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What causes a bad trip?
#23417459 - 07/06/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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A few days ago, i tried ayahuasca, which contained a few extra chemicals (rue/caapi, dpt, nn dmt, shrooms, 5meo dmt, DiPT)
I had a wonderful time. My friend E, stated that he felt a little anxiety (i was really chilled, reclined and seemed really calm to him, he thought at first he was supposed to be calm like me, then eventually eased into his trip and had a great time (almost took a trip killer [haloperidol] but decided to wait) he was really glad he didnt take it as he had a great time after his peak.
So my question is, what makes a bad trip?
Ive had plenty of trips in very high doses, some of which some of you guys are calling insanely high, and ones some people wouldn't get close to.
How can i have a bad trip? I feel like every one of my trips are very positive and uplifting, then i read a horror story here and there about having a bad trip.
Please dont take me the wrong way. I sincerely wish to experience EVERY side of psychedelics. I WANT to experience a bad trip. Maybe if i do, i could figure out somethings to help others not experience a bad trip.
What do i need to do to experience the dark side of psychedelics?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417464 - 07/06/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take more.
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You just need to be unhappy with yourself and being in a bad place.
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Bro. I have taken extreme amounts of some of these things, 30 something grams shrooms, about 250 mg lsd (the only time i whited out but it was an absolutely amazing day after, i whited out shortly after taking it, went to a white colorful room with some guy who was basically pulling the strings of reality, but the dying and rebirth part is something i was used to so it was relaxing in a way, die and be reborn and die and be reborn, every time i died my darkness would get so much brighter until it was all white and gossamer)
I took 200 mg 4aco dmt too and that wasnt bad.
Aside from taking a dose that would be deadly...
What do you guys think about before a trip goes south? Maybe if i change my routine ans try to get some dissonance in me before i go
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417493 - 07/06/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unhappy with myself and in a bad place. Hmmm. Need to bring some chaos in my life i guess. I can try that next time i trip
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417519 - 07/06/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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iv never had a bad trip and I don't want one
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417537 - 07/06/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Get addicted to drugs.isolate yourself.stop communicating with family.burn every bridge you have. Then maybe you'll hate yourself as much as some of us here do
But for realzies...maybe try some moderate sleep dep. like three nights then on the third day take like 7-12 grams of strong cubes alone. You SHOULD have a pretty bad time. It seems super unhealthy though.
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As long as its not killme unhealthy. That sounds good. I will try that in a few days, complete sleep deprivation, try to get my mind in a bad place and see what happens. Ive never experienced anything negative, unless you count not tripping hard as i want
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417610 - 07/06/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you want a bad trip eat like 7g dry after loosing a loved one
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: TeeRoy87]
#23417640 - 07/06/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That involves someone getting lost lol i have no control over that,and if that happened i would reconnect with their spiritual energy and it would end up being positive and uplifting to me
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417648 - 07/06/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope so but I don't think so,if there really close
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: TeeRoy87]
#23417663 - 07/06/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take it without thinking or just to get fucked up or take it frequently and you might have a bad trip. Or maybe when your stressed and alot on your mind. A bad trip can happen and it can be extremely traumatizing for a person. I was fucked up for a while from a bad mushroom trip. It's not something I regret because it did show me parts of myself I hid away and blocked for years instead of really coping with what I should have all the years prior to that experience.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417671 - 07/06/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My one and only "bad trip" all started with a paranoid thought about being seen picking the mushrooms I had earlier that day, and getting caught up with the 1/4lb of mushrooms I had....up until this trip I had been working with psychedelics for 9+ years and had well over 100 trips (lost count a long time ago) and never ever came close to having any sort of "bad" or difficult experience.
Through out all my years of dabbling with "drugs" I have never had any sort of weight or a lot of anything in my possession. It's always just some pot and maybe a dose or two of L, I usually only acquire things shortly before I intend on taking them. Having a relatively large amount of a drug at my house & in my possession for the first time (even though that's not a whole lot, it was way more of anything I've ever had) planted some paranoia within me.
A couple years ago I found several patches of cyans and allenii around my area and each patch was in a very public location with surveillance cameras everywhere. After harvesting the patches a few times over the period of a few weeks I had a bit over 1/4lb dry. The thought of being seen picking the mushrooms and getting caught up, or getting stopped while driving/riding home with a backpack literally full of mushrooms, or somehow being followed/traced back to my house, was always in the back of my mind....but when this thought randomly came up while peaking on 2g of allenii (equal to about 4g or 5g of cubes IME), my thoughts started to spiral out of control.
The thoughts that were spinning through my mind all seemed very real, as if what I was thinking was actually happening. The first couple hours of the trip was smooth sailing, and the length of time that I was "feaking out" was probably only about 20 to 30 minutes long, it was basically just a panic attack with lots of dread and fright that was all started with a paranoid thought....I explain the story of what happened that night in this thread....>>>>
First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips
That 20 or 30 minutes when I was going through the rough of it was probably hands down the most terrified/anxious/panicked I've ever been in my life....and I felt a bit "rattled" and had anxious baggage for a while after that trip. Shortly after it happened I was already laughing at my self looking back on it, and still do, but it was the opposite of a good time when I was going though it .
Other than that....I've never really got hung up on what I'd consider a "bad" or difficult trip. I've had quite a few trips where all the pain/suffering, all the darkness and fucked up shit that our fellow brothers and sisters have gone through, as well as the destruction of our mamma earth's systems, I've had trips where that stuff eats at me deeply where I'm not having a "pleasant" experience, but that just comes with the territory of psychedelics and empathy and I don't at all consider it a "bad" trip.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: openmind]
#23417701 - 07/06/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My lifes pretty shitty and I've gotten "bored" during trips before and tried to trigger a bad trip and just couldn't do it. Thought about my bleak financial situation, my long term unemployment, my health problems, all the deaths I've been surrounded by lately, stare myself in the mirror and tell myself I'm a piece of shit and I'm mentally insane, dwell on past mistakes, watch questionable videos, etc. I think its just a russian roulette with hundreds of empty chambers. Never know when that one is going to come up.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417720 - 07/06/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: A few days ago, i tried ayahuasca, which contained a few extra chemicals (rue/caapi, dpt, nn dmt, shrooms, 5meo dmt, DiPT)
I had a wonderful time. My friend E, stated that he felt a little anxiety (i was really chilled, reclined and seemed really calm to him, he thought at first he was supposed to be calm like me, then eventually eased into his trip and had a great time (almost took a trip killer [haloperidol] but decided to wait) he was really glad he didnt take it as he had a great time after his peak.
So my question is, what makes a bad trip?
Ive had plenty of trips in very high doses, some of which some of you guys are calling insanely high, and ones some people wouldn't get close to.
How can i have a bad trip? I feel like every one of my trips are very positive and uplifting, then i read a horror story here and there about having a bad trip.
Please dont take me the wrong way. I sincerely wish to experience EVERY side of psychedelics. I WANT to experience a bad trip. Maybe if i do, i could figure out somethings to help others not experience a bad trip.
What do i need to do to experience the dark side of psychedelics?
a bad trip can be caused by:
mindset
setting
too big of dose
the drug working on your ego and you needing the ass-kicking
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23417726 - 07/06/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whaat I've never heard of people trying to induce a bad trip! Bad trips usually come on by themselves, and afterwards you realize that you learned a huge lesson from it.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417745 - 07/06/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Personally...I don't think high doses necessarily increases the chance of having a "bad" trip, especially with someone that has some experience (though when things do go bad on high doses, when one is out of touch with the world, shit can go real bad)...as always, it usually comes down to (mind)set & setting. Having a level sensible head, having control over one's mind and thoughts, and being somewhat knowledgeable about the substances one is taking, and taking such in a comfortable setting, that all goes a long way in keeping the sailing smooth.....
....But things can randomly go awry, just as they did for me (in fact, I think if I was on a higher dose that night I had my little freak out, I probably wouldn't have even had that thought arise in the middle of my trip, a bit higher of a dose and my mind/thoughts, "I", would be somewhere else entirely, or non-existent)
Just curious....About how old are you 4aco?...and how long have you been working with psychedelics?
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Mike4aco said: ....and if that happened i would reconnect with their spiritual energy and it would end up being positive and uplifting to me
That's kinda how I think it'd go for me as well, in such a situation. Ultimately being a positive/therapeutic trip.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23417751 - 07/06/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think just getting overwhelmed from the intensity of the trip is enough to throw many people into a difficult trip.
When I trip my visuals just go crazy, the intensity of the hallucinations is what can give me that lost of control.
When you feel like you're losing control the heart rate and "fight of flight" part of the body starts going into overdrive, that can sometimes increase the drug as well, before you know it you're in a vicious cycle of anxiety about nothing.
With that being said, the more experience one has with tripping, the less likely it's going to happen, confidence can be key.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: qman] 1
#23417811 - 07/06/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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#23417825 - 07/06/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Confidence is so important while tripping. Not so much as the ego but the knowledge you have with what you're experiencing.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23417863 - 07/06/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've noticed with my recent experiments with 4-ho-met, my first few times I had the expectations of a strong trip since I took such large doses. I would always be met with a horrible excruciating come up that has me balled up on the floor or couch for 30-45 minutes wondering if I'm having some kind of weird reaction and dying. Then the trip hits and that horrible come up feeling goes away, but the trip feels dull and underwhelming in comparison to the comeup.
Lately I've taken doses of 4-ho-met, and have the mindset that its not even going to work due to tolerance or due to it being a weak psychedelic to me... in those cases I get no sort of come up feeling at all and figure "I was right, didn't do shit", then I go to the bathroom or something and notice my pupils are bugged out and then I start noticing the visual effects.
Interesting stuff. Glad I figured out how to tame those come ups. They were the worst I've ever experienced.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23417968 - 07/06/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Get almost blacked out drunk and then take 5g or more of dried mushrooms. It won't be fun.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: openmind]
#23418161 - 07/06/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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openmind said:
Just curious....About how old are you 4aco?...and how long have you been working with psychedelics?
