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Mike4aco
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What causes a bad trip?
#23417459 - 07/06/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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A few days ago, i tried ayahuasca, which contained a few extra chemicals (rue/caapi, dpt, nn dmt, shrooms, 5meo dmt, DiPT)
I had a wonderful time. My friend E, stated that he felt a little anxiety (i was really chilled, reclined and seemed really calm to him, he thought at first he was supposed to be calm like me, then eventually eased into his trip and had a great time (almost took a trip killer [haloperidol] but decided to wait) he was really glad he didnt take it as he had a great time after his peak.
So my question is, what makes a bad trip?
Ive had plenty of trips in very high doses, some of which some of you guys are calling insanely high, and ones some people wouldn't get close to.
How can i have a bad trip? I feel like every one of my trips are very positive and uplifting, then i read a horror story here and there about having a bad trip.
Please dont take me the wrong way. I sincerely wish to experience EVERY side of psychedelics. I WANT to experience a bad trip. Maybe if i do, i could figure out somethings to help others not experience a bad trip.
What do i need to do to experience the dark side of psychedelics?
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417464 - 07/06/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take more.
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You just need to be unhappy with yourself and being in a bad place.
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Mike4aco
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Bro. I have taken extreme amounts of some of these things, 30 something grams shrooms, about 250 mg lsd (the only time i whited out but it was an absolutely amazing day after, i whited out shortly after taking it, went to a white colorful room with some guy who was basically pulling the strings of reality, but the dying and rebirth part is something i was used to so it was relaxing in a way, die and be reborn and die and be reborn, every time i died my darkness would get so much brighter until it was all white and gossamer)
I took 200 mg 4aco dmt too and that wasnt bad.
Aside from taking a dose that would be deadly...
What do you guys think about before a trip goes south? Maybe if i change my routine ans try to get some dissonance in me before i go
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Mike4aco
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417493 - 07/06/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unhappy with myself and in a bad place. Hmmm. Need to bring some chaos in my life i guess. I can try that next time i trip
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417519 - 07/06/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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iv never had a bad trip and I don't want one
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417537 - 07/06/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Get addicted to drugs.isolate yourself.stop communicating with family.burn every bridge you have. Then maybe you'll hate yourself as much as some of us here do
But for realzies...maybe try some moderate sleep dep. like three nights then on the third day take like 7-12 grams of strong cubes alone. You SHOULD have a pretty bad time. It seems super unhealthy though.
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Mike4aco
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As long as its not killme unhealthy. That sounds good. I will try that in a few days, complete sleep deprivation, try to get my mind in a bad place and see what happens. Ive never experienced anything negative, unless you count not tripping hard as i want
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417610 - 07/06/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you want a bad trip eat like 7g dry after loosing a loved one
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Mike4aco
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: TeeRoy87]
#23417640 - 07/06/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That involves someone getting lost lol i have no control over that,and if that happened i would reconnect with their spiritual energy and it would end up being positive and uplifting to me
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TeeRoy87
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417648 - 07/06/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope so but I don't think so,if there really close
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: TeeRoy87]
#23417663 - 07/06/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take it without thinking or just to get fucked up or take it frequently and you might have a bad trip. Or maybe when your stressed and alot on your mind. A bad trip can happen and it can be extremely traumatizing for a person. I was fucked up for a while from a bad mushroom trip. It's not something I regret because it did show me parts of myself I hid away and blocked for years instead of really coping with what I should have all the years prior to that experience.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417671 - 07/06/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My one and only "bad trip" all started with a paranoid thought about being seen picking the mushrooms I had earlier that day, and getting caught up with the 1/4lb of mushrooms I had....up until this trip I had been working with psychedelics for 9+ years and had well over 100 trips (lost count a long time ago) and never ever came close to having any sort of "bad" or difficult experience.
Through out all my years of dabbling with "drugs" I have never had any sort of weight or a lot of anything in my possession. It's always just some pot and maybe a dose or two of L, I usually only acquire things shortly before I intend on taking them. Having a relatively large amount of a drug at my house & in my possession for the first time (even though that's not a whole lot, it was way more of anything I've ever had) planted some paranoia within me.
A couple years ago I found several patches of cyans and allenii around my area and each patch was in a very public location with surveillance cameras everywhere. After harvesting the patches a few times over the period of a few weeks I had a bit over 1/4lb dry. The thought of being seen picking the mushrooms and getting caught up, or getting stopped while driving/riding home with a backpack literally full of mushrooms, or somehow being followed/traced back to my house, was always in the back of my mind....but when this thought randomly came up while peaking on 2g of allenii (equal to about 4g or 5g of cubes IME), my thoughts started to spiral out of control.
