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Open Source Cactus Tar
    #23413265 - 07/05/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hello, forum.
I am looking for some assistance here. Maybe we can help each other out? I am resposting this from the original document.  The goal here is to produce a cactus reduction/tar of comparable quality to those made via IPA soaking, but requiring less solvent than is called for with these alcohol isolates. The initial extractions having been a success, I am looking for a way to improve and/or simplify the recipe.

Background:
My research has lead me to early 20th century patents which describe processes for phyto-extraction not yet attempted in pedro/torch/achuma teks I found online. Of particular note are the processes of treating the pectin-like polysaccharide mucilage with aluminum salts (alum), the adsorption of phytochemicals onto the surface certain minerals/compunds (acid bentonite, agar, and aluminum hydroxide from the alum/lime reaction) and the elution of alkaloids into selected solvents (acidic/basic everclear). Both processes—the selective capture and release of target compounds—are relatively accessible, both conceptually and materially, to laymen (like me). The process of desolubilizing pectin-like cactus slime with alum, adsorption of desired alkaloids onto seaweed (agar) and minerals and elution into alcohol seem safe, relative to established methods, and might be used to good effect as an adjunct to standard mescaline (and dmt?) extractions.

Materials

Dried Cactus
Everclear (151)
Alum (aluminum sulfate, but potassium alum should work)
Bentonite clay (fuller's earth, silicon dioxide, activated charcoal, or diatomaceous earth MIGHT work)
Calcium Hydroxide
Agar
Acetic acid (glacial, but vinegar should work)

Procedure

I measured 100g of dry Peruvian Torch chips. (original tek @ dmt-nexus)
I then made a solution of 75% EtOH/H2O (Everclear brand) saturated with Aluminum Sulfate (alum), dissolved by rigorous shaking until no more would go into solution.
This alum saturated everclear was added to cactus chips, just enough to cover. An additional tablespoon (aprox) of dry alum was later added directly to the soggy chips.
This was left for about 18 hrs at room temp, by which time cactus had absorbed all of the liquid.
This was placed onto a food dehydrator sheet and dried at 125F (52C) for about 12 hrs.

The dried alum treated cactus took on a distinctly hard, brittle, rock texture and appearance (like a box of pebbles). This was ground with a coffee mill into powder.

I added 25-30grams of bentonite, a natural silicate clay ("aztec secret" brand), to the milled powder.
A solution of 3g agar powder (telephone brand) stirred into 1L (+/-) of cold H2O then brought to a boil until agar was dissolved and "bloomed." This was mixed by hand into the cactus/alum powder and poured into large ice cube trays. The total volume of the liquid at the point was less than 1.5L. These ice cube trays were placed in the freezer for 12 (+/-) hrs to allow agar to set and then freeze completely.
The green cactus cubes are put onto a dehyrdrator tray and dried at 125F for 12-18hrs, breaking up the drying cubes into smaller pieces every few hours. The cactus cubes went from ice, to jello, to spongy/slimy, leathery, then brittle and dry with the final consistency of similar to chunky cornflakes (but to be more accurate, if obscure, the stuff feels exactly like the textured soy protein isolate/TVP dried chunks sold in bulk sections of healthfood stores in North America.)

These crushed cactus/agar/alum chunks were powdered in the coffee mill. The milled powder was combined with 100g of CaOH (wages brand). This flour was covered with 50/50 EtOH/H2O to a mudpie consistency (like a pancake batter). As expected the alum and lime reacted at this point (fizzing, foaming like baking soda/vinegar, but milder/slower). The bowl went into the dehyrdator (150f) for 2-3hrs until it had a more cookie/biscuit dough texture and could be scooped into "cookie" sized portions and placed onto the dehydrator sheet and "baked" at 125-150f (forgot) for 2-3 hrs until dry and crumbly. This was crumbled into a powder and put back in the dehydrator till dry. This greyish powder had an aromatic/mediciny smell distinct from the plaster smell of lime. This was covered with approx 500-600ml of everclear and placed on a magnetic stirrer for 48hrs.