I started using lsd when i was 16-17 and i am now 30.
I went to a family gathering a fee weeks ago, my friend gave some guy some mushrooms, and i think he was already tripping on acid. At the after party, they passed a bowl of dmt.
As they did that i rolled like, 9-10 blunts and began to pass them around. As the blunts got to this one guy, he held it and just hit it without passing it and started saying what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what happened what happened.
Thats the kind of bad trip i want to do to myself to experience what a bad trip is. I think that if i was to experience that kind of trip, i would come out of it with some ideas for how to stop it and change the direction of the trip, and maybe be able to help other psychonaughts in their travels
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Starstepper said: Get almost blacked out drunk and then take 5g or more of dried mushrooms. It won't be fun.
That might be interesting except that if i drink to much i could die haha i drink 3 beers and im trashed, i absolutely cannot drink alcohol. I might try it with dmt, ive read that dmt entities get angry if you are drunk
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418182 - 07/06/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow i'd say your very lucky. Bad trips are pretty much as horrible an experience as you can ever have in my estimation. I respect you wanting to see all the angles but you don't want that. Stick with keeping your mind healthy, no reason to introduce negativity in your mind.
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I was about three hours in on four geltabs of LSD when I found out my mom passed away. No bad trip came from that, even though before hand I thought that would be the worst thing to possibly happen during a trip.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418345 - 07/06/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Starstepper said: Get almost blacked out drunk and then take 5g or more of dried mushrooms. It won't be fun.
That might be interesting except that if i drink to much i could die haha i drink 3 beers and im trashed, i absolutely cannot drink alcohol. I might try it with dmt, ive read that dmt entities get angry if you are drunk
For me that's the only time I have ever had a bad trip. It feels like the alcohol reinforces my ego and it won't allow me to let go. Almost like a battle inside my head. Or I feel like I finally did it to myself, lost my mind and am in some sort of mental hospital where everyone is trying to help me get back to reality. In the end it is my subconscious, ego, whatever you want to call it in this case just not allowing me to let go.
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So op, you gunna do the sleep dep thing or get drunk? Either way shud let us know how it goes.
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I have a friend that always drinks before and during trips. I told him I didn't think it was a good idea but he seems to enjoy it.
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#23418418 - 07/06/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My buddy E does that, if you ever read a tr by me and it references E, hes probably had a few beers!
I will have to try both. Ive trippe 3 times in the last few days so i want to wait a bit to make sure i trip hard. I want to be able to do this to myself, and actually trip. Im not sure i can have a bad trip, so im going to take all of this (bad) advice to heart and do my best to actually create a bad mind set and see what happens. I got a few days before i can trip, so if anyone else has any ideas feel free to share. I appreciate the ideas, and bad trip stories so i can get a feel for what feeling i want to put in my mind for me to get to this "bad" level. Ive been talking about a reality prism, which we access by using psychedelics, maybe i can find a negative reality prism as well and see what its like.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418439 - 07/06/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I need a better selection of substances so I can trip more often. What doesn't have a cross tolerance with 4-ho-met, shrooms, or lsd?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23418460 - 07/06/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dmt i would think, DiPT maybe, any 2cx for certain, i used to trip 4 times a week, 2cx, shrooms, lsd, 2cy (as in a different 2cx) mescaline analogue would make it 5 days if i added allylescaline. Dox would probably have a different tolerance too. 4acodmt is amazing stuff i see it in your sig, its amazing (to me, my friend said it was too strong and bad tasting haha
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418480 - 07/06/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The 4-ho-met is terrible tasting and seems weak to me even taking heroic 120+mg doses. I think 4-ACO-DMT might be more up my alley.
Aren't the 2C's all gone/outlawed? Im in the United States.
I've been looking for DMT for about 8 years now and still haven't been fortunate enough to get any. Tried making some and failed miserably.
My only option right now is still I can order on the clearnet from domestic sources.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23418487 - 07/06/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am in the us and have every single 2cx except 2cb. I have never used a vendor either though
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418495 - 07/06/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You will not have a bad trip next time you trip. There are no real negatives in your life right now ... But please keep tripping it will hit you when you least expect it.....
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Kinko]
#23418516 - 07/06/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bad trips are the best trips in my opinion. They are the truly life changing trips. Nothing like having the universe pound a message that you've needed to hear for a long time into your head again and again and again and again and again and again.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: trvptamine]
#23418542 - 07/06/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Marijuana is only thing that has caused a bad trip for me. Twice actually. Weed induced panic attacks are not fun when your peaking.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: LSDollar]
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^^thats an interesting one. For me, smoking pot while tripping severely diminishes the effects of the trip. Happened so much that I don't even think about smoking weed during a trip anymore.. afterwords though, I'm a chimney lol
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: trvptamine]
#23418576 - 07/06/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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No negatives...
I owe my weed guy 7300$. Ive been trying to quit my job for 2 months. When i finally did quit, another employee just up and left to texas and called later that day saying hed be back, called tuesday bullshitted again. And look whos back at that job?
I spent 1400 on an acre of land and they wont let me live on it where i could start farming marijuana last year.
I dont own a car and owe my weed dude 7300.
I had a really really good friend who i cooked ayahuasca for rob me of two pounds of weed. His roommate drank ayahuasca with us and stole an oz of weed, i saw him every day for a month but he never answered his phone, combined they owe me over 3500.
Ive been paying that debt with my paycheck money. Guess who now has nothing saved up? I got another guy who owes me 3300, idk when he will pay me as his "phone is broken " but i gotta pay that outta pocket. Cant grow mushies where i live even though i have a bunch of spores. Cant go to fests and kick it with some shroomerites even though i had b33n planning on it for a month because this dude i used to work with at a job i quit left and so i had to go back.
Cant make any money when i sell my weed cause a few cheap bastards refuse to pay me more than a +200$ mark up on what i spent ev3n though it costs me $500 to transport back home. My parents are trying to move cause they're ancient and thwir human bodies are failing them, my dad will probably die within the next 5 years. I havent had a significant relationship with a member of thw opposite sex for almost a decade, even though they all say wow youre such an awesome person and you have such respect for people blah blah oh youre feiend zoned by the way. Dont have money to move cause i got robbed for a few pounds as i mentioned earlier, so i have sold about 50 pounds of weed in the last 3-4 months at a loss of about 6000$
I put 10 grams of wax in the washer with my clothes. Didnt find it till after i dried everything.
You're right bro, theres not too much negative going on with me right now, i really need to work on putting myself in a negative mindset
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: LSDollar]
#23418584 - 07/06/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mirraco said: Marijuana is only thing that has caused a bad trip for me. Twice actually. Weed induced panic attacks are not fun when your peaking.
I used to smoke so much weed when i tripped, like 14+ grams. I havent been as much lately cause the trip feels different, its like using weed activates a slightly different reality facet
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Wow that sounds like plenty enough for a bad trip... at least you still have some drugs right? LOL.
I've never even held more than 1/2 oz of weed at a time. It would be the end of my life to have an ounce stolen... let alone pounds... what the fuck man.
If you really want to quit your job... is there any way I can have it? I'm tired of filling out applications for 8 hours a day for apparently no reason.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23418600 - 07/06/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its weird. Its happened when I have only smoked a bowl, and when I smoked weed for a hour straight. I tend to not smoke weed until the peak has past and I am good. With molly though, i could go through 14G easily. One of my rolls all I did was keep packing the bong up probably went through atleast a quad of super dank.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23418608 - 07/06/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I work 12 hours a day for a 950$ paycheck 10 days every two weeks.
I was being honest, none of what i said sounds too bad to me. I really want to put myself in a negative mindset and i really want to give myself a bad trip, 1. For the experience 2. Maybe i can bring something out of it to help others.
I have a bunch of rc, and im sure i could offer them at $1 a dose and not get many takers since i also have a sheet of 300 mic L at least i have classics and rc, i can try though.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418661 - 07/06/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I mean I've ended up in the psych ward a few times bc of sleep dep. It's been used as a torture method. I think it should do the trick
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I stay up on my phone most nights anyway. Im kind of wondering, you guys think maybe psychedelics have taught me how to not have a bad trip on them? Im trying hard to think of negative things and debbie downers and coming up blank
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418689 - 07/06/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope you have better luck soon man
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Ill try the alcohol and sleep deprivation. I can buy a shot or something of liquor since that shit is gross and one or two shote gets me completely fall over drunk, add in a couple days sleep deprivation. Think negative thoughts. Think negative thoughts... That last one is gonna be hard for me
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418767 - 07/06/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bad trips have trouble living up what people think of when you say "Bad TRIP". I imagine some long haired hippy curled up in a ball crying. Man, that dude's having a bad trip. Most of the time when you're tripping, you're just sitting there with a blank look on your face. All kinds of bazaar stuff is going on in your head and to the observer you're just look like you're sitting there stoned or drunk...or totally sober.
I think most "bad trips" are the result of just being in a rotten mood. We all go through different moods during the day and this afternoon you were gonna be pissy. You were probably gonna get in an argument with someone because you just don't have much patience at the moment. Too bad you decided to trip. Now you're tripping and you have to deal with a dip in to depression that was going to happen no matter what. I had a girlfriend who would get me on the phone while I was tripping. She'd pick a fight and I'd take the bait and next we're yelling and she screams mean things and hangs up on me. I have another 6 hours to kill. There's a bad trip for you.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23418857 - 07/06/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya man maybe you already know they way to prevent/stop bad trips!
But also when I say sleep dep I don't mean just staying up all then passing out for an hour or two. I mean zero sleep. At all. 72 hours of zero sleep will reduce your reasoning skills
If by 72 hours you don't have a noticeable mental deterioration keep on the no sleep until you do. Don't over do it though, it's a good way to really injure yourself.
