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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428345 - 07/10/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your makin me want to trip. Too bad im sick! Me tripping on acid is out of the question for me though. $40 for something that may or may not be a real hit of lsd. No thanks!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428348 - 07/10/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I work today too bummer. I have the genesis seed of a trip report. I wanted to express myself in a trip so utterly terrifying and success! Now to pick up the pieces and put them back
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Rainman13]
#23428351 - 07/10/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The fear of the unknown. That is the most beautiful part of psychedelics, it's a mental endurance test, and once you break through to the other side of paranoid to tripping it's like you're born again.
The great thing is, it's never too late enlighten your mind, you are never too old to be born again whether it be baptism by fire or just a nice mellow lucy experience.
Tripping levels the playing field of life, and gives you a new outlook on otherwise mechanical functions of life like work / school / dating.
Hope you enjoy
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: c1dh3d]
#23428355 - 07/10/16 03:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I got the fear of the unknown on thia trip. I was searching all of arizona fforone pillar of salt and only one in particular
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428376 - 07/10/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is what I am saying, no job or lifestyle choice defines us once or mind has been released of the mental barrier we've been fed our entire lives.
It's terrifying and beautiful, some people can't handle it, they need their projected self image and without it they cry like a new born.
I'm not some kind of tripping bad ass, but I know who I am, and I have very little ego left for psychedelics to destroy.
I only have one short life to live, and I'm not going to sell it a dollar an hour to a job I hate, or fake ass laugh at peoples jokes that I hate.
Bad tripping is your life, it's looking at yourself and your relationships with shame, and not doing shit about it.
You are the only one who will ever stand by you, so love yourself, because noone else will when the chips are down.
Be a good person, keep a clear conscience, and there won't be such a thing as a bad trip.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: c1dh3d] 1
#23428385 - 07/10/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the vibe i got, even after planning this. Bro i planned. This for like 2 monthsbefore posting it, posted it a. Week or so before trying really hard really. Really. Hard. To have a bad trip, and i barely did cause as soon as it went south i fixed it
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428456 - 07/10/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I tried to trip yesterday. Took a nice 80mg dose of 4-HO-MET on an empty stomach and ended up having no effects. Fuckin pissed.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23428462 - 07/10/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whaat? That sounds like it totally should have done something. Did you get any feel of it at all? Like your body proccessing it
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428468 - 07/10/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My pupils became dilated at around 6 hours after taking it, which if it worked, should have already been worn off by that point so that was really bizaar. Didn't get any visual changes at all. Ended up with a splitting headache a couple hours after my pupils dilated. I took a 30mg dose from the same batch two weeks ago and tripped fine off of that.
Only other thing in my system was some norcos. Could that have blocked it? I was 8+ hours without food when I took the 4-ho-met.
I think I've had more failed trips than effective ones. Its really aggravating. Since I didn't actually trip this time, does it still increase the tolerance or what?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23428471 - 07/10/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Been following this thread since you started it Mike. I can't contribute much to it really. It's very strange you've never ever had one in your life. Is that right Mike?
I had a bad trip on LSD on my first go because I took 3 hits and I couldn't handle the intensity. Feeling like you're going insane and seeing your trip sitter turn into satan is some fucked up shit to deal with. I consider that to be borderline traumatic had I have let it go on for 12 hours.....
But my fault for taking 3 hits of strong acid when inexperienced. All trips since then have been very insightful and memorable on LSD.
Never had a bad trip on shrooms. I've seen, felt and thought negative things like death on shrooms but that's it.
Bad trips I'd say are primarily down to inexperience of tripping and going in with a mindset that's anxious and tense. People that try and control the trip are the sort of people to have a bad trip.
You don't fit the bill now you're full of experience and are very relaxed going into your trips. I remember reading that on some of your posts about your mindset prior is like "OK I'm going to trip now" and that's the extent of your thought process. Relaxed.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: YeOlde]
#23428489 - 07/10/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I totally get your thought process there. Seeing someone else relate to me what i post is different. Like yeah. I just do it no thought needed. But i dont see that, i see the prep that i do, which now a days isnt much.
Gpryder you will increase tolerance if you dosed even if it doesnt actually do any thing at all. Thats weird though 6 hours into and pupils huge haha Thats odd
I did start offwith going quite south i had a yearning for thetaste of salt (ghb has a salty taste) i was in a bad mindset for once and probably within 45 minutes of taking the acid i did NOT KNOW i had taken acid. Syzergicsoul and i exchanged probably 200+ garbled messages about 50 of which i said What the fuck Wait did i take something Yes i did i took lsd i took something called lsd.