This was decanted, then poured through coffee filters to separate particulates. This filtered solution was placed into a pyrex dish, adding to this a probably excessive amount of glacial acetic acid (about 5-10ml?). This was evaporated to about 1/2-1/3 at which point insoluble compounds were visible as particulates. These were removed by paper coffee filters.

This lighter, transparent acetate liquid was put into the dehydrator at 125f for about 12hrs until the liquid is evaporated.

The acetate tar was scraped off the baking dish easily and collected for assay or further extraction.



100g PT≈4g of aceTar


There you go. 2g bio-assayed was an active dose (++) lasting well over 18hrs.

What tweaks/improvements can be made here?

More than one pull?

Can/should the dried tar product be dissolved in 99%IPA to eliminate more undesirable compounds?

What part(s) of this elaborate, Rube Goldberg of a recipe, can/should be omitted or combined for a simpler route to the same results? Nix the agar? No need for bentonite?

Is this adaptable to DMT extraction from leaves/bark?

Are there any steps that seem glaringly counterproductive or redundant; or does the whole procedure qualify for the dustbin of ideas?

Any feedback would be appreciated. Cheers,

-some black guy

Edited by stonedboat (07/05/16 10:38 AM)

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Re: Open Source Cactus Tar [Re: stonedboat] * 1
    #23414425 - 07/05/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Man I wish had something to add but you seem to be lightyears ahead of me. I doubt I could even follow along with this tek without screwing up, although now I really want to. If you ever get the time you should make a video to go along with this.

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Re: Open Source Cactus Tar [Re: Ulyssies]
    #23414566 - 07/05/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Woww incredible first post......! I love mescaline its my favorite psychedelic!  Ive always just done the simple IPA extraction  and it always works good for me this tek looks almost like a acid base extraction

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Re: Open Source Cactus Tar [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23414568 - 07/05/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Oh yeah and you mention more than one pull? Whenevr doing a extract always pull till no color is left!


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Re: Open Source Cactus Tar [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23414982 - 07/05/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the quick responses! I'd figured as much: 2+ pulls will be the next version (even some stb call for more than one pull). The faint yellow (weak as nun's piss) of the final filtered stuff made me think it got most/or all of the alks. But color is really no indicator of alk content in other cacteks). I think using the mag stir plate vs shaking makes some difference too... Next version: 2x pulls.

Don't mistake the over-elaborateness of this recipe for any kind of sophistication—it's a hack job for sure. Still I think I just make it look harder by explaining it vs how it would look in real time. It's cake compared to limo teks I've tried (not great results for the effort and a lot of waste if you're a not cleaning the limo) and... e-m-u-l-s-i-o-n-s (losses).

Plus I like keeping everything together (pulling from plant material direct to final extract rather than an acid wash that leaves some alks behind in cactus material, then defat (takes some alks with the fat)... then fb/pull to NP (leaving some alks behind in the aq. solution) THEN pulling to vinegar/acid water (leaves some behind in NP). From what I glean some loss comes from the only slightly non-polar mescaline fb being ambiguously soluble in both water and some NPs, so that it doesn't migrate as efficiently/cleanly to the organic solvent layer e.g. the more non-polar dmt fb). Anyway it's messy.

But like I say: for all we know you could accomplish the aceTar or a better product by omitting/combing any of these adsorption media. Or using one I haven't tied yet (gelatin, isinglass, alternative minerals for flocculation, adsorption)... But before I go screwing with that stuff here's the next mod.

AceTar 1.1

—2x pulls!

—99% ISOpropyl Alc for final extraction (maybe?)

Mescaline fb has been described as "very soluble" in IPA by authoritative web sources. I was using IPA (91%) up till this point for the standard ISO tar. Works great, but have never done a side-by-side comparison w/everclear. I'm afraid of IPA x2 pulling a lot more non-polar lipid/wax vs EtOH) SO...

—"Winterize" the filtered extract

Winterization is a standard in purifying IPA cannabis oil extracts. The alcohol solution goes into the freezer for 24-48hrs to precipitate waxes and fats. These are easily filtered out before the final evap.

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Re: Open Source Cactus Tar [Re: stonedboat]
    #23415006 - 07/05/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

...or using fumaric/citric rather than glacial?? Something tells me that'll just add bulk and mess up the final filtration steps, I don't know tho.

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