Maybe you have had a "bad" trip and you didn't recognize it as such bc you're willing to open your mind and allow the thoughts to flow without being offended by them?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Well I honestly don't truly believe in "bad trips" but I have definitely had one of those horror story trips with mushrooms. I almost had hypothermia from being in the freezing cold for hours and I still have PTSD from it.
The trip itself for the most part in the beginning was great though; it was on 4 grams.
My worst acid trip ever was only on a small dose (100 mics) but the set and setting (especially setting) was so bad that things just were going crazy in my head. A lot of bad acid trips come from mixing it with marijuana.
So I think it depends mostly on setting and whatnot. Today I had and extremely intense experience with edible hash that was quite rough. I did not expect it, I took a bit of a tolerance break and I was reading up on the history of edible hash and the Vedas and whatnot and ate the chocolate this morning and I couldn't even sit there. I had to lay down and suffer for about 4+ hours. It was very introspective and so strange. I can't explain it and I'm still processing it. This was a very rare happening for me. It reminded me a lot of a rough mushroom trip and felt like a very powerful entheogenic experience.
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Fucking life man. Hope your parents can get into a nice home.
As for thieves stealing your weed or people fucking you over get what's yours and cut them out of your life. It's the worst knowing that a "friend" will do that to you. I hope things start to mellow for you soon. I respect your openness and honesty. I have a hard time talking and opening myself up to people outside of 2 friends who have been there for me as I have for them our whole lives.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23419270 - 07/07/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Matai said: Eat a sheet and punch a cop. See where the day takes you.
This
Or deprive yourself of sleep or get drunk or both. Eat a shit load of shrooms and play some evil music LOUD and have a strobe light going or something.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23419295 - 07/07/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you 100% want a bad trip combine a good dose of LSD with a delirium dose of jimson weed. Its even called jimson weed because it fucked up jim morrison who was rumored to have some kind of magic ability to take psychs without flipping out.
Id recommend to have enough people around to restrain you and make sure you dont completely trash your house.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23419312 - 07/07/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have real life issues you are anxious about, then do the incredibly stupid thing of consuming psychedelics, good chance to have a bad trip that way. Another way is to be in a place you're unfamiliar with, surrounded by people you don't know, then consume psychs. Set/setting have a major impact on your trip.
If memory serves me correct, then I have had one bad trip, and that was the day after I got out of jail when I was much younger. The anxiety I had built up all came raging to the surface, and I got caught in a loop of infinite sadness, shit sucked.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23420802 - 07/07/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok i have a plan. Today is Thursday. I will trip either sunday night or monday night. I will deprive myself of sleep now until Sunday. If im still feeling like im not deprived enough i will wait till monday night. I will stop by a gas station and pick up a couple shots of hard liquor to drink, as two shots is plenty to get me super drunk. I usually dose lsd then shrooms. I will dose shrooms then lsd this time.
What i want from you guys, is to fill me up with negativity from now until then. Some of uou guys might hqve very personal negative stories which triggered a bad trip. Perhaps you could try to share a generalized version to give me an idea. I will try to focus on negative thoughts, perhaps one of your storiea will trigger a bad memory for me, which will aid on my quest.
Then either monday or Tuesday i can report back, hopefully with a bad trip and what happened while i was in the middle of thought i instantly recognize it as bad and do something to change my thoughts, did i dwell on it, whatever.
So this is my plan. Ill check back in here quite often at night to prevent myself from sleeping. Mayne Sunday when i get off work, i won't take a shower so i go to bed feeling icky and work like lol.
So, i am an empty cup, fill me wit negative thoughts!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23420823 - 07/07/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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want me to send you a really mean message while you're tripping?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
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That would be bad! Good idea
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23420857 - 07/07/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do all that and watch The Exorcist, The Conjuring or some other disturbing movie?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23420874 - 07/07/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: Ok i have a plan. Today is Thursday. I will trip either sunday night or monday night. I will deprive myself of sleep now until Sunday. If im still feeling like im not deprived enough i will wait till monday night. I will stop by a gas station and pick up a couple shots of hard liquor to drink, as two shots is plenty to get me super drunk. I usually dose lsd then shrooms. I will dose shrooms then lsd this time.
What i want from you guys, is to fill me up with negativity from now until then. Some of uou guys might hqve very personal negative stories which triggered a bad trip. Perhaps you could try to share a generalized version to give me an idea. I will try to focus on negative thoughts, perhaps one of your storiea will trigger a bad memory for me, which will aid on my quest.
Then either monday or Tuesday i can report back, hopefully with a bad trip and what happened while i was in the middle of thought i instantly recognize it as bad and do something to change my thoughts, did i dwell on it, whatever.
So this is my plan. Ill check back in here quite often at night to prevent myself from sleeping. Mayne Sunday when i get off work, i won't take a shower so i go to bed feeling icky and work like lol.
So, i am an empty cup, fill me wit negative thoughts!
Just get drunk as fuck on sunday and eat some shrooms on monday. Simple
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Ive watched some really disturbing things while tripping. Watched some movie about a guy in jail and other people broke in the jail and killed a lot of people, i watched see no evil, with kane the wrestler guy, watched this movie about hillbilly cannibals which was pretty graphic. ..
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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I cant drink too much, dr. Orders. I had surgery to remove my gallbladder when i was 24, i cant eat food high in fat (no bacon lol) cant drink too much hard liquor (if i do i start throwing up blood) i want to have a bad trip, not kill myself. I should probably put that out there so no one makes deadly suggestions lol. I can handle a couple but after that its bad on my body. Really bad on my body. I will stick to 2 shots, maybe a third as that is twice as much as i need to get shitface drunk as my gi absorbs stuff a lot easier now
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23420924 - 07/07/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think if you deprive yourself of sleep you might fall asleep and fuck up the experiment.
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#23420932 - 07/07/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha i will try not to do that, ill post on shroomery at least once an hour while tripping for sure to keep people in the loop
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23420980 - 07/07/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love this thread! What sort of music you into op?
Try watching this. Skip to 13:00 and watch from there. It is actually edited very well. they did a very good job.
*WARNING GRAPHIC* http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/new-isis-islamic-state-news-videos-pictures-kurdish-peshmerga-forces-executed-the-reality-of-the-american-raid-full-uncensored-youtube/
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23420987 - 07/07/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sweet. But not sweet that people like that exist. I will watch it while tripping also thinking of watching creepy Youtube
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23420994 - 07/07/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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also wot music u into?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23420998 - 07/07/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heavy metal and edm
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421001 - 07/07/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rap or no?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23421003 - 07/07/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not really but if im looking for a bad trip rap might help cause i don't like much rap
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Mate
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23421025 - 07/07/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Listen to the first track now and youl see what i mean. It might help you
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: qman]
#23421194 - 07/07/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your brain causes a bad trip. Seriously, everything you experience with mushrooms is going on in your head.
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qman said: I think just getting overwhelmed from the intensity of the trip is enough to throw many people into a difficult trip.
When I trip my visuals just go crazy, the intensity of the hallucinations is what can give me that lost of control.
When you feel like you're losing control the heart rate and "fight of flight" part of the body starts going into overdrive, that can sometimes increase the drug as well, before you know it you're in a vicious cycle of anxiety about nothing.
With that being said, the more experience one has with tripping, the less likely it's going to happen, confidence can be key.
This guy put things together well. The trip isn't bad it's you telling yourself yourself you don't want this or some convoluted subconscious/conscious decision making was involved. The shrooms aren't in control, you are. You took yourself on a bad trip the shrooms didn't.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23421200 - 07/07/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly I wouldn't drink at all if youre trying to induce a bad trip. Drinking while tripping for me usually is kind of like taking a benzo while tripping. Its just chills me out and makes shit less trippy. Unless im on an extreme dose, then I cant even feel the alcohol til the trip fades and by that point Im usually sick as fuck because I didn't notice how drunk I was getting until the trip went away.
Id say take a bunch of dabs as fast as you can while tripping. Im sure that will up the intensity quite a bit. Think about your dead dog or something. or watch insidious
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421208 - 07/07/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: I cant drink too much, dr. Orders. I had surgery to remove my gallbladder when i was 24, i cant eat food high in fat (no bacon lol)
Really? My father got his gallbladder removed and he can definitely still enjoy bacon and he is much older than 24 ha.
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You could always just mix it with good ol' Datura
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I was trying to think of some substance that could be taken with a psychedelic that would catalyze anxiety/fear with out producing much other psychoactive effects...Diphenhydramine and datura both came to mind, but those would bring a lot more to the show than just some potential anxiety/fear .
Something like the opposite of a benzo, or something that could induce the anxiety some people experience during opioid withdrawal. Having a trip with such underlying anxiety wouldn't be a cozy trip what so ever.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: openmind]
#23421320 - 07/07/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Matai said: Eat a sheet and punch a cop. See where the day takes you.
Im still liking this idea more than all of the above! What if you smoke lots of meth then on the comedown then start your trip?
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Your trying to have a bad trip...Darkness helps I would assume
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: LSDollar]
#23421391 - 07/07/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I might try adding a mescaline analogue in a low dose so i get the nausea and not as much effects. Interesting ideas you guys are giving me.
Its not that i cant eat bacon or food with a lot of fat. But if i do im going to the bathroom in about 5-10 minutes.
Wouldnt be able to get dartura so thats out.
Tonight is night 1 for sleep dep. Just smoked all my dabs,and... My parents installed an alarm system, i was thinking a nighttime walk in the woods could be bad trip territory but i can't escape the house without alerting the policeQuote:
mirraco said: Your trying to have a bad trip...Darkness helps I would assume
My usual trips are in complete or almost complete darkness, but sometimes i trip during the day.
