryness in the outer environment triggers the evaporation in the SGFC which is what forms the humidity in there in the first place.  So that won't factor in.  All that factors in is not having a fan running and having the SGFC in the middle of a medium sized room.

If there were such thing as too much FAE, this wouldn't be a thing:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129

I've pulled off a couple open air grows myself.  Not great, but they worked.



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    #23418818 - 07/06/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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look at the post count and ratings of the people giving you advice here.




Post counts and ratings are deceiving good sir...

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there is no such thing as too much FAE. bad advice. don't cover any holes




I'm sure in all your SGFC's you had the lid open to invite all that FAE right?

And when you did open up that lid - you didn't cause any other variables to go bad right?

What if OP has a fan blowing right on his chamber 24/7?

What if OP has his chamber outside on a porch?

There are too many variables involved with a grow to tell someone that too much FAE doesn't exist!

It can ruin humidity as well as other variables in a SGFC!

We have to get to know OP's grow to truly give him adequate information!




mushrooms can be grown in open air without a fruiting chamber. you literally can't get more FAE than that. Growing Without A Fruiting Chamber

so idk what you are going on about. taping holes is bad advice. misting more often, dunking between flushes, and hydrating your perlite are all correct ways to fix the drying cake problem. never, should you fuck with the design of the SGFC.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418821 - 07/06/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I beat you ever so slightly to the punch, but indeed.  And only thanks to ninja edits. :hehehe:


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    #23418825 - 07/06/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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never, should you fuck with the design of the SGFC.




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    #23418828 - 07/06/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Taping holes in a SGFC limits air flow and actually causes it to dry out. If you live in a dry climate then you will probably want to mist a bit more and be sure that the chamber is functioning well by keeping the bottom holes clear with a pencil and away from walls.


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    #23418927 - 07/07/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look, it's simple, plugging holes in the SGFC makes it not work as well.  Before you plug holes, turn off all your fans, mist more heavily each time, try bottom watering, anything but cripple the fruiting chamber.


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    #23418936 - 07/07/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Look, it's simple, plugging holes in the SGFC makes it not work as well.  Before you plug holes, turn off all your fans, mist more heavily each time, try bottom watering, anything but cripple the fruiting chamber.




Morty422's post does seem viable. Everything is set up to a "T" but that A/C in the adjacent room might be fudging up my room's RH levels. I will attempt Another fruit with the newly dunked cakes and see what goes down....


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23418943 - 07/07/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Unless OP has a fan the SGFC can't have too much FAE. Sorry. If it's dry (low humid environment) then that's why he mists more but that doesn't mean it has too much FAE. AC in an adjacent room wouldn't mess up the humidity that bad in your fruiting room inside your fruiting chamber.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23418946 - 07/07/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Try misting the cakes directly, not the chamber.  You're watering the mushrooms, not the unicorns.


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    #23418950 - 07/07/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23570757 - 08/23/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm having a similar dilemma.. my cakes came out nice however they've taken longer than a week and a half to pin. Now that they are fruiting, somewhat...I'm finding that the cakes are dehydrated.
I'm a little weary of dunking them again because I don't want to kill what pins are poking through. Any suggestions? Much appreciated & thanks for your time
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23570794 - 08/23/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm having a similar dilemma.. my cakes came out nice however they've taken longer than a week and a half to pin. Now that they are fruiting, somewhat...I'm finding that the cakes are dehydrated.
I'm a little weary of dunking them again because I don't want to kill what pins are poking through. Any suggestions? Much appreciated & thanks for your time
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Mist them when they're looking dry.  Not soaking, but try to keep them glistening at all times and make sure you have good fresh air exchange.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: KenInVic]
    #23570840 - 08/23/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, thank you. will do. Does it matter if there is or isn't a verm casing layer? In my attempt to re hydrate i ran them under water and subsequently eliminated the casing layer


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23571036 - 08/23/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The verm layer is pretty extraordinarily important for cakes.  Without the verm layer they'll dry up quickly, be less likely to form any kind of a good pinset, and may in the end be slightly more prone to contamination due to the consistent drying out.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23571217 - 08/23/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Would you suggest a re-roll?


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23571979 - 08/24/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you suggest a re-roll?




Not unless you want to give all the contams on it the perfect environment to grow and flourish.

I've read a few veteran growers say not to re-roll your cakes. Inocuole was one of them. I'll try to find the post.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23574389 - 08/24/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right on. Came home from work today and its pin-city. Excited but also discouraged due to the issue im having. There was not much F.A.E today either, seeing how i worked a long shift. I wonder if perhaps the SGFC's holes provide enough F.A.E already.. I'll attach a few pics so you all can see the set up. Thank you for your advice.
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23574418 - 08/24/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those are okay man you don't want to re-roll anything. The holes in the SGFC provide all the FAE.


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    #23574422 - 08/24/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those are okay man you don't want to re-roll anything. The holes in the SGFC provide all the FAE.




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    #23574432 - 08/24/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those are okay man you don't want to re-roll anything. The holes in the SGFC provide all the FAE.



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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23582704 - 08/27/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23585744 - 08/28/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23586335 - 08/28/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm new to growing and had a similar problem with one of my cakes. I was told to place about 3 teaspoons of wet verm on the top. Within the next day or two I finally had some growth.

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The growth is small, but maybe worth the try. Good luck!


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Jawso]
    #23586404 - 08/28/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That looks contaminated as hell..


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23587285 - 08/28/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that's molded all to shit


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23587305 - 08/28/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya I tossed it. At first I thought it was just the myc fluffing up.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Jawso]
    #23589880 - 08/29/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Better luck next time brother. I added wet  verm to my cakes as. It's a good trick in a pinch.

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