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I would have asked the legal vendors this question but as its now all shut down in Britain, thats not an option and having trawled through a myriad of posts I'm none the wiser.
Does 100 mics of 1p-LSD equal 100 mics of LSD 25?
Or is the former 20 mics lighter?
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Litto]
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Maybe.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: plasma]
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1p-LSD is said to be 38% the potency of LSD-25. It apparently acts as a LSD prodrug (turns into LSD in the body) and has activity of it's own as well.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: YeOlde]
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Anyone got a link about the stuff just info on legality in the states stuff like that
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: YeOlde]
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Yep I get all that, but why market a product 20% light ? Seems dumb to me, I would have thought it would have been better advertising to be what it says on the tin.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Litto]
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What do you mean about marketing it 20% light? make no sense to me.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: YeOlde]
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Maybe he found a vendor that says 1P LSD is 20% weaker then LSD? If so they probably state that so people don't under dose and get underwhelmed
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Plain]
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analog act of 1986 makes it technically illegal. still people order it.
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Yeah i looked that up a little bit kind of a bummer never done L before
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I don't know about the exactness of how the potency matches up with L-25, but to me it's pretty damn close. At least to your average hit of 25. My go to dose for 1P is 150 mics (one and a half blotters) and that without fail consistently gets me where I need to be.
That said each person is different obviously and I've heard some say that even 200 mcg is too low for them, and on the flip side, I've heard some say that 100 mics alone is more than enough for a very solid experience.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Litto]
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1p-lsd is great, I wouldn't worry about the potential potency difference two or three tabs of 1p is still crazy strong whether or not its equivalent to 80ug each or 100ug each i can't say with certainty, it however is no weaker than the genuin lsd I used to get and I can't tll th difference between em anyhow
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Ezuma] 1
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Ezuma said: 1p-lsd is great, I wouldn't worry about the potential potency difference two or three tabs of 1p is still crazy strong whether or not its equivalent to 80ug each or 100ug each i can't say with certainty, it however is no weaker than the genuin lsd I used to get and I can't tll th difference between em anyhow
Those out there with no access to L-25 need to discover the magic of 1P. I think a lot of people unfortunately see it as a cheap knockoff RC...they'd be sadly mistaken, however.
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exactly, even though I have access to regular lsd i prefer getting 1p-lsd since its evenly laid at the dose they claim, whereas the dealer stuff i've got varies hugely and they all say '100ug' but you know that means jack all
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Niffla] 1
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Tell the whole world why don't you.
There is no way 1p is 20% of 25. 50mics of 1p is a perfectly fine trip for me. At 100 the open eyes visuals are intense.
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I was on 150 a couple of weeks ago -- went to go take a piss and the wallpaper in the bathroom was swirling out of control. I mean it was like the wallpaper was on fire and the wallpaper was melting or something...it was that pronounced.
I was like
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Litto]
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i hated 1p-lsd and could tell a clear cut difference between it and lsd-25
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Bill_Oreilly said: i hated 1p-lsd and could tell a clear cut difference between it and lsd-25 
Care to elaborate a bit more on why you hated it and what the difference was? dose?
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: YeOlde]
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Bill_Oreilly said: i hated 1p-lsd and could tell a clear cut difference between it and lsd-25 
Care to elaborate on the difference then?
What were your thoughts on 1P going into the experience? Because even with L-25 negative pre conceived notions can drastically effect the experience.Quote:
YeOlde said: Care to elaborate a bit more on why you hated it and what the difference was? dose?
beat me by 59 seconds...
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Bill.

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Bill_Oreilly said: 1p is the only psych besides mescaline to give me nausea. It feels very metallic and just kind of gross. I don't know, I just don't like it.
Maybe it affects you differently, or maybe what got passed off to you as 1P really wasn't 1P
Because I've gotten literally zero nausea from it, nor do I get any "metallic" feeling that you speak of
I think I need to do it again. The circumstances I did it in were not very good.
What happened was, I dosed. Then I got a call from my mom and I had to do her a favor and drive her somewhere...so I was rishing trying to get home in time before it kicked in.
Then I just said fuck it and did a bunch of heroin to try to abort the trip 
I wasn't able to abort it 1005 but what I did feel from it, despite the dope, was nausea and just a synthetic feeling. I didn't like it, but that's probably due to my mindstate at the time and not wanting to experience it.
so really, I didn't give it its proper chance.
You barely even started your trip and then aborted it with H. And then you complained of nausea...lmao, you don't think that could've been the, you know, heroin? 
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Niffla]
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That reads like a troll post honestly...