Im not trying to break the law and ruin things,i have a history with the local police, in fact my dad wrote a letter to the mayor and chief of police saying they are racist and discriminatory haha (which is true)
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421423 - 07/07/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Get an excuse to get away from the house for a night. Stay at a friends, sneak out, and have a really bad trip with no one to comfort you.
To have a bad trip you need a lot of shrooms. Take more than you know you can handle because you want to fly off that handle. Think of something truly horrific and think of nothing else. Think of things like how you took too many shrooms and murdered your parents and everyone you love. Stuff like that. It's easy to have a bad trip dude. Just have horrible thoughts and things going on in your life.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Thinking about it... You are going to have to do something very drastic to cause a bad trip. Especially when you know you are trying to cause it.
What if you ate a bunch of caffeine pills? That would increase your heart rate alot i think and might speed things up, Might cause you to shake uncontrollably.
The CIA or something allegedly used this song on loop to torture prisoners. I think if you play this for hours it would get very creepy. Have you seen the men who stare at goats? lol
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
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Shame you cant leave the house acctually... Getting lost in the woods at night on shrooms would be scary as fuck. If i wanted a bad time i would take a Ouija board and a bunch of candles way out in the middle of nowhere. Get lost then do some freaky satan shit. Getting lost in the woods on shrooms can be scary as fuck. Just imagine this!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: LRG]
#23421454 - 07/07/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did you read my post on the first page where i mentioned how much psychedelics i have taken before? I think if i took a larger than normal dose id have to eat a gram of crystal lsd or at least a couple oz of really potent shrooms. I dont think size of dose would matter ive seen reports of people having smaller doses and freaking out.
Im also wondering, if lsd shrooms and the like rewire your brain and cause neurogenesis, maybe my high dosing is going to prevent any bad trip from even starting
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421468 - 07/07/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you the guy who ate half a sheet or something and your girlfriend caught on fire on something? And you were in a psych ward for a period of time?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23421487 - 07/07/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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No hahaha thats wearemushroom. I take like 1mg of cid every time i trip practically
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Oh ok.
Honestly if you trip all the time you have to do something big to have a bad trip... What do you think your gonna do?
Im really looking foward to reading your trip report. Should be interesting, ive never heard of anybody doing this before lol!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23421538 - 07/07/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im thinking sleep deprivation will probably help, a lot of times if i trip for a long time (see my lsd + mdma + shrooms and weed) towards the end i get exhausted. Seems like being exhausted in the first place would antagonize that feeling
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421559 - 07/07/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can see this ending up in the psych ward lol
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421583 - 07/07/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seems random to me. I've had the amazing set and setting and had bad trips, and I've had awful set and setting and had good trips. I think a bad set and setting is more likely to induce a bad trip, but it's not a guarantee. Likewise, a good set and setting is no guarantee of a good trip.
Here's some stuff that can cause bad trips though: A major emergency (fire, hospitalization, etc) right as you're coming up. A family member (or cops etc) who you cannot ignore calling/knocking when you're peaking. Someone being a dick to you and either fucking around with you or being mean to you etc.
Aside from stuff like that I don't think there is much consistency other than a good set and setting is more likely to give a good trip than a bad set and setting.
Also, higher doses are more likely to cause bad trips and other bad things in general, but again no guarantees.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: nooneman]
#23421641 - 07/07/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tripped on acid at the hospital one time, took a dose and had complications at my surgery site, it felt like a hand was inside me squeezing my organs. Wasn't bad though just physically uncomfortable
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421656 - 07/07/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Night one of sleep deprivation and my vape pen is out of battery power. Awesome
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421665 - 07/07/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So when is the trip going to take place?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
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Sunday night when i get off work. Ill stop by the gas station on my way home from work and get a couple shots of liquor, since i can't stand the taste. Unfortunately none of my friends are available for me to trip at their house, tried to offer a guy some acid to let me freak out (if i actually do) at his house and he cant :/ lame. During this trip, ill spend the majority of it on the phone texting and being here and playing games. Last time i tripped on shrooms they told me they were happy i can trip and not have electronic distractions. Ill show them whos distracted lol
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421686 - 07/07/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ill be sending some bad vibes your way forsure man!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421699 - 07/07/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: Night one of sleep deprivation and my vape pen is out of battery power. Awesome
That's the fucking worst.
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If you smoke cigarettes you could stop now. The withdrawals while tripping would be true hell!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23421735 - 07/07/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do not smoke tobacco products except the tobacco leaf that i have to smoke when i smoke blunts
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421835 - 07/07/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Y u trippin bro
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Haha. Got 8 hours before work. Movie and boom beach marathon. I gotta think of some negative vibes, ive been talking to a friend for a while and we are both kind of thinking that we cant have a bad trip. I give into thw experience, just give my all to the drug. Maybe if i say fuck you drugs im in control?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23421907 - 07/07/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cant do that. That's like saying your gonna hide something from yourself bro. You know exactly where it's at so its pointless
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Get a friend to punch you in the face while you're coming up? Someone tried to hold up me and my friend once with a gun one night when we were tripping on acid. The rest of the night was pretty shitty haha.
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Someone tried? How can you try to hold someone up with a gun? I expect a full report on my desk by sun up.
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SyzygisticSoul said: Cant do that. That's like saying your gonna hide something from yourself bro. You know exactly where it's at so its pointless
Yeah bro i am grasping at air here trying to negative myself
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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We were walking late at night through a park, a guy comes at us from a bush or something it happened really fast haha. Well my friend is pretty tall but he pulled the barrel of the gun away and butted the guy in the face with it. It all happened within 3 seconds. Then we ran our asses off to our friends place.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
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Guy tried to rob someone i know with a gun, the guy i knew grabbed the guys gun (my dude was driving) twisted thw gunmans arm around and floored it lol still holding onto the gunman
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Scary shit man
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23422010 - 07/08/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah i don't go around east st louis if i can help it
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Not trying to back out or anything, just since i was not sleeping figured id talk to some people.
I have been talking to a friend who trips like me. We are thinking this experiment is not going to work for a few reasons. 1. I give myself to the drugs immediately i dont try to fight. B. I have no negatives, even if it is a negative thought, i can rationalize it to become positive. §. I have been tripping for a long time. Perhaps i have hardwired my brain through neurogenesis and it is actually physically impossible. Lets see, what lettumber are we on? ¤. I have no fear of death. I cycle theough samsara, and its beautiful. I see people cycle through samsara and they're scared μ. (Holy shit i have a microgram symbol) 0. I communicate with the drugs before after and during the trip. How can i have a bad trip if i feel the soul of the drug? q. I have watched movies about cannibalism, hack and slash murder, creepy shit, war movies, etc and im fine watching them while tripping.
Just some thoughts.
Im still doing it syzergicsoul lol and we will see what happens. Im thinking ill have a few starts to going bad then will right the ship quickly. Im hoping i can come out of the trip with useful information to help others who have experienced/are experiencing or will experience a bad trip and will help them to free their mind. Still awake. Ill probably drink some coffee tomorrow night, and Saturday night to keep me up
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#23422112 - 07/08/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I noticed you were a little ticked off about your vape battery dying earlier.. maybe right before you peak you should smash it on the floor and see how ya feel
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23422122 - 07/08/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I still smoked out of it, the plastic part melted but i fixed it so it still works and i high as a kite right now
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23422137 - 07/08/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You will try set your self up for the worst trip but instead you will probably have the most amazing experience ever...
If you want a bad trip youl probably have to put your self in a bit situation. A friend of mine ate a decent amount of shrooms one night and we were walking through town and he had warrents out. Right as they were kicking the cops seen him and arrested him... I cannot even imagine...
You need to do this If you want a bad trip probably. Well not this but some sort of bad situation!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23422144 - 07/08/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're in luck mike, I do have this one idea, but we're gonna have to get you hooked on meth first.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23422146 - 07/08/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know im bummed. Im hoping i can pull it off. I got an idea. I could tell my folks i was gonna stay at a buddies house, and then after work just wander around town and eat my doses on the bike trail, no house no anything, fully exposed. Maybe get on the bus and just take it to some random stop, then in the morning find my way back home
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23422148 - 07/08/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Get lost! Go out into the middle of nowhere. Do you have a car?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23422150 - 07/08/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did speed plus acid and all it did was turn my visuals into freddy kruger like hands and vampire faces and dragon claws trying to grab me. So bizarre that they did that, but really neat looking. God i hate my positive outlook lmao
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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I do not own a car, i need to buy one asap
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23422153 - 07/08/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I said hooked, the withdrawals are what I'm after here lol
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Ahaha. Gotcha.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Mike4aco said: Not trying to back out or anything, just since i was not sleeping figured id talk to some people.
I have been talking to a friend who trips like me. We are thinking this experiment is not going to work for a few reasons. 1. I give myself to the drugs immediately i dont try to fight. B. I have no negatives, even if it is a negative thought, i can rationalize it to become positive. §. I have been tripping for a long time. Perhaps i have hardwired my brain through neurogenesis and it is actually physically impossible. Lets see, what lettumber are we on? ¤. I have no fear of death. I cycle theough samsara, and its beautiful. I see people cycle through samsara and they're scared μ. (Holy shit i have a microgram symbol) 0. I communicate with the drugs before after and during the trip. How can i have a bad trip if i feel the soul of the drug? q. I have watched movies about cannibalism, hack and slash murder, creepy shit, war movies, etc and im fine watching them while tripping.
Just some thoughts.
Im still doing it syzergicsoul lol and we will see what happens. Im thinking ill have a few starts to going bad then will right the ship quickly. Im hoping i can come out of the trip with useful information to help others who have experienced/are experiencing or will experience a bad trip and will help them to free their mind. Still awake. Ill probably drink some coffee tomorrow night, and Saturday night to keep me up
It absolutely possible if you take a bad combination. Ive already posted LSD + jimson weed but i realize that might be too fucked up.
