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lotzbetter
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Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics
#23418259 - 07/06/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So,
I have some cakes I'm attempting to salvage after they became dehydrated. They seem to be looking a lot more hydrated-however I still feel like something may be wrong. Possibly the dehydration has done some irreversible damage?
I have a few mushrooms that seem to be at their picking stage - but they are quite small.
Can anyone diagnose an issue or help me out with what needs to be done for these little guys?
Should I let these premature guys continue to grow? They seem to be growing still, but I don't want to let them spore out everywhere and make a mess of things...
I read in a similar post that I might be able to pick these premies, re-soak the cakes by either re-dunking or setting in a saucer of water - and then re-rolling in fine verm. It was an older post - what do you guys think of that solution?
Let me know whatever advice you have! Thanks a lot!
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
#23418286 - 07/06/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.
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lotzbetter
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
#23418304 - 07/06/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.
How should I go about re-hydrating them? I've been misting like crazy... and they keep drinking it up. Does that mean I have too much FAE? The holes in the SGFC are drilled to spec.
My perlite stays moist (due to the misting).
Too much FAE will take away the humidity - thus drying out the cakes...right?
So if I have the proper level of perlite, the proper holes drilled (on all six sides) and I'm misting something wicked... It must mean I have too much FAE right?
Let me know if I'm on the right track...
Thanks.
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
#23418316 - 07/06/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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lotzbetter said:
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Munchauzen said: the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.
How should I go about re-hydrating them? I've been misting like crazy... and they keep drinking it up. Does that mean I have too much FAE? The holes in the SGFC are drilled to spec.
My perlite stays moist (due to the misting).
Too much FAE will take away the humidity - thus drying out the cakes...right?
So if I have the proper level of perlite, the proper holes drilled (on all six sides) and I'm misting something wicked... It must mean I have too much FAE right?
Let me know if I'm on the right track...
Thanks.
you can drop them in a pot of water or set them on a dish of water. all the blue bruising on the cake means its dry. the small fruits are another sign its dry. get them hydrated and the subsequent growth will be nice.
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lotzbetter
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
#23418335 - 07/06/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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lotzbetter said:
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Munchauzen said: the cakes still look pretty damn dry, dude. if the fruits have stopped growing, then its definitely time to harvest them.
How should I go about re-hydrating them? I've been misting like crazy... and they keep drinking it up. Does that mean I have too much FAE? The holes in the SGFC are drilled to spec.
My perlite stays moist (due to the misting).
Too much FAE will take away the humidity - thus drying out the cakes...right?
So if I have the proper level of perlite, the proper holes drilled (on all six sides) and I'm misting something wicked... It must mean I have too much FAE right?
Let me know if I'm on the right track...
Thanks.
you can drop them in a pot of water or set them on a dish of water. all the blue bruising on the cake means its dry. the small fruits are another sign its dry. get them hydrated and the subsequent growth will be nice.
What's your take on 'WHY' they dried out? Too much time in the FC? (16+ days).
or too much FAE?
Thanks!
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
#23418351 - 07/06/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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did you dunk them after you birthed them?
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
#23418406 - 07/06/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The reason they dried out is not enough water.
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lotzbetter
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
#23418423 - 07/06/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: did you dunk them after you birthed them?
Yes, - but the verm was too coarse and fell away from the cake rather quickly.
At this very moment, they are in a bath (fully submerged) and I am going to let them soak for around 15-24 hours and then re-roll them in finely ground verm.
It took them a long time to begin pinning/fruiting (16 days) - they had a long time to dry out.
The mycelium ended up 'eating' a lot of the verm layer as it was still growing a bit in the FC... not really helping my 'casing layer' (lol)...
Do you think the above solution will help salvage them?
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lotzbetter
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
#23418431 - 07/06/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: The reason they dried out is not enough water.
ummm.... yes....
Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?
Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?
Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right?
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
#23418438 - 07/06/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: The reason they dried out is not enough water.
ummm.... yes....
Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?
More water.
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lotzbetter said: Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?
Yeah, dunking and bottom watering are both pretty good means.
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lotzbetter said: Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right? 
If you like the crunchy texture of verm and the possibility of consuming any hidden contaminants, then absolutely. Otherwise... just eat the mushrooms that you grow instead.
Also, don't re-roll in verm. The dunk after birthing comes before the roll in verm so none of the verm should have washed away.. Re-rolling in verm after the first flush gives all the contaminants that landed on it over the past 2 weeks a perfect microclimate to flourish in.