I am on a drug I am a drug. I am on a drug. And so on. Im waiting to unscramble my thoughts as i want to have a deep coherent teip report for you guys
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23429674 - 07/10/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think for the classical kind of purely psychological "bad trip", where outside of your own mind there is nothing whatsoever the matter, you want a combination of:
1) A lot of anxiety. You are worried about everything. It's a miracle your body is still functioning. Your heart could stop at any moment, if the allergic reaction you are pretty sure is happening doesn't get you first. Those are definitely not the right kind of shrooms, you have probably poisoned yourself. Everything about your body just feels wrong, which isn't helped by
2) the fucking intensity of this fucking trip. You just can't stand it. It's like the pressure inside your head is just going to keep building and building, and you can feel something horrible coming out of the trip, because you are starting to get
3) really powerful paranoid delusions. You can feel the wrath of God on one side, and on the other you did a really bad thing breaking reality and letting them find you, you can feel terrible, malevolent beings drawing you further into the trip, and now you are getting
4) a horrible feeling of imminent death, a doom-laden vortex of unimaginable horror which isn't made any better by
5) the massive panic attacks you have been having for the last 10 minutes.......
That would be a typical bad trip for me, although with a reasonable amount of experience you can learn to deal with the anxiety, learn not to fight the intensity, learn not to fear death, and avoid the resulting panic attacks.
Which mainly leaves the paranoid delusions. Do you get really sinister trips with a vibe of global annihilation and alien enslavement by super-beings from other dimensions who have created a labyrinthine system of artificial reality to mess with our heads? I mean that at least gives you the general vibe of a bad trip, even if you actually enjoy it - just imagine you were anxious and panicking at the same time while being torn apart by the ferocious intensity of the mindfuck as the whole thing descends into some kind of elaborate death-trip.
I think the movie Banshee Chapter captures the delusional, this-is-all-going-horribly-wrong-and-I'm going-to-die mood quite well
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Aldebaran]
#23430000 - 07/10/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah that'll do it
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Remember that movie Altered States? The scene where they're making the psychedelic brew and they cut they guy's hand open, they slice the skin between his thumb and his index finger. They make him bleed into the thing... and then he's on one of his mind blowing trips and he's having zaps of fiery pain. Later on it's like it never happened. I first saw that movie tripping and wasn't buying that. They should have left out the hand cutting. If that happened to me I'd be crying, I'd freak out and it would be the worst night of my life.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Universe]
#23430804 - 07/10/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive never seen altered states. Im gonna take a recovery nap (basically went into work still tripping hard core.
I had a strong déjà vu moment though. Just a teaser i guess.
On my break at work, i took a pretty heavy nap, and went into this room with colorful glowy things on the wall, thick white fog, and another me sitting on a bed in the middle of the room.
Last night i had a visual of me lying down at work qnd felt it was somehow important to the trip.
Déjà vu. Which i will explain later
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23430825 - 07/10/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Classic Mike; Build suspense with teaser comment, then honey dicks the audience lmao I'm glad I already have the inside scoop.
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I've just found an old post of mine on this topic, a slightly more serious answer to the question:
Can anyone elaborate on this hell people can experience?
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The room fills up with a sense of doom, as though some great, hostile power is waiting just beyond the boundaries of the trip as reality falls apart.
That's the spirit!
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Aldebaran]
#23432553 - 07/11/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find that weed or hash with LSD turns the trip into a frightening spiritual experience. Kind of like what this guy said:Quote:
Aldebaran said: I think for the classical kind of purely psychological "bad trip", where outside of your own mind there is nothing whatsoever the matter, you want a combination of:
1) A lot of anxiety. You are worried about everything. It's a miracle your body is still functioning. Your heart could stop at any moment, if the allergic reaction you are pretty sure is happening doesn't get you first. Those are definitely not the right kind of shrooms, you have probably poisoned yourself. Everything about your body just feels wrong, which isn't helped by
2) the fucking intensity of this fucking trip. You just can't stand it. It's like the pressure inside your head is just going to keep building and building, and you can feel something horrible coming out of the trip, because you are starting to get
3) really powerful paranoid delusions. You can feel the wrath of God on one side, and on the other you did a really bad thing breaking reality and letting them find you, you can feel terrible, malevolent beings drawing you further into the trip, and now you are getting
4) a horrible feeling of imminent death, a doom-laden vortex of unimaginable horror which isn't made any better by
5) the massive panic attacks you have been having for the last 10 minutes.......
That would be a typical bad trip for me, although with a reasonable amount of experience you can learn to deal with the anxiety, learn not to fight the intensity, learn not to fear death, and avoid the resulting panic attacks.
Which mainly leaves the paranoid delusions. Do you get really sinister trips with a vibe of global annihilation and alien enslavement by super-beings from other dimensions who have created a labyrinthine system of artificial reality to mess with our heads? I mean that at least gives you the general vibe of a bad trip, even if you actually enjoy it - just imagine you were anxious and panicking at the same time while being torn apart by the ferocious intensity of the mindfuck as the whole thing descends into some kind of elaborate death-trip.