LSD + amphetamine(adderall) is also pretty bad LSD + Meth is horrible LSD + high doses of caffeine will also instantly send you into a bad trip
high doses of caffeine im talking 300 - 700 mg or more if you have a huge tolerance
Pretty much any drug that induces anxiety will produce a bad trip if combined with LSD
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Yeah i wouldnt be able to get jimson weed... But i could get a caffeine supplement, that sounds like a good idea actually. Like 3 5 hour energies and drink them real fast lol or some caffeine pills. I will have to look into it and see what dose would work best to give me anxiety and force this bad trip on myself. Thanks for the negative ideas, its kinda interesting to see how much help im getting! First and foremost i want to make sure that i dont do any deadly kind of combination, and i dont wanna have to get different stuff (maybe if all i need is an amp i should take doc or doi or dob lol) that i dont have already, just to make it easier, dont wanna be making a one time drug purchase for something im not too familiar with, just safety. Anyway, ill stay awake on it and think.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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I don't know. Ive smoked meth on 25i-nbome and had a pretty nice trip. And 25i-nbome is the most anxious psychedelic Ive ever tried, no matter what dose. Its just its nature. Now it did make me act crazy and possibly made people around me have a bad time but Meth with the most anxious psychedelic I can think of didn't do anything except make me trip a lot harder and stimulate the fuck out of me to the point where I was jumping around like a monkey for hours.
Im not saying it couldn't work for you though. Cause everyones different. Honestly you may need to actually try combining a few of the more overall anxiety driven psychedelics. That also may not be a good idea though because 25i-nbome is dangerous. Its the only nbome compound I probably wouldn't try again even though they are all dangerous purely because it makes me soooo anxious and also the body load is just a headache that feels like you've been kicked in the head by an elephant. In my experience 2c-e is awesome but it and 25i-nbome are the 2 psychedelics Ive seen people have bad trips on the most. Shrooms would come next I think but I think that's only because they very in potency and people tend to take doses they cant handle thinking it wil be much more mild
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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Mike4aco said: Yeah i wouldnt be able to get jimson weed... But i could get a caffeine supplement, that sounds like a good idea actually. Like 3 5 hour energies and drink them real fast lol or some caffeine pills. I will have to look into it and see what dose would work best to give me anxiety and force this bad trip on myself. Thanks for the negative ideas, its kinda interesting to see how much help im getting! First and foremost i want to make sure that i dont do any deadly kind of combination, and i dont wanna have to get different stuff (maybe if all i need is an amp i should take doc or doi or dob lol) that i dont have already, just to make it easier, dont wanna be making a one time drug purchase for something im not too familiar with, just safety. Anyway, ill stay awake on it and think.
Try out how much caffeine you have to take until it feels uncomfortable and then double that dose. Wait 3 - 4 days for your caffeine tolerance to go down before trying the combination. Bonus points if you do this while sleep deprived for maximum delirium
It also doesnt necessarily have to be jimson weed. It can be anything that contains atropine, scopolamine or hyoscyamine really. Problem is that all three are pretty deadly if you cant dose precisely. They are the safest bet tho for having a bad trip
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Also I wouldn't consider powdered HBWR seeds (not extracted) to be a bad trip in the classic sense but they are very unpleasant physically while tripping. LSA on its own is great. LSA not extracted from the seeds with the cyanide still in them is horrible feeling but still not mentally bad in any way. Add cigs to the mix If you want to feel even more poisoned.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: trvptamine]
#23422403 - 07/08/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drink some ipicac as you're peaking on a high dose of lsd/mushrooms. Also eat some spicy peppers beforehand... that should send anyone to a negative place haha.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23422415 - 07/08/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If i remember correctly LSD also acts as a pain killer so eating the peppers wont do much
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I dunno man, profusely vomiting hot pepper bile would suck in any state of mind haha.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23422467 - 07/08/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well its not that bad if you cant feel the burn from the pepper
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True, you may be right about lsd killing pain. I've always been able to feel pain or have overly sensitive taste buds while tripping on it. I've cut myself pretty bad on it once and it actually felt way more painful than if I was sober... I love eating during the come down, just light snacking on fruit or something.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23422511 - 07/08/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe im wrong ...
Only one way to find out
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Haha time to test this out. I could see it distracting your thoughts from injuries until you pay attention to it again. I took mushrooms with a broken wrist and it really helped me not notice the pain or cast until I knocked it against something or moved it a certain way.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23422552 - 07/08/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Night one of sleep deprivation is done.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23422557 - 07/08/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should fast the day before tripping too.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23422648 - 07/08/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I usually fast anyway but starvation fasting could be in order
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23422659 - 07/08/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea, just drink water the day before your trip and nothing with flavor or sustenance haha.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23422692 - 07/08/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi Mike! As someone who has had a couple of pretty 'full on' bad trips I don't know why anyone would want to experience one. It can leave you never the same after and that can be good or bad, it's all personal but for me it was 'extreme mental anguish and pain'. Why anybody would want to subject themselves to hours of mental torture I don't know. I know how you are though so I'm not here to tell you don't do it.. just I look forward to your trip report as always and stay safe.  
TBH I don't think you can have one, I don't think you will be able to induce one no matter what. It's just 'you' and there's nothing else I can add to defend that. Yeah anyway, trip report! And stay safe so I can read more!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23422696 - 07/08/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: A few days ago, i tried ayahuasca, which contained a few extra chemicals (rue/caapi, dpt, nn dmt, shrooms, 5meo dmt, DiPT)
I had a wonderful time. My friend E, stated that he felt a little anxiety (i was really chilled, reclined and seemed really calm to him, he thought at first he was supposed to be calm like me, then eventually eased into his trip and had a great time (almost took a trip killer [haloperidol] but decided to wait) he was really glad he didnt take it as he had a great time after his peak.
So my question is, what makes a bad trip?
Ive had plenty of trips in very high doses, some of which some of you guys are calling insanely high, and ones some people wouldn't get close to.
How can i have a bad trip? I feel like every one of my trips are very positive and uplifting, then i read a horror story here and there about having a bad trip.
Please dont take me the wrong way. I sincerely wish to experience EVERY side of psychedelics. I WANT to experience a bad trip. Maybe if i do, i could figure out somethings to help others not experience a bad trip.
What do i need to do to experience the dark side of psychedelics?
So you want a Bad Trip? Interesting concept, As we all Know Set & Setting has Alot to do with the Flow of a Trip. My worst Trip Id have to say is being in a place like the Mall, Go sit in the Cafe Area during a Rush of people, I.E. Lunch, Dinner Rush & the Sensory Overload with Machines & people All talking @ Once, This becomes Confusing and almost a Madding Experience. 
Also yeah having a negative outlook on Life. Loosing a loved one really hasnt sent me into a bad trip considering, in the Last Year I've attended 2 funerals, One being My Mother & My Grandfather" which I actually Dosed for his Funeral" was Beautiful.
This is an interesting experiment, Id really like to see how you achieve this and what your personal experience is from this. Keep Us Posted!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: superbob57]
#23422785 - 07/08/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bro this is gonna backfire on you miserably. All these preparations (sleep dep, starvation, enforced agitation) and mood altering affects you're trying to bring to the table before and during your trip, is only going to make the trip that much better. It sounds much like a shamans preparation to a truly blissful and euphoric trip. The more you're giving to the trip, the more it will love you back. It's our psyche bro, at this state in your life, a bad trip can not be self induced. I promise you.
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What if we let him take everything and then bury him alive in a coffin for as long as the air will last? Then dig him up before he runs out air.
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i have extreme anxiety. i have not even ever been able to trip, i take it slow because i know i will have a bad trip if i don't get myself used to it. every now and then i take a shroom or two for a little high and seriously even at those low dosages i can start to have a panic attack. it always feels nice to me but sometimes it's to much for me. i am a person that is very used to concentrating on things and when i take them i have such a rush of thoughts and feelings in me that i feel overwhelmed and that overwhelming feeling scares me because i need to be aware and make the right decisions. i guess what i really need is a place to seriously relax like out camping.
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Interesting thoughts guys.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23423026 - 07/08/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gonna try to make a list of negativity
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: superbob57]
#23424168 - 07/08/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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TBH you prolly can't have a bad trip in your current state. The times my trips have went south it's always been because of external events and stressors. Maybe if you destroy all your family ties, be terrible to your friends, quit your job(s) on terrible terms so that you can't use them as references, and then make sure you have about $3.50 in your bank account, then you'll probably have a bad trip. You'll probably be miserable outside of any chemically induced trip too though.
I agree with SyzygisticSoul. You're going to put all this effort into the trip, and then it's going to be even better. It could put you so deep in though that you realize something that you couldn't even on your megadoses before though... I guess.