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lotzbetter
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Inocuole]
#23418474 - 07/06/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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lotzbetter said:
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Inocuole said: The reason they dried out is not enough water.
ummm.... yes....
Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?
More water.
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lotzbetter said: Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?
Yeah, dunking and bottom watering are both pretty good means. Should be submerged for hours though.
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lotzbetter said: Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right? 
If you like the crunchy texture of verm and the possibility of consuming any hidden contaminants, then absolutely. Otherwise... just eat the mushrooms that you grow instead.
I know that cakes are most definitely not good for eating... hehe
I was sort of poking fun at the whole "They're dry because they don't have enough water" post - which is most definitely true- but completely non-helpful to the questions I had.
I'm hoping someone comes in and gives me an answer to my FAE question as well as some clarity to the success of the solution I am currently attempting.
IE- Will what I am doing now work for my problem? and Why was there a problem to begin with?
Thanks everyone!
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Inocuole said:
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lotzbetter said:
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Inocuole said: The reason they dried out is not enough water.
ummm.... yes....
Can you give me any feedback or advice on what I can do to solve the issue?
More water.
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lotzbetter said: Are the above solutions I mentioned a viable way to save the cakes?
Yeah, dunking and bottom watering are both pretty good means.
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lotzbetter said: Should I just eat the cakes? I could eat them now right? 
If you like the crunchy texture of verm and the possibility of consuming any hidden contaminants, then absolutely. Otherwise... just eat the mushrooms that you grow instead.
Also, don't re-roll in verm. The dunk after birthing comes before the roll in verm so none of the verm should have washed away.. Re-rolling in verm after the first flush gives all the contaminants that landed on it over the past 2 weeks a perfect microclimate to flourish in.
Thank you!
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
#23418493 - 07/06/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What kind of FC are you using? How often were you misting the cakes?
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lotzbetter
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
#23418611 - 07/06/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: What kind of FC are you using? How often were you misting the cakes?
I am using a SGFC. -1/4" holes drilled every 2" on all six sides -5 inches of perlite properly hydrated and drained (re-'fluffed' and re-'wetted' every week) -Lid not translucent - but lots of window light flowing in thru the sides -Misting 4-6 times daily (fine droplets from 5 feet above the chamber)
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
#23418649 - 07/06/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where is the SGFC located? In the open, against a wall, in a closet? is there a fan in the room?
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: lotzbetter]
#23418659 - 07/06/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Assuming you are using PF Tek and a SGFC, this is for your future reference:
The best way to gauge proper FAE (works best if your cakes are relatively dry looking prior to misting, which is also what should be assessed to determine when to mist again), is to lightly mist your cakes from above, so small water droplets appear on the entirety of your cakes, fan like normal, closed the lid. Every half hour or so, inspect the moisture content on your cakes. If you have appropriate FAE, the moisture on the cakes should be gone within 30 minutes.
Your cakes in the pictures you provided are bruised, with generally is an indication of over handling or a dry substrate. The small mushroom size can also be attributed to genetics, FAE, and/or a dry substrate. If I were you, I would fruit what you have, then dunk those fuckers for 24 hours. In my opinion, you have too much FAE. Plug up some holes with tape after you re-dunk your cakes, and follow my advice above about gauging proper FAE.
Edited by Silverspork (07/06/16 10:32 PM)
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics *DELETED* [Re: Silverspork]
#23418735 - 07/06/16 10:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen


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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
#23418739 - 07/06/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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there is no such thing as too much FAE. bad advice. don't cover any holes. look at the post count and ratings of the people giving you advice here.
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lotzbetter
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: Munchauzen]
#23418742 - 07/06/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank You!
I will do what I embarked on but I won't re-roll!
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#23418761 - 07/06/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Dehydrated Cakes - Miniature Mushrooms - Pics [Re: morty422]
#23418791 - 07/06/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: there is no such thing as too much FAE. bad advice. don't cover any holes
What if OP has a fan blowing right on his chamber 24/7?
What if OP has his chamber outside on a porch?
There are too many variables involved with a grow to tell someone that too much FAE doesn't exist!
It can ruin humidity as well as other variables in a SGFC!
We have to get to know OP's grow to truly give him adequate information!
That's literally what people were asking him a few posts up.
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