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thats the craziest shit i've ever read bill must look like this guy
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Konyap]
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Niffla]
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I was afraid to try 1p-lsd some people said it was weak, but every person that took it first hand said it was as strong but with the shit people said here about kratom I don't know anymore, people will go through a lot of bullshit to get a high
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Konyap] 2
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Konyap said: I was afraid to try 1p-lsd some people said it was weak, but every person that took it first hand said it was as strong but with the shit people said here about kratom I don't know anymore, people will go through a lot of bullshit to get a high
All I can say is try it. I've dosed more L-25 in my life than I can count, and to me, 1P is virtually LSD. Not a knock off or a cheap imitation. If somebody handed me an unmarked blotter of 1P and said it was L-25, I wouldn't have questioned it for a second after the fact.
And the vast majority of people who have dosed 1P will tell you the same thing.
Go read the big 1P thread in ODD. Or the big & dandy 1P thread over at bluelight.
I know it sounds almost too good to be true -- and that's exactly what I was thinking before I gave it a shot -- but for once, something like this actually lived up to the hype.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Niffla]
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But what if I'm buying it from a federal agent?
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Konyap said: But what if I'm buying it from a federal agent?
Pass on buying it from a federal agent if you can. They seem to frown upon such things from what I hear.
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Maybe he found a vendor that says 1P LSD is 20% weaker then LSD? 
In mice. Not in humans. In my experience 100ug 1p-LSD = 70-80ug LSD
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Litto]
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It might not be as simple as a 1:1 relationship because only one of the four stereoisomers of LSD is active. Even if you have 100ug of 1P-LSD, some of that might end up as one of the other stereoisomers of LSD and thus be inactive.
Then there's the question of how much LSD is actually on the average blotter which is a huge matter for debate. Early reports talk about LSD being fairly strong at 100ug whereas now people talk as if its fairly weak at that dose. Who knows how much active LSD is actually on any given blotter? Well, maybe on the darknet you might be able to get some fairly reliable info, but only if you put a lot of work into it.
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Hm.I just read abit about it and I'm not sure I understand it but it seems like only two stereoisomers are possible. But I did not know this:
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However, LSD and iso-LSD, the two C-8 isomers, rapidly interconvert in the presence of bases, as the alpha proton is acidic and can be deprotonated and reprotonated. Non-psychoactive iso-LSD which has formed during the synthesis can be separated by chromatography and can be isomerized to LSD.
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Thats what I meant i.e. if its lower then why not make it up to be equal to 100 mics of acid? Like when Owsley Stanley said Hoffman took 250mics so he added a little more to take into account of light and whatnot degrading it and ended up with 300mic doses that were a fly to the moon mixture that Hoffman said was a serious overdose!
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Litto]
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There are some 125ug blotters of 1p-LSD out there. It doesn't really matter that much, the doses I've bought are all dosed evenly, you can cut one into four pieces and take 1 and 1/4 if you want and it will be like taking 100ug of LSD-25.
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ive eaten 300ug of 1p and i have to say street acid is stronger and different. others will disagree and everyone has their own opinion but ive eaten LSD over 100 times and i have to say in my opinion that its different. still a wonderful lysergamide and a great psychedelic none the less
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I have the 125 ug 1P blots and I have compared them to a supposedly 100 ug real LSD blots I have. They are ALMOST the same, nice trip, but it seems like the 1P is slightly more "anxious" feeling. Same visuals and such, but just a bit more intense. May be bacause of the "real" LSD i have is lower than they told me. Maybe because I can see the difference, but they are so close I really could not tell, much.
I have been tripping on LSD since 1984. Maybe 100 trips give or take, IDK. I like the 1P. Glad I can have something that I know for sure is a certain dose and a certain level on 1 hit, I can go as far as I want comfortably. I have turned people on and told them what it was, they looked it up and made the decision to take it, they are VERY pleased as well.
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I've tried the 1A-LSD/ALD-52 (Same thing, I like the 1A nomenclature) to great enjoyment and can't wait to try the 1P I received to compare. Tangentially, the 1A-LSD @ 200mcg was indistinguishable from real L based on my experiences.
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ALD-52 is superior to 1P-LSD and pretty much all the other RC lysergamides too imo. The only reason to take 1P-LSD would be that its only 2.4€ per hit but then again i get real acid for even cheaper.
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1A is al-lad I presume? I need to order the ald-52, I have 50 1p, and 25 al-lad, need 50-100 ald-52 for my stock, I am down to about 10 hits of real Lsd.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Niffla]
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Hey dont be mad at me because 1p cant hold lsd 25s jock strap 
I aborted my trip because the chemical is weak.