Bad trips happen when you have to work through something that you've been putting off dealing with. It seems that with all your use everything in your pysche should have been put on the table already. If you haven't been repressing anything, what could even get you down during a trip?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: logikal]
#23424668 - 07/08/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try to eat 7 grams and go bungee jumping. That should terrify you enough to go deep south in your mind.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: 7munkee]
#23425206 - 07/08/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i toom about 600-1000 mg of caffeine today i feel like shit lol cant sleep tired as fuck. And i have my negative mindset
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23425779 - 07/09/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This was day two of complete sleep deprivation. Didnt even need to stay on the phone all night, i took so much caffeine earlier i absolutely could not sleep. I feel miserable right now. Im starting to go into a negative mindset, i actually have some reasons to think negative, and they are big reasons. I will focus on that all day. Im gonna move the trip to tonight, hadn't gotten much sleep since before i started the sleep deprivation, so this should be interesting. And the lsd will stimulate me just enough so i cant sleep tonight. I think i have 20 doses left. I might go all out and just eat half. That would be 3 milligrams maybe not dose this high with work, but it might be a bad idea, which is what im looking for. and then to dose with a low dose of something like proscaline which has a heavy body load. Im hoping the low dose will give me a heavy body load and not much effects, so while tripping i would associate it with the lsd (if i remember i took it) unfortunately i have a really secure connection, so i will never feel the "did i get nbomed?" that i read about. The anxiety would probably trigger bad things. Ill make a list of some negatives (my mom told me last night that she wished she could have seen her dad before he died, but it was my fault for being completely untrustworthy that they didnt go and he died without her being able to see him for the last time, how much more of an asshole feeling can you get... Because of me, my moms last memory of her dad was like 5 years ago)
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23425782 - 07/09/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gonna take about 500 mg caffeine a few houra before i get off work. Dont need any interactions with the psychs, but it made me feel uncomfortably racy and i could feel my blood moving and it was just uncomfortable
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427003 - 07/09/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Idk what else to do,ill think of other ideas later cause i owe you a lot
Ok im so frusterated and mad and lost right now
Me to my weed guy. I got this. Gonna bad trip tonight
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco] 1
#23427032 - 07/09/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you went out for a drive it would put you into a bad trip. All the horrible drivers and all. People driving to slow, not indicating correctly, not going when they could have. All this would send me into hysteria!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23427090 - 07/09/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont have a car. Locked in the house. I caused my mom to miss being with her dad before he died. I caused my dad to not be able to visit his family for 5 years cause im untrustworthy and a drug addict (i can justify everything but humor me, i want to only see the negative tonight) i a lazy deadend kinda guy, still living in his parents basement
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427095 - 07/09/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What time are you dosing? will you be on here at all?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23427113 - 07/09/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Last times i have dosed, the drugs have said "please stay off your phone and pay attention to us, you listen so well"
So i will try to be online the whole time. Its 535 now, i will dose around 1030
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427182 - 07/09/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well i hope you have a miserable time you miserable bastard!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23427468 - 07/09/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Im feeling it. I hope so too
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427598 - 07/09/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are you taking. I think you should dose mushrooms instead of L. We both now you and I can't ever have a bad time on L. I feel that shrooms are all more unforgiving.
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About to dose. Some guy onanother forum is asking me to mail him some shit and also asking about an od dose of dartura, because he is actually trying to kill himself what the fuckkkk
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427884 - 07/09/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a mushroom experience where I had to relive watching 3 guys 1 hammer ( a snuff film) in my mind so maybe just watch something horrible the night before doing it? Something that makes you lose your faith in humanity.
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Ive lost my faith i feel like such a shithead right now a mooch that never has money a leech that sucks the well being out of people that deserve it.
Just took 1.5 mg lsd, wondering if i shoukd take more. Gonna take either dpt or proscaline and a few shrooms in a bit. These drugs are nothing they wont do shit they are less than me cause i am in control of them
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427894 - 07/09/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dang man 1.5 mg lol
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Such a negative headspace right now and i was having visual distortion earlier at work cause of the sleep deprivation. All i wanna do is sleep
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427921 - 07/09/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I might try to get some rest, im freezing lol so cold in the house, uncomfortable. When are you gonna move? Wellllll i owe my weed guy 7000....... Soooo..... I totally should have a car, ive destroyed several up to this point. I had a thought at work. Does the seed of a tree, which contains all the genetic info for the tree, does that contain a new life, a new tree? Where does the seed stop being a seed and become a living thing? Or is it always a living thing? Does the seed think like a tree or is seed thought different then tree thought?
Im feeling rather dark and pitiful and depressed. Hopefully the lsd will exacerbate it. I hear an uncomfortable buzzing sound
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23427965 - 07/09/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Holy fuck that is creepy as hell
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23427967 - 07/09/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your welcome
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23427982 - 07/09/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That poor guy needs a cough drop. Im tripping balls and my phone ia blowing up off the hook
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428003 - 07/09/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wtf
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428277 - 07/10/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i tried my hardest damn it
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428279 - 07/10/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How you getin on
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428299 - 07/10/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont think ita gonna work
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428300 - 07/10/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Me and syzergicsoul are gonna have a mountn of text to descramble
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428301 - 07/10/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You having a good time there Murray?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428306 - 07/10/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That thing is married too, rainman you see his wedding band?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428308 - 07/10/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a scrambled time for a while. Will have to shuffle thinga a bit
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428312 - 07/10/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And post a report. Interesting
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428314 - 07/10/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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wedding band?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428315 - 07/10/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha i got lost man who is driving this bus fuck
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428317 - 07/10/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That creepyface you posted rainman it ruined the next like hour or so of my life. I couldnt open my eyes
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428319 - 07/10/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So are you having a life evaluating trip or what?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428342 - 07/10/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah this is absolutely amazing. The first couple hours tho sweet baby jesus send me Zeus! Send me baby bhudda too man send me evwrything and a big version of evwrything and a baby version too just in case but we will need tbwm all cause shit is hitting thw fan
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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The first couple hours tho were exactly what i was looking for. Sheer terror. Panicky loops thinking i was mad everything else sane
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428345 - 07/10/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your makin me want to trip. Too bad im sick! Me tripping on acid is out of the question for me though. $40 for something that may or may not be a real hit of lsd. No thanks!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428348 - 07/10/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I work today too bummer. I have the genesis seed of a trip report. I wanted to express myself in a trip so utterly terrifying and success! Now to pick up the pieces and put them back
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428351 - 07/10/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The fear of the unknown. That is the most beautiful part of psychedelics, it's a mental endurance test, and once you break through to the other side of paranoid to tripping it's like you're born again.
The great thing is, it's never too late enlighten your mind, you are never too old to be born again whether it be baptism by fire or just a nice mellow lucy experience.
Tripping levels the playing field of life, and gives you a new outlook on otherwise mechanical functions of life like work / school / dating.
Hope you enjoy
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: c1dh3d]
#23428355 - 07/10/16 03:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got the fear of the unknown on thia trip. I was searching all of arizona fforone pillar of salt and only one in particular
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428376 - 07/10/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is what I am saying, no job or lifestyle choice defines us once or mind has been released of the mental barrier we've been fed our entire lives.
It's terrifying and beautiful, some people can't handle it, they need their projected self image and without it they cry like a new born.
I'm not some kind of tripping bad ass, but I know who I am, and I have very little ego left for psychedelics to destroy.
I only have one short life to live, and I'm not going to sell it a dollar an hour to a job I hate, or fake ass laugh at peoples jokes that I hate.
Bad tripping is your life, it's looking at yourself and your relationships with shame, and not doing shit about it.
You are the only one who will ever stand by you, so love yourself, because noone else will when the chips are down.
Be a good person, keep a clear conscience, and there won't be such a thing as a bad trip.
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#23428385 - 07/10/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the vibe i got, even after planning this. Bro i planned. This for like 2 monthsbefore posting it, posted it a. Week or so before trying really hard really. Really. Hard. To have a bad trip, and i barely did cause as soon as it went south i fixed it
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428456 - 07/10/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tried to trip yesterday. Took a nice 80mg dose of 4-HO-MET on an empty stomach and ended up having no effects. Fuckin pissed.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
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Whaat? That sounds like it totally should have done something. Did you get any feel of it at all? Like your body proccessing it
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428468 - 07/10/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My pupils became dilated at around 6 hours after taking it, which if it worked, should have already been worn off by that point so that was really bizaar. Didn't get any visual changes at all. Ended up with a splitting headache a couple hours after my pupils dilated. I took a 30mg dose from the same batch two weeks ago and tripped fine off of that.
Only other thing in my system was some norcos. Could that have blocked it? I was 8+ hours without food when I took the 4-ho-met.
I think I've had more failed trips than effective ones. Its really aggravating. Since I didn't actually trip this time, does it still increase the tolerance or what?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428471 - 07/10/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Been following this thread since you started it Mike. I can't contribute much to it really. It's very strange you've never ever had one in your life. Is that right Mike?
I had a bad trip on LSD on my first go because I took 3 hits and I couldn't handle the intensity. Feeling like you're going insane and seeing your trip sitter turn into satan is some fucked up shit to deal with. I consider that to be borderline traumatic had I have let it go on for 12 hours.....
But my fault for taking 3 hits of strong acid when inexperienced. All trips since then have been very insightful and memorable on LSD.
Never had a bad trip on shrooms. I've seen, felt and thought negative things like death on shrooms but that's it.
Bad trips I'd say are primarily down to inexperience of tripping and going in with a mindset that's anxious and tense. People that try and control the trip are the sort of people to have a bad trip.
You don't fit the bill now you're full of experience and are very relaxed going into your trips. I remember reading that on some of your posts about your mindset prior is like "OK I'm going to trip now" and that's the extent of your thought process. Relaxed.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: YeOlde]
#23428489 - 07/10/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I totally get your thought process there. Seeing someone else relate to me what i post is different. Like yeah. I just do it no thought needed. But i dont see that, i see the prep that i do, which now a days isnt much.
Gpryder you will increase tolerance if you dosed even if it doesnt actually do any thing at all. Thats weird though 6 hours into and pupils huge haha Thats odd
I did start offwith going quite south i had a yearning for thetaste of salt (ghb has a salty taste) i was in a bad mindset for once and probably within 45 minutes of taking the acid i did NOT KNOW i had taken acid. Syzergicsoul and i exchanged probably 200+ garbled messages about 50 of which i said What the fuck Wait did i take something Yes i did i took lsd i took something called lsd.
