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Ferather
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23434117 - 07/12/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Marty is there any chance of some closeups of the growth on both samples. Look for rhizomorphic areas, if none look for dense areas of myc.
Thanks
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Marty Mycfly
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Ferather]
#23435070 - 07/12/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got it Ferather, I will get some closeups up here in a bit!
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23435319 - 07/12/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is an update and some closeups for Ferather
Here are the softwood pellet blocks






And here are the hardwood pellet blocks






So there it is, most of the blocks softwood and hardwood are mostly all colonized, they look totally different than each other though. Im thinking I will put them into fruiting in about a week I think, this is my first time growing Amycel 3015.
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Ferather
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23437246 - 07/13/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very healthy myc, well done, shame about wood not holding that extra water.
There's a way to prevent patching, and get uniform growth. Dump the spawn at the bottom of the bag, sub ontop.
When the surface is done, fruit.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Ferather]
#23437618 - 07/13/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dump the spawn at the bottom of the bag, sub ontop.
Ferather.. That seems to be my problem.. Not enough spawn gets to the bottom of the bag, no matter how much I shake the bag...
What is your method in dumping the spawn at the bottom of the bag?
Thanks in advance...
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Ferather
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: micelio]
#23437688 - 07/13/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess it depends on how you are assembling your grows. I see you have a flowhood, a SAB will also work well.
Get a clean grow bag, and fully prepared substrate.
Put the spawn in the grow bag, fully cover. Add the clean prepared sub ontop.
Seal and wait.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Ferather]
#23437876 - 07/13/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually I got most of those bags colonized fully, When I was trying to take pictures of rhizporphic areas the only ones I could find were the few places that were still colonizing, but that was literally 3 bags out of 24. Micilio, the best way to get that spawn mixed besides what ferather mentioned is to get a good amount of HEPA air into the bag before sealing, it makes all the difference and mixing isn't even a problem. I like to hold the bag in one arm and grab the bottom with my other hand and shake it from there.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23438098 - 07/13/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Might be able to skip mixing if you layer, one at the bottom, one half way. Depending on the height of the bag and substate, add more layers.

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Thanks for the images Marty, can't wait for results. Tempted to try pine again, but differently.
I'm going to take to your informed PM. I'll let you know what happens.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Ferather]
#23438298 - 07/13/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unless I misunderstood the concept, the additional step of adding prepared substrate seems like more of a hassle than its worth. Especially considering that it could only increase the percentage of contamination.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: MorePies]
#23458556 - 07/20/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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All of my grows thus far have been on pine softwood pellets- so you can definitely get results- however my yields were low. I am about to do the same thing. I have 2 BSOY2 bags ready to go. I'm doing one bag into 2 pasteurized hardwood and 2 pasteurized softwood, then the other bag into 4 sterilized supplemented at 18ish% wheat bran and compare the differences. (Waiting to get my flowhood built to do the bag work) I will be taking copious notes, and then doing the same thing with Maitake. I'll make a thread about it and we can compare results.
Edited to add by the way looking good! I see you've been busy- I had to cut my time down a lot to fill the demands of work this last month, but I'm back and ready to go!
Edited by TravelAgency (07/20/16 06:12 AM)
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Ferather
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: TravelAgency]
#23458670 - 07/20/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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@ TravelAgency
Did you remove the inhibitory resins before you grew on the pine? Pine and some other woods produce an anti fungal resin.
You will need to soak in hot water, mix well. Do so for 20 minutes, strain and repeat.
Add body, waste mail, compost. Then continue as normal.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: TravelAgency]
#23458675 - 07/20/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maitake would be interesting, if I'm not mistaken it's found on practically everything, coniferous and deciduous.
EDIT: had that completely wrong, was confusing hens with turkeys
-------------------- Active grow logs: Oysters on Straw Pellets Trade list
Edited by weetsie (08/03/16 07:07 AM)
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Ferather]
#23459615 - 07/20/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never have washed them first- I was afraid of getting the field capacity wrong. Already have bags prepped too. I'll try that on the next run.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: TravelAgency]
#23488374 - 07/29/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Any news on your softwood grow? Should be about fruiting time, no?
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: chefjrd]
#23493459 - 07/30/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh guys, I am back, I have been gone with a family emergency and had to shut everything down, my blocks have been sitting in my lab in hot temps looking funky, actually the softwood ones look great and are fruiting from the top, I have a lot of work to do today pulling out all of my nasty old moldy bags with dried mushrooms all over them and fucking bleach everything! Like I was saying I had to leave for a few weeks and just turned the room off! Plus I have had some business problems along the way, a company who used to have a similar name to ours got a mob of people to harass on social media and had to shut that down and change name and logos, right when my wife and I got a foot in. Anyways I will update with some pics of the bags and then grow them out, they are about to bust out of the bags. Life man! Hits you at all the wrong times.
Edited by Marty Mycfly (07/30/16 06:58 PM)
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Ferather
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23494909 - 07/31/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry to hear the bad news, I hope everyone is doing ok. Thats good news for softwood, was expecting that.
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Ferather]
#23495056 - 07/31/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, sorry to hear about the emergency. Hopefully everything works out ok. I was down for a couple weeks too because of a trip for a family reunion. Fortunately I was able to plan and have a grow going while I was gone. I am currently testing corn cob pellets and the mycelium seem to be loving it. I'm looking forward to your update!
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: chefjrd]
#23496209 - 07/31/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, and we are doing ok Ferather, both of my grandparents have been really sick though, I took the family to see them. And it's just crazy now trying to get things back in order with our mushrooms, the kids are about to go back to school which is hectic enough, but that will definitely give us a chance to get back on the ball. I just took everything back out from slants to dishes and am making spawn tonight, my son who is 8 is really interested in helping me now and made agar with me the other night, I didnt let him pour it, but he watched and really wants to do it, he also made great mental notes of the whole process when I quizzed him about it afterwards, after I get this batch in Im going to have him make is very own little batch of oysters from slant to harvest. Also I told him one time last year that my AA's were going to be his one day, he reminded me of that the other night as he stared at the PC watching the pressure like a hawk the whole 40 minutes. Sorry about that rant, I was a proud papa that night. Chefjrd, dude that is awesome about the corncob pellets, I had no idea that existed! Are you doing a thread on it? I will try to find it.
Here are some pics before the bags go into the growroom, a little late 
softwood




And here are the hardwood, they are nasty and full of water!


Here is a bunch of shit I have to throw away

And here I am starting over 
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: Marty Mycfly]
#23496650 - 07/31/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Hardwood pellets vs. softwood pellets comparison [Re: chefjrd]
#23520988 - 08/08/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive been absent as well. My company filed for bankruptcy for a second time and we've closed 4 locations. Crazy times. But I'm doing the same experiment. Just posted a thread. Would love to compare this whole journey. Bout to do 50 enoki big gulps- will probably do half and half with that too. Pine pellets are much easier to come by- so if the difference is minimal maybe new cultivators won't see it as insurmountable and be more apt to grow away. That being said can't wait to see the differences! I'm seriously excited to see it first hand!
Keep shroomin' brother, mycology has brought me out of dark places. It's the perfect hobby- not quite plant, not quite animal, totally unique and amazing- and with how new mycology is- we are all citizen mycologists. Posting our results literally helps progress the science.
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