The thoughts that were spinning through my mind all seemed very real, as if what I was thinking was actually happening. The first couple hours of the trip was smooth sailing, and the length of time that I was "feaking out" was probably only about 20 to 30 minutes long, it was basically just a panic attack with lots of dread and fright that was all started with a paranoid thought....I explain the story of what happened that night in this thread....>>>>
First "bad time" after 9 years & 100+ trips
That 20 or 30 minutes when I was going through the rough of it was probably hands down the most terrified/anxious/panicked I've ever been in my life....and I felt a bit "rattled" and had anxious baggage for a while after that trip. Shortly after it happened I was already laughing at my self looking back on it, and still do, but it was the opposite of a good time when I was going though it .
Other than that....I've never really got hung up on what I'd consider a "bad" or difficult trip. I've had quite a few trips where all the pain/suffering, all the darkness and fucked up shit that our fellow brothers and sisters have gone through, as well as the destruction of our mamma earth's systems, I've had trips where that stuff eats at me deeply where I'm not having a "pleasant" experience, but that just comes with the territory of psychedelics and empathy and I don't at all consider it a "bad" trip.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: openmind]
#23417701 - 07/06/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My lifes pretty shitty and I've gotten "bored" during trips before and tried to trigger a bad trip and just couldn't do it. Thought about my bleak financial situation, my long term unemployment, my health problems, all the deaths I've been surrounded by lately, stare myself in the mirror and tell myself I'm a piece of shit and I'm mentally insane, dwell on past mistakes, watch questionable videos, etc. I think its just a russian roulette with hundreds of empty chambers. Never know when that one is going to come up.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417720 - 07/06/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mike4aco said: A few days ago, i tried ayahuasca, which contained a few extra chemicals (rue/caapi, dpt, nn dmt, shrooms, 5meo dmt, DiPT)
I had a wonderful time. My friend E, stated that he felt a little anxiety (i was really chilled, reclined and seemed really calm to him, he thought at first he was supposed to be calm like me, then eventually eased into his trip and had a great time (almost took a trip killer [haloperidol] but decided to wait) he was really glad he didnt take it as he had a great time after his peak.
So my question is, what makes a bad trip?
Ive had plenty of trips in very high doses, some of which some of you guys are calling insanely high, and ones some people wouldn't get close to.
How can i have a bad trip? I feel like every one of my trips are very positive and uplifting, then i read a horror story here and there about having a bad trip.
Please dont take me the wrong way. I sincerely wish to experience EVERY side of psychedelics. I WANT to experience a bad trip. Maybe if i do, i could figure out somethings to help others not experience a bad trip.
What do i need to do to experience the dark side of psychedelics?
a bad trip can be caused by:
mindset
setting
too big of dose
the drug working on your ego and you needing the ass-kicking
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23417726 - 07/06/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whaat I've never heard of people trying to induce a bad trip! Bad trips usually come on by themselves, and afterwards you realize that you learned a huge lesson from it.
Be careful what you wish for...
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23417745 - 07/06/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Personally...I don't think high doses necessarily increases the chance of having a "bad" trip, especially with someone that has some experience (though when things do go bad on high doses, when one is out of touch with the world, shit can go real bad)...as always, it usually comes down to (mind)set & setting. Having a level sensible head, having control over one's mind and thoughts, and being somewhat knowledgeable about the substances one is taking, and taking such in a comfortable setting, that all goes a long way in keeping the sailing smooth.....
....But things can randomly go awry, just as they did for me (in fact, I think if I was on a higher dose that night I had my little freak out, I probably wouldn't have even had that thought arise in the middle of my trip, a bit higher of a dose and my mind/thoughts, "I", would be somewhere else entirely, or non-existent)
Just curious....About how old are you 4aco?...and how long have you been working with psychedelics?
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Mike4aco said: ....and if that happened i would reconnect with their spiritual energy and it would end up being positive and uplifting to me
That's kinda how I think it'd go for me as well, in such a situation. Ultimately being a positive/therapeutic trip.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: GPryder]
#23417751 - 07/06/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think just getting overwhelmed from the intensity of the trip is enough to throw many people into a difficult trip.
When I trip my visuals just go crazy, the intensity of the hallucinations is what can give me that lost of control.
When you feel like you're losing control the heart rate and "fight of flight" part of the body starts going into overdrive, that can sometimes increase the drug as well, before you know it you're in a vicious cycle of anxiety about nothing.
With that being said, the more experience one has with tripping, the less likely it's going to happen, confidence can be key.
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Re: What causes a bad trip? [Re: qman] 1
#23417811 - 07/06/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eat a sheet and punch a cop. See where the day takes you.
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