I am on a drug I am a drug. I am on a drug. And so on. Im waiting to unscramble my thoughts as i want to have a deep coherent teip report for you guys
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23429674 - 07/10/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think for the classical kind of purely psychological "bad trip", where outside of your own mind there is nothing whatsoever the matter, you want a combination of:
1) A lot of anxiety. You are worried about everything. It's a miracle your body is still functioning. Your heart could stop at any moment, if the allergic reaction you are pretty sure is happening doesn't get you first. Those are definitely not the right kind of shrooms, you have probably poisoned yourself. Everything about your body just feels wrong, which isn't helped by
2) the fucking intensity of this fucking trip. You just can't stand it. It's like the pressure inside your head is just going to keep building and building, and you can feel something horrible coming out of the trip, because you are starting to get
3) really powerful paranoid delusions. You can feel the wrath of God on one side, and on the other you did a really bad thing breaking reality and letting them find you, you can feel terrible, malevolent beings drawing you further into the trip, and now you are getting
4) a horrible feeling of imminent death, a doom-laden vortex of unimaginable horror which isn't made any better by
5) the massive panic attacks you have been having for the last 10 minutes.......
That would be a typical bad trip for me, although with a reasonable amount of experience you can learn to deal with the anxiety, learn not to fight the intensity, learn not to fear death, and avoid the resulting panic attacks.
Which mainly leaves the paranoid delusions. Do you get really sinister trips with a vibe of global annihilation and alien enslavement by super-beings from other dimensions who have created a labyrinthine system of artificial reality to mess with our heads? I mean that at least gives you the general vibe of a bad trip, even if you actually enjoy it - just imagine you were anxious and panicking at the same time while being torn apart by the ferocious intensity of the mindfuck as the whole thing descends into some kind of elaborate death-trip.
I think the movie Banshee Chapter captures the delusional, this-is-all-going-horribly-wrong-and-I'm going-to-die mood quite well
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Aldebaran]
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Yeah that'll do it
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Remember that movie Altered States? The scene where they're making the psychedelic brew and they cut they guy's hand open, they slice the skin between his thumb and his index finger. They make him bleed into the thing... and then he's on one of his mind blowing trips and he's having zaps of fiery pain. Later on it's like it never happened. I first saw that movie tripping and wasn't buying that. They should have left out the hand cutting. If that happened to me I'd be crying, I'd freak out and it would be the worst night of my life.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Universe]
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Ive never seen altered states. Im gonna take a recovery nap (basically went into work still tripping hard core.
I had a strong déjà vu moment though. Just a teaser i guess.
On my break at work, i took a pretty heavy nap, and went into this room with colorful glowy things on the wall, thick white fog, and another me sitting on a bed in the middle of the room.
Last night i had a visual of me lying down at work qnd felt it was somehow important to the trip.
Déjà vu. Which i will explain later
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23430825 - 07/10/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Classic Mike; Build suspense with teaser comment, then honey dicks the audience lmao I'm glad I already have the inside scoop.
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I've just found an old post of mine on this topic, a slightly more serious answer to the question:
Can anyone elaborate on this hell people can experience?
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The room fills up with a sense of doom, as though some great, hostile power is waiting just beyond the boundaries of the trip as reality falls apart.
That's the spirit!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Aldebaran]
#23432553 - 07/11/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find that weed or hash with LSD turns the trip into a frightening spiritual experience. Kind of like what this guy said:Quote:
Aldebaran said: I think for the classical kind of purely psychological "bad trip", where outside of your own mind there is nothing whatsoever the matter, you want a combination of:
1) A lot of anxiety. You are worried about everything. It's a miracle your body is still functioning. Your heart could stop at any moment, if the allergic reaction you are pretty sure is happening doesn't get you first. Those are definitely not the right kind of shrooms, you have probably poisoned yourself. Everything about your body just feels wrong, which isn't helped by
2) the fucking intensity of this fucking trip. You just can't stand it. It's like the pressure inside your head is just going to keep building and building, and you can feel something horrible coming out of the trip, because you are starting to get
3) really powerful paranoid delusions. You can feel the wrath of God on one side, and on the other you did a really bad thing breaking reality and letting them find you, you can feel terrible, malevolent beings drawing you further into the trip, and now you are getting
4) a horrible feeling of imminent death, a doom-laden vortex of unimaginable horror which isn't made any better by
5) the massive panic attacks you have been having for the last 10 minutes.......
That would be a typical bad trip for me, although with a reasonable amount of experience you can learn to deal with the anxiety, learn not to fight the intensity, learn not to fear death, and avoid the resulting panic attacks.
Which mainly leaves the paranoid delusions. Do you get really sinister trips with a vibe of global annihilation and alien enslavement by super-beings from other dimensions who have created a labyrinthine system of artificial reality to mess with our heads? I mean that at least gives you the general vibe of a bad trip, even if you actually enjoy it - just imagine you were anxious and panicking at the same time while being torn apart by the ferocious intensity of the mindfuck as the whole thing descends into some kind of elaborate death-trip.
I think the movie Banshee Chapter captures the delusional, this-is-all-going-horribly-wrong-and-I'm going-to-die mood quite well 
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23432645 - 07/11/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Work in progress. When finished it will probably be very long.
So i attempted to put myself into a bad mindstate and force a bad or negative trip on myself. The intended reason was to go back when finished and see what i did to right the ship as it were.
I forced some dark thoughts in my head, forced myself to confront some helpless feelings i was having. The bad experience actually didnt happen until thw next day, and it almost had me never wanting to trip again. Almost.
I thought heavily about how helpless i was in some circumstances. At around 10:30 pm. I took 5 300 mic hits of lsd and put them in my mouth. I took a shower and preoccupied myself with cleaning and looking at some rc i had.
By 11, i had completely forgotten that i had taken anything. I had swallowed the tabs, decided not to take some rc, and as i has spent almost a full week sleep depriving myself, i got so tired and just went to bed. Around 11:15-11:20 i got a text from a friend asking me how i was doing.
Around this time, rainman posted a very very very creepy pic here. Totally ruined the next half hour or so for me.
I was beginning to notice it was getting hard to see, but foe some reason could not for the life of me remember why. I cleaned my glasses, rubbed my eyes, got 3-4 blankets cause i was freezing cold. And made the mistake of looking at rainmans reply to a post someone made on shroomery. (Someone being me but i couldn't remember who at the time) this creepy face got really huge and bubbly and started stretching like it was going to reach out and grab me, which i just couldnt cause the picture was alive for some reason.
Everything around me disintegrated. But in about a span of 5 seconds. When it melted, i found myself standing alone, on the side of a one lane highway. There was a big blue bus parked next to me. A small diner with a glass roof, green and blue trim, and white lights was close by. Sand was the only thing i could see, and it was night time. I was alone. I didnt know how i had gotten there, what was going on. The only thing i knew, was that there at some point had been a man driving the bus, and about 6-8 people i knew who had been riding the bus with me. We had stopped at the diner, because i needed salt. Everyone else was gone though. I wandered around for a few minutes before entering the diner and asking for salt, which they did not have. I wandered back out looking for my friends and to see who was driving. My buddy texted me back, and it snapped me out of the desert into my room. He asked how i was doing again, and i said i was hopelessly lost. Where the fuck are you? Whos driving the bus, where is the salt, and who is driving, we have to leavez there is a creepy face out there (somewhere in the desert i thought) and i dont want to be stuck here when creepyface geta back.
My friend had no clue what i was saying, and did the best thing that a non tripping person could do during a freak out.
He said Mike. Youre on a drug. Everything will be ok. Just go with it. What bus, what driver? I asked him what drug? I didnt take anything, im lost in the desert and need to find this salt.
You are on lsd. It is powerful but you can handle it.
Whos on lsd? You are mike. Just tell me what you see.
Me? Im on lsd? Since when?
Since 1030.
I explained to him the situation, and realized that not only was i outside wandering the desert, i was in the really melty room. I began to look for salt while in my room.
At this point, im maybe half an hour from the peak. The effects are increasing and getting stronger. And im just losing it completely.
I return to the desert, and i see the diner, but from a different angle.
Please note: i experienced three seperate realms while tripping. If i say i was at the diner, the other two stopped existing, and all i knew or had known was that scene there. If i was in the room in my basement, that was all i knew. If i saw the "other realm" that was all. And it encompassed the other two scenes, as well as everything else that could possibly exist. For the most part i used my phone but was unaware of it. When i finally calmed down, i had about 7 hours worth of texting i didnt know i sent.
I wandered around and went back into the diner, asking for salt. The couple people inside were getting annoyed and asked why i needed it, which i could not remember why. All i knew was i needed salt. After going outside, and wandering around i came to a black pool in the sand, and fell in by accident. I "fell out" into my room, everything swirling and a white haze now spreading out.
No recollection of how i got to the room, just again the craving for salt, and a message from my friend asking what was up. Apparently, when i went to the "desert" i was still using my phone but unaware of it.
I saw a message from my friend and asked him what was going on. He said
You're on acid. You took lsd.
Lsd? Whats that?
A very strong drug. Just ride it out.
Im on lsd. Im on lsd. Wait! Im on lsd. I took it around 1030, and now i have to find this salt i lost!
Why do you want salt? Are you hungry?
No i just need this salt.
I was going through my drug stash, and then i found an envelope with a white paste inside. The outside of the envelope said 4aco det ghb
At this point im still getting higher. Im forgetting that im tripping or anything. But... I just found my salt.
I was nervous about eating the salt because part of my mind saw the other label and was trying desperately to remember why.
I told my friend i found my salt, but couldnt remember what 4aco det or ghb tasted like.
Well. If it tastes like salt, i THINK ill be ok (note:ghb tastes incredibly salty. I knew this and was trying to remember, my tripping mind told me to check everything out first. After smelling and checking it out, i determined it was safe [was gonna try a haloperidol, but i remember what it did to my dad so I wasnt sure that was the best bet. Also the ghb was in a location all by itself because i set it aside for emergency use only, which was why it was hard to find)
I began to scoop out the salty ghb, very very slowly qnd carefully eating it. I ate 2 grams over the course of about 6 hours.
About 15 minutes after eating a couple small chunks, i had that first eureka moment.
I texted my friend
Ghb is salty
Is it i dont know.
No. My salt i found it. It wasnt in the diner. It was ghb.
Now, im partially in my room and partially in tbe desert, i could see each part clearly and exist in both spots. Ive never experienced that and it was incredibly overwhelming.