I think the movie Banshee Chapter captures the delusional, this-is-all-going-horribly-wrong-and-I'm going-to-die mood quite well 
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23432645 - 07/11/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Work in progress. When finished it will probably be very long.
So i attempted to put myself into a bad mindstate and force a bad or negative trip on myself. The intended reason was to go back when finished and see what i did to right the ship as it were.
I forced some dark thoughts in my head, forced myself to confront some helpless feelings i was having. The bad experience actually didnt happen until thw next day, and it almost had me never wanting to trip again. Almost.
I thought heavily about how helpless i was in some circumstances. At around 10:30 pm. I took 5 300 mic hits of lsd and put them in my mouth. I took a shower and preoccupied myself with cleaning and looking at some rc i had.
By 11, i had completely forgotten that i had taken anything. I had swallowed the tabs, decided not to take some rc, and as i has spent almost a full week sleep depriving myself, i got so tired and just went to bed. Around 11:15-11:20 i got a text from a friend asking me how i was doing.
Around this time, rainman posted a very very very creepy pic here. Totally ruined the next half hour or so for me.
I was beginning to notice it was getting hard to see, but foe some reason could not for the life of me remember why. I cleaned my glasses, rubbed my eyes, got 3-4 blankets cause i was freezing cold. And made the mistake of looking at rainmans reply to a post someone made on shroomery. (Someone being me but i couldn't remember who at the time) this creepy face got really huge and bubbly and started stretching like it was going to reach out and grab me, which i just couldnt cause the picture was alive for some reason.
Everything around me disintegrated. But in about a span of 5 seconds. When it melted, i found myself standing alone, on the side of a one lane highway. There was a big blue bus parked next to me. A small diner with a glass roof, green and blue trim, and white lights was close by. Sand was the only thing i could see, and it was night time. I was alone. I didnt know how i had gotten there, what was going on. The only thing i knew, was that there at some point had been a man driving the bus, and about 6-8 people i knew who had been riding the bus with me. We had stopped at the diner, because i needed salt. Everyone else was gone though. I wandered around for a few minutes before entering the diner and asking for salt, which they did not have. I wandered back out looking for my friends and to see who was driving. My buddy texted me back, and it snapped me out of the desert into my room. He asked how i was doing again, and i said i was hopelessly lost. Where the fuck are you? Whos driving the bus, where is the salt, and who is driving, we have to leavez there is a creepy face out there (somewhere in the desert i thought) and i dont want to be stuck here when creepyface geta back.
My friend had no clue what i was saying, and did the best thing that a non tripping person could do during a freak out.
He said Mike. Youre on a drug. Everything will be ok. Just go with it. What bus, what driver? I asked him what drug? I didnt take anything, im lost in the desert and need to find this salt.
You are on lsd. It is powerful but you can handle it.
Whos on lsd? You are mike. Just tell me what you see.
Me? Im on lsd? Since when?
Since 1030.
I explained to him the situation, and realized that not only was i outside wandering the desert, i was in the really melty room. I began to look for salt while in my room.
At this point, im maybe half an hour from the peak. The effects are increasing and getting stronger. And im just losing it completely.
I return to the desert, and i see the diner, but from a different angle.
Please note: i experienced three seperate realms while tripping. If i say i was at the diner, the other two stopped existing, and all i knew or had known was that scene there. If i was in the room in my basement, that was all i knew. If i saw the "other realm" that was all. And it encompassed the other two scenes, as well as everything else that could possibly exist. For the most part i used my phone but was unaware of it. When i finally calmed down, i had about 7 hours worth of texting i didnt know i sent.
I wandered around and went back into the diner, asking for salt. The couple people inside were getting annoyed and asked why i needed it, which i could not remember why. All i knew was i needed salt. After going outside, and wandering around i came to a black pool in the sand, and fell in by accident. I "fell out" into my room, everything swirling and a white haze now spreading out.
No recollection of how i got to the room, just again the craving for salt, and a message from my friend asking what was up. Apparently, when i went to the "desert" i was still using my phone but unaware of it.
I saw a message from my friend and asked him what was going on. He said
You're on acid. You took lsd.
Lsd? Whats that?
A very strong drug. Just ride it out.
Im on lsd. Im on lsd. Wait! Im on lsd. I took it around 1030, and now i have to find this salt i lost!
Why do you want salt? Are you hungry?
No i just need this salt.
I was going through my drug stash, and then i found an envelope with a white paste inside. The outside of the envelope said 4aco det ghb
At this point im still getting higher. Im forgetting that im tripping or anything. But... I just found my salt.
I was nervous about eating the salt because part of my mind saw the other label and was trying desperately to remember why.
I told my friend i found my salt, but couldnt remember what 4aco det or ghb tasted like.
