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SHJ
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Monotubs pinning issues
#23415621 - 07/06/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi guys! I have a problem with a few monotubs I'm currently running. One is not fruiting after almost 20 days since spawn. Two are fruiting badly, only near the liner. What do you think? Bad FAE? Side pinning? I'm considering in flipping the substrate upside down to see the situation and attemp eventually a bottom fruiting but I'd like to know your opinion before doing anything. Top holes are without polyfill but I live in a humid environment and I guess it's better this way. FAE seems ok, judging from dryspots... At day 12 or 13 I guess I've discovered that all monotubs have collected a lot of water under the liner, maybe this can help...
In the last picture you can see there are a few knots and some pins also in the middle of the substrate, but things are miserable also in this case...
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23415647 - 07/06/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I read a thread recently on here with similar issues (I'm also having the same) and they increased the FAE to get surface evaporation to increase, try that maybe
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: mycoic]
#23415706 - 07/06/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I already tried to leave the lid off for a few hours but I noticed a few spots with bruising mycelium even before all surface water evaporated. Can you link me that post please?
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23415901 - 07/06/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I may be off here, but i thought bruising was from direct contact with water etc, or extreme dryness of the substrate. I'll drag it up for you =)
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: mycoic]
#23415903 - 07/06/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: mycoic]
#23416166 - 07/06/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it drying up? Is there still good condensation on the walls with decent humidity? That looks like some thick ass myc. Lol.
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I left tubs opened for a few hours and this time this seems to work. At least for the best mono, now it's covered in knots and a few pins in the center. It bruised a bit but it's not really an issue I guess. I'm considering the idea of picking the biggest pins to get a more even pinset. I would appreciate a suggestion from an experienced user on this topic
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23416237 - 07/06/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh...and do you see that strange triangle in the second pic? Well...that's the shape of my lamp holder (and this happened again today )
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23416602 - 07/06/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just pick them as they mature. I don't think you're goin to get an even Pinset unless you clone, and set the conditions.
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23417038 - 07/06/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SHJ said: I left tubs opened for a few hours and this time this seems to work. At least for the best mono, now it's covered in knots and a few pins in the center. It bruised a bit but it's not really an issue I guess. I'm considering the idea of picking the biggest pins to get a more even pinset. I would appreciate a suggestion from an experienced user on this topic
Good to hear, a mate loosened and tightened his polyfill until it maintained humidity at minimal airflow, misted a bit and now cranking fanning to evap the surface. hopefully it works too haha
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: mycoic]
#23417160 - 07/06/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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20 days since spawning isn't that long....
is your polyfill stuffed in super tight?
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Yeah just be patient, looks good to me. The substrate looks a little dry. I have been told the biggest pinning trigger is evaporation at substrate level, so maybe a light misting just to cover the surface with moisture will help you. To maintain humidity levels you may benefit from a very small amount of polyfil in the top two holes.
Also what variety are you growing? How did you prepare your substrate? Could you show a pic of the entire fruiting chamber from the outside?
Here is a pic of a tub I did awhile back at day 10 into colonization, you can see a lot more moisture on the surface:

This image is 9 days after the picture taken above (9 days into fruiting conditions), you can see I dried the sub out a bit:
Edited by Perception7 (07/06/16 02:57 PM)
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Quote:
PsilocyBen17 said: 20 days since spawning isn't that long....
is your polyfill stuffed in super tight?
Quite tight, yes.
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Perception7 said: Yeah just be patient, looks good to me. The substrate looks a little dry. I have been told the biggest pinning trigger is evaporation at substrate level, so maybe a light misting just to cover the surface with moisture will help you. To maintain humidity levels you may benefit from a very small amount of polyfil in the top two holes.
Here RH is +70%, and I usually have more troubles with polyfil in top holes. I'm currently out of it also, so this time I'll just take an eye to lightly mist in case substrate dries too much...
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23417327 - 07/06/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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got an old pillow? Lol
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23417346 - 07/06/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SHJ said:
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PsilocyBen17 said: 20 days since spawning isn't that long....
is your polyfill stuffed in super tight?
Quite tight, yes.
losen it up a bit. Fresh air is a pinning trigger. Look up How Frank Does Monotubs for info on how to dial it in
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: TeeRoy87]
#23418980 - 07/07/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I loosened it a bit after noticing that the "biggest" pinset is in the monotub with super tight poly, and in any case the vast majority of them where near bottom holes. So, I suspect there was stagnant air and too little FAE at substrate level. Now I used the remaining poly for top holes, to help with humidity... Let's see!
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23419230 - 07/07/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had the same issue with this one op

Happened everytime I tried dunking my grain spawn....it was the oddest thing since the others did well.... I attributed it to bacteria retained during the dunk.... not 100% sure what is up with yours.
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: HybridprX]
#23419350 - 07/07/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: I had the same issue with this one op