Ghb can be used to help a trip going wrong, this was my first time using anything like it to help a trip.
Even after the ghb, my texts to my friend were garbled and a loop of
Its too much i cant see Whats wrong? What happened to me? I cant see with my eyes Im cold Wait i took lsd Whats happening its too much I cant see I took lsd? Its too much
Etc. He did the one thing a person should do when having a bad trip, he just calmly reminded me that i was on lsd, he asked me to explain what was happening. He never tried to take control, just putting subtle hints out there about things that would keep me grounded in this reality.
The entire loop up until this point was maybe 45 minutes.
While standing outside the diner, i could hear creepyface in the background of the desert somewhere, and got scared that this thing full of negativity and evil scariness was going to find me, and id never return. I waited by the blue bus for what seemed like forever trying to see where my friends were and wondering who had come with me in the first place. A fog started rolling in and multicolored lights lit the ground. The sky stayed pitch black however.
The part of me that existed in my room was experiencing a white multicolored fog as well. Soon, in both places i began to see the colors form bubbles.
I referred to what happened next as "the boom" my friend had no clue what i was talking about, but apparently i referred to this "boom" numerous times: How long since the boom? Where were you when it boomed? Its too much since the boom. I don't know I was just standing here and then boom colors and lines and colors and lines.
Imagine that someone just blew millions of soap bubbles at you. Instead of popping, they stay there, bouncing off each other. Instead of reflecting normally (reflecting what is on the outside of the bubble) each bubble had a different reflection. In one, i saw myself in the desert. In one i saw myself in my room, and so on. When things "boomed" these small pulsating bubbles got really tiny, inhaled (drew closer together) and then exhaled by pushing apart and swelling up. The bubbles seemed to be all of existence, including seperate timelines, alternate universes, and entire cosmos fitted inside balls roughly the size of handballs. However, i got the distinct feeling that i was a completely detatched entity. Like i was just an observer of these forma of reality and that i was not part of them at all.
I began to text my friend, and when i did at this point. The next 2-3 hours were all my hands on autopilot, i did not see my phone or anything. I did not exist as myself, i did not exist period.
I said I feel like a paragraph. I am just words now, conveying the meanings of existence. I am everything. I am nothing. I am all that was, is now, and will come.
As I was experiencing this, i was going in and out of these colored bubbles trying to find the original one. Each bubble was a different memory from different versions of this universe. I will post a seperate thread about just this part. I couldnt see anything when i had my eyes open, there was just way too much stuff and movement and i couldn't see my body, so where was i looking from? Somehow i held up my arm but i couldn't see it at all. I texted my friend, what are fingers if at the subatomic level they don't exist?
Nothing in the room existed, i was completely overwhelmed by visuals, i could close my eyes and see behind me and above and below me, i could see around the corner and up the stairs, i could see outside of the house, at work, at places i hadnt been yet, places I had been before. People i knew and didnt know and hadn't met yet interacted with me. I saw multiples of different memories, each one slightly different. I saw myself at work and felt myself wake up from a nap and then start working, after hearing voices which woke me up. I began to look around the visuals because i always see a snake, but i didnt see it this time, which was scary because its always with me on trips and this time im not sure where when what who why how anything and it wasn't there to protect me or whatever. I began to have this feeling that i was the snake, Quetzalcoatl and i was experiencing existence as it for a while. I began to shift around the balls of light trying desperately to find where i had come from, what was going on please let me see anything familiar.
I got the sensation that i was the paragraphs and sentences that were being written, and that something was taking notes. I then realized that there was a song being played Ommanipadmehum om mani padme hum, and other various notes. The song instead of being words, sounded like vibrations.
Like if i as Brahman would rearrange the bubbles a certain way a certain sound would happen. If i arranged it differently it would make a different sound. Each difference in sound would cause a wave or a ripple to begin from somewhere within the bubbles, and as it radiated, the bubbles would shimmer and their contents would change slightly
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
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One of the realms I get trapped in on a bad trip is a stormy beach all alone. So weird. Once I started blindly sending texts of random shit like this when I was trying to get out:
kdkfja yo man Bow ties in storms! no my bad you're the one trippin eh where all Help!! I got that hundo for you adforever storms No bow ties seriously
Haha I still have no idea why I was so against bow ties at the time.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23432694 - 07/11/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i found myself standing alone, on the side of a one lane highway. There was a big blue bus parked next to me. A small diner with a glass roof, green and blue trim, and white lights was close by. Sand was the only thing i could see, and it was night time. I was alone. I didnt know how i had gotten there, what was going on. The only thing i knew, was that there at some point had been a man driving the bus, and about 6-8 people i knew who had been riding the bus with me. We had stopped at the diner, because i needed salt. Everyone else was gone though. I wandered around for a few minutes before entering the diner and asking for salt, which they did not have. I wandered back out looking for my friends and to see who was driving. My buddy texted me back, and it snapped me out of the desert into my room. He asked how i was doing again, and i said i was hopelessly lost.
Oh yes, I like that, sounds creepy and weird 
And the separate realms thing.....interesting. I sometimes get a sense of overlapping realities on shrooms, but not as separate realms isolated from each other.
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Haha. There is a really really good reason I was looking for salt
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23432727 - 07/11/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, interesting. So was the bad trip experiment a success? Will you try it again? Gain any lessons from this trip?
And I've never done that much LSD before. When you say you were in realms, was it like being on dmt type realms?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Kinshino] 1
#23432761 - 07/11/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This friend of yours that was checking up on you over text and helping you through the experience at times, sounds like a real badass!!! I bet he's a cool ass psychonaut!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Kinshino]
#23432825 - 07/11/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kinshino said: Lol, interesting. So was the bad trip experiment a success? Will you try it again? Gain any lessons from this trip?
And I've never done that much LSD before. When you say you were in realms, was it like being on dmt type realms?
It was all realms of existance past present and future.
Im really sorry about how slow im being typing this, i had a stalker lol and am trying to recover some time. Im gonna add some more and hopefully that answers some questions.
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SyzygisticSoul said: This friend of yours that was checking up on you over text and helping you through the experience at times, sounds like a real badass!!! I bet he's a cool ass psychonaut!
Yeah i figured that he wanted to stay anonymous, maybe he was just a figment of my imagination the whole time! Haha!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco] 1
#23433728 - 07/11/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I found that picture before you dosed. I waited for what i thought was the perfect moment to post it... "It must be kicking right about..... NOW" then i posted it lol
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23434160 - 07/12/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It was absolutely the perfect timing haha ill edit the report again and add more. Its so much that happened and just wow its long haha.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23434164 - 07/12/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What if you watched some isis propaganda? You know the kind...
or is that too much?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23434293 - 07/12/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My data is used up or i would have. I did have a definite i dont ever wanna do it again feeling
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23435004 - 07/12/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just read your trip report! Great read man, you really delivered big time!
"That poor guy needs a cough drop" 
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23435009 - 07/12/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23436663 - 07/13/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got exactly what i was looking for feelings of déjà vu and uncontrollable Predestiny i kinda dont want to trip anymore lol i edited a bit more i was is getting to then now of the report which is weird because ive seen this before
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23436666 - 07/13/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That sucks you feel that way tho man. I guess if that was your intentions then right on but I wouldn't wish a bad trip on anyone.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23436775 - 07/13/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never had the experience before. I did have a few thoughts though on ways to keep trips from going bad which was my intent.
Have someone you can talk to while tripping, we all have phones, so maybe there is someone you know who can talk to you for an hour or whatever it takes. You'd be surprised at how automatic texting is, and just remembering that youre high on lsd/shrooms/whatever is a big help.
Have some food with you. Some people like me dont eat a lot before tripping, so have a snack with you. I love fresh fruit. Or salty stuff. Whatever you think youd be craving have some with you. The taste can help you out and remind you whats going on here.
Have a blanket or coat if you are outside. You might feel chilly while tripping, so have something to warm up with and you might try to focus on that to ground yourself.
The sleep deprivation did nothing for me, but i stay up a lot so... Get some kind of caffeine, I used this one called mio energy. It had 1080 mg caffeine per bottle. If you feel the need to use it.
Be in a spot you can move, but not be weird. If you are outside it might be more difficult but you want an area where you can pace back and forth and stand up sit down stand up sit down if you're feeling a little too fucked up. You might also lie down so be prepared for that if you are outside.
Im a quiet person as it is so, im rarely ever noisy. But try to be aware of the people around you, and your surroundings before you start losing it. You have a certain amount of time to go before you start tripping balls, and you can feel the build up. Dont be standing outside the gas station with the police car parked outside. While inside, be aware of any alarms you might accidentally set. Might want to put the alarm remote in safe and sober hands and stay away from the triggers just in case!
Have a mantra. Here is mine: I am on a drug. That drug is ______ (lad, mushrooms, etc) This drug is very powerful. There is nothing i can do about it.
Another mantra i have is Om mani padme hum
You need something to say that is better than oh my god holy shit fuck oh my god im freaking out man.
I use the first one if i can use words to describe my surroundings. If it is a wordless or words have no meaning place, i use the second one.
Have a bathroom near by. Chances are you're gonna wanna visit the porcelain guy in there. Make sure you know whos in there with you before you try to throw up everything or the other end...
If you are in a group and one of them is not doing well, make sure you have one guy who can help, you dont want his bad time to cause an epidemic.
Have plenty to drink. Gatorade is nice. Plain water is good too. Fruit juice might be best because chances are you need to replenish your blood sugars.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23436971 - 07/13/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I cant remember if you said why the salt was so important to you during your trip. Why was it so important to you anyway?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23437130 - 07/13/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the salt was ghb which was antianxiety
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23437242 - 07/13/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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G can be alittle crazy if you don't know how to measure it proper.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23556978 - 08/19/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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try watching ren and stimpy next time
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