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Offlineclock_of_omens
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23429853 - 07/10/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also, what is this obsession you have with dogs? Very strange.


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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
    #23430100 - 07/10/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not sure why you're going on about blame. I can't see how that comes into it in any way.

You can only suffer if you identify with the illusion. That's true even of someone being torn apart by wild dogs.

If you say "But suffering is reasonable under those circumstances" then it's clear that you do not understand what suffering is or what ultimately causes it.




Okay, so are you saying that you are as advanced than the Vietnamese monk who calmly immolated himself?




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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23430301 - 07/10/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Lol, ridiculous. Next time I see someone getting torn apart by dogs I'll make sure to inform them that their suffering is only an illusion.




It's better to put in the work before the wild dogs stage, fortunately you have had plenty of forewarning that you will die one day, so if you haven't got used to the idea by now it's a bit tragic.


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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23430316 - 07/10/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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viktor said:
I'm not sure why you're going on about blame. I can't see how that comes into it in any way.

You can only suffer if you identify with the illusion. That's true even of someone being torn apart by wild dogs.

If you say "But suffering is reasonable under those circumstances" then it's clear that you do not understand what suffering is or what ultimately causes it.




Okay, so are you saying that you are as advanced than the Vietnamese monk who calmly immolated himself?







Protip: that guy isn't 'advanced', he just has a lack of being fucked in the head. That is to say, he has not regressed, unlike everyone else.


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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
    #23430324 - 07/10/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:archiebunker:


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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
    #23430591 - 07/10/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Protip: that guy isn't 'advanced', he just has a lack of being fucked in the head. That is to say, he has not regressed, unlike everyone else.




I think it's more realistic to posit that some people suffer and some people don't.  To dismiss any creature that is not enlightened enough not to suffer seems silly to me.  Perhaps in a perfect world our "regressions" would be reversed.  This is not that world.  Your pronouncements seem supercilious.


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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23431072 - 07/11/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nah

Suffering comes from wanting things, that's all there is to it.

The monk in the image above simply doesn't want to be not on fire.

All denial of the simplicity of it is neurosis.


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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23431187 - 07/11/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Many animals are quite complex. That doesn't mean they can engage in anything resembling "human-style rational thought" which is dependent on the use of human language. Nor does it mean that they can understand human created concepts expressed in human language.




Some animals have a complex enough brain that they are capable of resembling human-style rational and thought. A parrot named Alex that was part of a 21 year experiment went through a training program that taught him to differentiate between friend and foe with the model/rival training technique.
http://www.birdchannel.com/bird-behavior-and-training/bird-training/model-rival-technique-african-greys.aspx

A parrot possessing human-style rational depends upon it's ability to distinguish multiple perspectives of a situation. 

It seems the ability to conceptualise is more effective at training animals than trying to teach them a particular language.


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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
    #23431600 - 07/11/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Nah

Suffering comes from wanting things, that's all there is to it.

The monk in the image above simply doesn't want to be not on fire.

All denial of the simplicity of it is neurosis.




You have an interesting attitude.  'ppreciate the discussion. :thumbup:


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