Happened everytime I tried dunking my grain spawn....it was the oddest thing since the others did well.... I attributed it to bacteria retained during the dunk.... not 100% sure what is up with yours.
How it did for second flush? I can't see holes in your fc...am I right?
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23419425 - 07/07/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah man I don't see any holes in there.....so what exactly are you stuffing with Poly?
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Did you guys case that? If not do so
EDIT; SHJ you should have holes on the top of your monotub as well. Those are to fit losely while the bottom ones a little tighter
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23419582 - 07/07/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course I have top holes. I didnt cased, and I was wondering if it would be too late to do it now
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23419624 - 07/07/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah okay I didn't see them in the pic, tub is deeper than I thought 
I've cased at this stage before, I would go for it. Safest way is just to hydrate some verm, bring to field capacity and case it
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23419672 - 07/07/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know... I'm really considering the idea of picking the few early shrooms to fast a bit the "second" flush. In two weeks I'll be out of city so it would be shitty if a casing would make flush come later...
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23421968 - 07/07/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quick update. I have the impression that my top holes are too high, and do produce FAE, but not a good one near substrate level, not promoting good evaporation. So, I decided to do two more holes at 5,5 inches or so from substrate, in one of the monotubs, and covered the old one. In one hour or so I'll check for dry rings to have a clue, and in case I'll like it I'll repeat the operation on the others monos. Also, my bottom holes are too high too (1 inch, maybe 1,5 from substrate), but it would be very difficult to do 4 more holes at sub level without risking in damaging it, so I'll leave them for this run and maybe rearrange for next round.
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23422111 - 07/08/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SHJ said: Quick update. I have the impression that my top holes are too high, and do produce FAE, but not a good one near substrate level, not promoting good evaporation. So, I decided to do two more holes at 5,5 inches or so from substrate, in one of the monotubs, and covered the old one. In one hour or so I'll check for dry rings to have a clue, and in case I'll like it I'll repeat the operation on the others monos. Also, my bottom holes are too high too (1 inch, maybe 1,5 from substrate), but it would be very difficult to do 4 more holes at sub level without risking in damaging it, so I'll leave them for this run and maybe rearrange for next round.
Do you have evap rings on your top holes?
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23422123 - 07/08/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You don't need more than 6 holes in your mono with a 2.5inch diameter. The bottom ones should be around 1inch-2inches above substrate level
Here is how you can dial in your monotub; https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777
If you're having trouble with evaporation try to loosen the top holes and if the top ones are already loose try and loosen a bit the bottom ones or add a fan in a room with it pointing AWAY from the monotub to allow good circulation
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23422330 - 07/08/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do have rings around holes.
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Rosen_Rot said: You don't need more than 6 holes in your mono with a 2.5inch diameter. The bottom ones should be around 1inch-2inches above substrate level
Here is how you can dial in your monotub; https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777
If you're having trouble with evaporation try to loosen the top holes and if the top ones are already loose try and loosen a bit the bottom ones or add a fan in a room with it pointing AWAY from the monotub to allow good circulation
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SHJ said: So, I decided to do two more holes at 5,5 inches or so from substrate, in one of the monotubs, and covered the old one.
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23422348 - 07/08/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't understand what your point is but your problem is your FAE not the height your holes are at
Drilling more holes in your mono higher isn't gonna make a difference if you have poor air circulation and too tight of polyfill. Fix that and you'll get more pinning
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23422411 - 07/08/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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New setup. I really would stack my tubs, but I cant because I bought these damn black things and light can pass only by the lid  Suggestions?
 (Please ignore those sad blocks on the top)
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23422413 - 07/08/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why don't you make a strip light with white and blue LEDs?
That way you can give maximum light vertically
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23422418 - 07/08/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was thinking that...but for this run I'm not gonna do it cause I dont have time right now. For the next tubs I guess I'm gonna simply buy some clear and little shorter tubs
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23422422 - 07/08/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If it's any reassurance I have a few tubs which are all black as well but I give them light from the top and spread all across. I also had some tubs sit in the dark for a long time, way past their fruiting condition, and they still pinned and fruited
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23425317 - 07/09/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure I finally understood where my problem is. My substrate was too wet. This also explains why tubs are fruiting near the edges: not (only) because of lack of fae, but because the wettest part of the substrate is of course the center. This is why I've found a lot of water below liners a week or two ago. How do I discovered that? Well... Look at this.

This substrate was fruiting in open air due to lack of tubs (and showed no pins nor knots at that time). One day, one of my regular tubs showed some pin mold. Substrate went in the garden, and that open air substrate was moved in this free tub. But, during the transfer, I messed it and substrate cracked. Now, for an emergency in my family, I had to run away and leave everything as it was, with the substrate in open air. And it remained this way of one day or two. When I came back home I was pretty confident it was only good for composting...but I had nothing to loose and I put it in the container anyway, with a few good mistings. Now is pinning more nicely than my regular tubs! I'm confident now that coming flushes are gonna be nice
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23425453 - 07/09/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nice! looks good, I drilled 4 new holes just above the substrate now to increase evap, has worked a lot better so far..
still no pinning for me =(
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23425535 - 07/09/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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SHJ said: I'm pretty sure I finally understood where my problem is. My substrate was too wet. This also explains why tubs are fruiting near the edges: not (only) because of lack of fae, but because the wettest part of the substrate is of course the center. This is why I've found a lot of water below liners a week or two ago. How do I discovered that? Well... Look at this.

This substrate was fruiting in open air due to lack of tubs (and showed no pins nor knots at that time). One day, one of my regular tubs showed some pin mold. Substrate went in the garden, and that open air substrate was moved in this free tub. But, during the transfer, I messed it and substrate cracked. Now, for an emergency in my family, I had to run away and leave everything as it was, with the substrate in open air. And it remained this way of one day or two. When I came back home I was pretty confident it was only good for composting...but I had nothing to loose and I put it in the container anyway, with a few good mistings. Now is pinning more nicely than my regular tubs! I'm confident now that coming flushes are gonna be nice
I wanna see how the dissection of the mold went. I've heard once it starts forming mold its better to just get the whole sub outside asap, due to the mold starting to sporulate. Curious to see how this goes now. 
Seems like you had some decent pins going thou! mold =
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Edited by Ziran (07/09/16 03:12 AM)
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: Ziran]
#23425603 - 07/09/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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In fact I moved away the contaminated tub, I didn't dissected it (you should never do such a think, by the way)
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Re: Monotubs pinning issues [Re: SHJ]
#23427238 - 07/09/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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dayum. Where did those huge gaps come from?
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