Well. If it tastes like salt, i THINK ill be ok (note:ghb tastes incredibly salty. I knew this and was trying to remember, my tripping mind told me to check everything out first. After smelling and checking it out, i determined it was safe [was gonna try a haloperidol, but i remember what it did to my dad so I wasnt sure that was the best bet. Also the ghb was in a location all by itself because i set it aside for emergency use only, which was why it was hard to find)
I began to scoop out the salty ghb, very very slowly qnd carefully eating it. I ate 2 grams over the course of about 6 hours.
About 15 minutes after eating a couple small chunks, i had that first eureka moment.
I texted my friend
Ghb is salty
Is it i dont know.
No. My salt i found it. It wasnt in the diner. It was ghb.
Now, im partially in my room and partially in tbe desert, i could see each part clearly and exist in both spots. Ive never experienced that and it was incredibly overwhelming.
Ghb can be used to help a trip going wrong, this was my first time using anything like it to help a trip.
Even after the ghb, my texts to my friend were garbled and a loop of
Its too much i cant see Whats wrong? What happened to me? I cant see with my eyes Im cold Wait i took lsd Whats happening its too much I cant see I took lsd? Its too much
Etc. He did the one thing a person should do when having a bad trip, he just calmly reminded me that i was on lsd, he asked me to explain what was happening. He never tried to take control, just putting subtle hints out there about things that would keep me grounded in this reality.
The entire loop up until this point was maybe 45 minutes.
While standing outside the diner, i could hear creepyface in the background of the desert somewhere, and got scared that this thing full of negativity and evil scariness was going to find me, and id never return. I waited by the blue bus for what seemed like forever trying to see where my friends were and wondering who had come with me in the first place. A fog started rolling in and multicolored lights lit the ground. The sky stayed pitch black however.
The part of me that existed in my room was experiencing a white multicolored fog as well. Soon, in both places i began to see the colors form bubbles.
I referred to what happened next as "the boom" my friend had no clue what i was talking about, but apparently i referred to this "boom" numerous times: How long since the boom? Where were you when it boomed? Its too much since the boom. I don't know I was just standing here and then boom colors and lines and colors and lines.
Imagine that someone just blew millions of soap bubbles at you. Instead of popping, they stay there, bouncing off each other. Instead of reflecting normally (reflecting what is on the outside of the bubble) each bubble had a different reflection. In one, i saw myself in the desert. In one i saw myself in my room, and so on. When things "boomed" these small pulsating bubbles got really tiny, inhaled (drew closer together) and then exhaled by pushing apart and swelling up. The bubbles seemed to be all of existence, including seperate timelines, alternate universes, and entire cosmos fitted inside balls roughly the size of handballs. However, i got the distinct feeling that i was a completely detatched entity. Like i was just an observer of these forma of reality and that i was not part of them at all.
I began to text my friend, and when i did at this point. The next 2-3 hours were all my hands on autopilot, i did not see my phone or anything. I did not exist as myself, i did not exist period.
I said I feel like a paragraph. I am just words now, conveying the meanings of existence. I am everything. I am nothing. I am all that was, is now, and will come.
As I was experiencing this, i was going in and out of these colored bubbles trying to find the original one. Each bubble was a different memory from different versions of this universe. I will post a seperate thread about just this part. I couldnt see anything when i had my eyes open, there was just way too much stuff and movement and i couldn't see my body, so where was i looking from? Somehow i held up my arm but i couldn't see it at all. I texted my friend, what are fingers if at the subatomic level they don't exist?
Nothing in the room existed, i was completely overwhelmed by visuals, i could close my eyes and see behind me and above and below me, i could see around the corner and up the stairs, i could see outside of the house, at work, at places i hadnt been yet, places I had been before. People i knew and didnt know and hadn't met yet interacted with me. I saw multiples of different memories, each one slightly different. I saw myself at work and felt myself wake up from a nap and then start working, after hearing voices which woke me up. I began to look around the visuals because i always see a snake, but i didnt see it this time, which was scary because its always with me on trips and this time im not sure where when what who why how anything and it wasn't there to protect me or whatever. I began to have this feeling that i was the snake, Quetzalcoatl and i was experiencing existence as it for a while. I began to shift around the balls of light trying desperately to find where i had come from, what was going on please let me see anything familiar.
I got the sensation that i was the paragraphs and sentences that were being written, and that something was taking notes. I then realized that there was a song being played Ommanipadmehum om mani padme hum, and other various notes. The song instead of being words, sounded like vibrations.
Like if i as Brahman would rearrange the bubbles a certain way a certain sound would happen. If i arranged it differently it would make a different sound. Each difference in sound would cause a wave or a ripple to begin from somewhere within the bubbles, and as it radiated, the bubbles would shimmer and their contents would change slightly
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