It's better than the NBOMEs, though
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Bill_Oreilly said: Hey dont be mad at me because 1p cant hold lsd 25s jock strap 
I aborted my trip because the chemical is weak.
It's better than the NBOMEs, though
Nobody is mad at ya, champ. I really couldn't care less whether you like 1P or not. Keep doing you, home slice.
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Re: 1p-LSD ? [Re: Niffla]
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Now that i have done LSD I can also say that 1P is exactly the same aside from the come up. The come up is really drawn out for me with LSD, while 1P's come up is pretty quick. When i take 1P i'm feeling full effects within an hour, but with LSD its so drawn out i don't even know the exact timing lol i'd say an hour and a half to two before i'm really tripping. 1P also feels more stimulating and anxiety inducing during the come up, which has been said i think. As far as visuals and physical effects, they're pretty much the same.
Copied from the 1P thread in the other forum lol
My experience 
Its funny, i took a picture of myself while i was on 1P, and also while i was on LSD. In the 1P picture i visually look cracked out, like wide eyed and kind of crazy almost, in the LSD one i look super chill, eyes half closed. 
1P is a lot more stimulating for me, that's the biggest difference. Besides that, not much else.
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Mr. Magic said: Now that i have done LSD I can also say that 1P is exactly the same aside from the come up. The come up is really drawn out for me with LSD, while 1P's come up is pretty quick. When i take 1P i'm feeling full effects within an hour, but with LSD its so drawn out i don't even know the exact timing lol i'd say an hour and a half to two before i'm really tripping. 1P also feels more stimulating and anxiety inducing during the come up, which has been said i think. As far as visuals and physical effects, they're pretty much the same.
Copied from the 1P thread in the other forum lol
My experience 
Its funny, i took a picture of myself while i was on 1P, and also while i was on LSD. In the 1P picture i visually look cracked out, like wide eyed and kind of crazy almost, in the LSD one i look super chill, eyes half closed. 
1P is a lot more stimulating for me, that's the biggest difference. Besides that, not much else.
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Bill_Oreilly said: Hey dont be mad at me because 1p cant hold lsd 25s jock strap 
I aborted my trip because the chemical is weak.
It's better than the NBOMEs, though
No offense.... but you straight up said you didn't give it a fair chance... you shot heroin before it had barely started kicking in and you are complaining that it's weak?
And thinking it was the 1P that gave you nausea.... after you shot heroin 
No offense but I don't think you have the requisite experience to be calling it a weak chemical
I've been eating LSD 25 for like, 20+ years. I've doses over 500 times (hard to keep track) I cannot tell 1P apart from LSD-25. Aside from a slightly different come up for me (which could be completely placebo) - the trip is EXACTLY identical.
If you gave me a blind taste test I would not be able to tell them apart.
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Bill_Oreilly said: Hey dont be mad at me because 1p cant hold lsd 25s jock strap 
I aborted my trip because the chemical is weak.
It's better than the NBOMEs, though
No offense.... but you straight up said you didn't give it a fair chance... you shot heroin before it had barely started kicking in and you are complaining that it's weak?
And thinking it was the 1P that gave you nausea.... after you shot heroin 
No offense but I don't think you have the requisite experience to be calling it a weak chemical
I've been eating LSD 25 for like, 20+ years. I've doses over 500 times (hard to keep track) I cannot tell 1P apart from LSD-25. Aside from a slightly different come up for me (which could be completely placebo) - the trip is EXACTLY identical.
If you gave me a blind taste test I would not be able to tell them apart.
Hmm to be completely honest i probably could. 1P is very much more stimulating for me. Also i think the come up alone would give it away for me at least. My come up time between the two is very different. 1P comes on strong and feels like i get forced into the trip, whereas with LSD its really drawn out and chill. Like i can barely feel it coming up then BAM 2hrs later i realize im tripping, no anxiety or anything.
I agree though other than those things theyre the same trip.
A lot can play into how each trip goes but thats just my experience so far. I have a good supply of both, so there will be more testing.
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Bill_Oreilly
ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT)


Registered: 11/12/11
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1p felt hollow and "metallic" and just not smooth.
You can tell its a lysergamide and a decent one at that. Im just saying its not as good as LSD 25. I have yet to try LSZ or al
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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morrowasted
Worldwide Stepper



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The pharmacokinetic properties of 1P-LSD and LSD-25 differ because of the way they are metabolized even though they are both almost certainly the same chemical by the time they become active in the bloodstream. It's been argued that the early norepinerphrine agonism of 1p-LSD is stronger than that of LSD-25 because of this difference in pharmacokinetics, which accounts for a noticeably greater feeling of stimulation and, for some people, anxiety.
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