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Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable?
#23413928 - 07/05/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why is there any reason for all of this to keep going? We simply can't learn to not judge one another and to just be free and unburdened by ignorance.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: yeah]
#23414005 - 07/05/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Humanity is a bunch of people making humour.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: yeah]
#23414057 - 07/05/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah said: Why is there any reason for all of this to keep going? We simply can't learn to not judge one another and to just be free and unburdened by ignorance.
"Why is there any reason for all of this to keep going? '
maybe one of Newtons laws? : inertia
or another version ie. Karma aka cause & effect
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"We simply can't learn to not judge one another"
for those of us who notice the problem, we can make efforts to change. Tonglen, a Tibetan way of working on oneself deals with this for example. Pema Chodron makes it acessable to western meditators: https://www.youtube.com/resuclts?search_query=pema+chodron
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: yeah]
#23414441 - 07/05/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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'Rome wasn't built in a day.'
In other words, civilization formed for very specific reasons over a long period of time and became entrenched. Anything other than civilization would therefore be very difficult to come by. Radical change is seen as virtually impossible. Certainly, when you really get right down to it, at a fundamental level there has never really been change that is all that radical -- at least not in a short time span. The system is, as laughingdog attested, very, very inert.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23414448 - 07/05/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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IMO, yes. We fucked up when we broke tribal culture IMO.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23414456 - 07/05/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anthropologist Jared Diamond called the adoption of full-scale agriculture "the worst mistake in the history of the human race." When you look at the facts it's hard to disagree.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: yeah]
#23414479 - 07/05/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i've heard an analogy before that people are like rocks in a rock tumbler - they bump and grate against each other (and the sand), and through this, they get refined and come out as polished gems
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23414543 - 07/05/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: Anthropologist Jared Diamond called the adoption of full-scale agriculture "the worst mistake in the history of the human race." When you look at the facts it's hard to disagree.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. When we stopped taking what we NEED and starting making what we WANT was where it all went wrong IMO.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23414572 - 07/05/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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To quote Nirvana, "I'm worst at what I do best."
Seems what sets us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom (namely, rational thought) is what we keep letting get in our way. I think the cycle can be broken, but the change takes place on an individual level before a systemic level.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#23414743 - 07/05/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe the rest of the animal world is too intelligent to get caught in human-style rational thought
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clock_of_omens
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23414761 - 07/05/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah said: Why is there any reason for all of this to keep going?
Because there is plenty of good along with the shit, and the alternative is just not existing. Who wants that?
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DividedQuantum said: Anthropologist Jared Diamond called the adoption of full-scale agriculture "the worst mistake in the history of the human race." When you look at the facts it's hard to disagree.
I found that article to be pretty ridiculous. If we were still hunter gatherers we would not have to the same degree the culture, science, art, well-being, etc. that we have. He is idealizing a way of life that is too far gone to even properly consider. The remaining people who somewhat follow that life-style aren't a sufficient look into pre-agriculture humanity.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
#23414769 - 07/05/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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viktor said: Maybe the rest of the animal world is too intelligent to get caught in human-style rational thought 
"Human-style rational thought" is the only thing stopping us from living like the rest of the animals. It's the thing that provides basically all the things that make life worth living.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23414792 - 07/05/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: It's the thing that provides basically all the things that make life worth living.
Urrrr, I disagree wholeheartedly.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23414803 - 07/05/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The question of modern life is WHERE AM I
The question of PRESENT life is WHO AM I
The PRESENT is YOU
The environment asks the questions and provides the answers
The whole thing is a conundrum
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23414806 - 07/05/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Care to give some reasoning as to why that is? It gives us the ability to create art and understand the world through science. Even if you want to argue that ways of feeling are what make life worth living and that other animals can feel, it is "human-style rational thought" that gives us the ability to contextualize and consider those emotions instead of just having brute feeling.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23414864 - 07/05/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said:
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viktor said: Maybe the rest of the animal world is too intelligent to get caught in human-style rational thought 
"Human-style rational thought" is the only thing stopping us from living like the rest of the animals. It's the thing that provides basically all the things that make life worth living.
Gotta disagree with this. Do you think dogs hanging out on street corners think to themselves "Man I wish I could post on the Shroomery, I am so deprived"?
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
#23414897 - 07/05/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Uh...no. That's exactly my point. Would you honestly rather switch places with that dog?
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
#23414901 - 07/05/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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viktor said:
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clock_of_omens said:
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viktor said: Maybe the rest of the animal world is too intelligent to get caught in human-style rational thought 
"Human-style rational thought" is the only thing stopping us from living like the rest of the animals. It's the thing that provides basically all the things that make life worth living.
Gotta disagree with this. Do you think dogs hanging out on street corners think to themselves "Man I wish I could post on the Shroomery, I am so deprived"?
Non sequitar.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23415000 - 07/05/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: Uh...no. That's exactly my point. Would you honestly rather switch places with that dog?
Why not? Dogs seem to desire less than people do, they seem almost as chilled as cats for the most part. I've not observed much mental illness or internal distress in dogs, whereas I've never met a sane human being.
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Re: Is humanity just a bunch of people making themselves and everyone else miserable? [Re: viktor]
#23415053 - 07/05/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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viktor said: I've never met a sane human being.
Neither have I. But neither have I met a sane dog; I feel anything raised by humans cannot ever be 'sane'. I've only seen them videod in packs where they still exist as wolves.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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