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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418800 - 07/06/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you. I feel like I have too much FAE - and not enough humidity in my chamber. I don't have a hygrometer - but I FEEL like my RH is too low because of the room it is in. (Low RH to begin with because of where I live).

I think I will attempt the re-dunk and re-fruit and then if I have the same problem again I will wait on the 48 quart sized jars of WBS I have incubating right now.... :smile:


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418809 - 07/06/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What if OP has a fan blowing right on his chamber 24/7?
-Then he better turn it off.
What if OP has his chamber outside on a porch?
-That would be unfortunate.
There are too many variables involved with a grow to tell someone that too much FAE doesn't exist!
-Okay, too much FAE doesn't exist when you follow the tek and use a proper SGFC in the right way.
It can ruin humidity as well as other variables in a SGFC!
-You really can't... "ruin" humidity in a SGFC just by opening the lid.
We have to get to know OP's grow to truly give him adequate information!
Agreed but if he follows the basic instructions surrounding the SGFC, that leaves little to the imagination.






Too much FAE is not a thing that happens and if it somehow was, what you would have is too much wind, not too much FAE.  Dryness in the outer environment triggers the evaporation in the SGFC which is what forms the humidity in there in the first place.  So that won't factor in.  All that factors in is not having a fan running and having the SGFC in the middle of a medium sized room.

If there were such thing as too much FAE, this wouldn't be a thing:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129

I've pulled off a couple open air grows myself.  Not great, but they worked.



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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418818 - 07/06/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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look at the post count and ratings of the people giving you advice here.




Post counts and ratings are deceiving good sir...

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there is no such thing as too much FAE. bad advice. don't cover any holes




I'm sure in all your SGFC's you had the lid open to invite all that FAE right?

And when you did open up that lid - you didn't cause any other variables to go bad right?

What if OP has a fan blowing right on his chamber 24/7?

What if OP has his chamber outside on a porch?

There are too many variables involved with a grow to tell someone that too much FAE doesn't exist!

It can ruin humidity as well as other variables in a SGFC!

We have to get to know OP's grow to truly give him adequate information!




mushrooms can be grown in open air without a fruiting chamber. you literally can't get more FAE than that. Growing Without A Fruiting Chamber

so idk what you are going on about. taping holes is bad advice. misting more often, dunking between flushes, and hydrating your perlite are all correct ways to fix the drying cake problem. never, should you fuck with the design of the SGFC.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23418821 - 07/06/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I beat you ever so slightly to the punch, but indeed.  And only thanks to ninja edits. :hehehe:


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
    #23418825 - 07/06/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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never, should you fuck with the design of the SGFC.




Or buy a hygrometer.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23418828 - 07/06/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Taping holes in a SGFC limits air flow and actually causes it to dry out. If you live in a dry climate then you will probably want to mist a bit more and be sure that the chamber is functioning well by keeping the bottom holes clear with a pencil and away from walls.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics *DELETED* [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23418872 - 07/06/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23418927 - 07/07/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look, it's simple, plugging holes in the SGFC makes it not work as well.  Before you plug holes, turn off all your fans, mist more heavily each time, try bottom watering, anything but cripple the fruiting chamber.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23418936 - 07/07/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Look, it's simple, plugging holes in the SGFC makes it not work as well.  Before you plug holes, turn off all your fans, mist more heavily each time, try bottom watering, anything but cripple the fruiting chamber.




Morty422's post does seem viable. Everything is set up to a "T" but that A/C in the adjacent room might be fudging up my room's RH levels. I will attempt Another fruit with the newly dunked cakes and see what goes down....


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23418943 - 07/07/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Unless OP has a fan the SGFC can't have too much FAE. Sorry. If it's dry (low humid environment) then that's why he mists more but that doesn't mean it has too much FAE. AC in an adjacent room wouldn't mess up the humidity that bad in your fruiting room inside your fruiting chamber.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23418946 - 07/07/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Try misting the cakes directly, not the chamber.  You're watering the mushrooms, not the unicorns.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: KenInVic]
    #23418950 - 07/07/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

True 5 feet up is kinda high :lol:


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23570757 - 08/23/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm having a similar dilemma.. my cakes came out nice however they've taken longer than a week and a half to pin. Now that they are fruiting, somewhat...I'm finding that the cakes are dehydrated.
I'm a little weary of dunking them again because I don't want to kill what pins are poking through. Any suggestions? Much appreciated & thanks for your time
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23570794 - 08/23/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm having a similar dilemma.. my cakes came out nice however they've taken longer than a week and a half to pin. Now that they are fruiting, somewhat...I'm finding that the cakes are dehydrated.
I'm a little weary of dunking them again because I don't want to kill what pins are poking through. Any suggestions? Much appreciated & thanks for your time
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Mist them when they're looking dry.  Not soaking, but try to keep them glistening at all times and make sure you have good fresh air exchange.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: KenInVic]
    #23570840 - 08/23/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, thank you. will do. Does it matter if there is or isn't a verm casing layer? In my attempt to re hydrate i ran them under water and subsequently eliminated the casing layer


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23571036 - 08/23/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The verm layer is pretty extraordinarily important for cakes.  Without the verm layer they'll dry up quickly, be less likely to form any kind of a good pinset, and may in the end be slightly more prone to contamination due to the consistent drying out.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
    #23571217 - 08/23/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Would you suggest a re-roll?


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23571979 - 08/24/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you suggest a re-roll?




Not unless you want to give all the contams on it the perfect environment to grow and flourish.

I've read a few veteran growers say not to re-roll your cakes. Inocuole was one of them. I'll try to find the post.


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
    #23574389 - 08/24/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Right on. Came home from work today and its pin-city. Excited but also discouraged due to the issue im having. There was not much F.A.E today either, seeing how i worked a long shift. I wonder if perhaps the SGFC's holes provide enough F.A.E already.. I'll attach a few pics so you all can see the set up. Thank you for your advice.
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: beatone]
    #23574418 - 08/24/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those are okay man you don't want to re-roll anything. The holes in the SGFC provide all the FAE.


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