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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: spacechildo]
    #23471890 - 07/24/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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that link is 12 yrs old and most pics there are of MJ :lol:
We've sure come a long way! "casings" we just call trays now, less confusion.
Not really sure where it says to recase or that dunking causes contams tho? :confused2:




The contams part was me fusing this thread with the thread from Mycotopia sort of like a pros and cons analysis. I thought well if this thread says you should just mist and this thread says it can increase contams to dunk...maybe I should second guess what I have done in the past and recase instead of dunk.

In other words, I found two threads that were questioning dunking and I brought opinions from both threads into this thread. The biggest aha moment for me here is the time aspect. Shroomery is probably one of few places online where the information actually does get collectively smarter/more accurate over time since the members police bad information.

On other forums a thread from 10 years ago may still very well be more valid than a thread from today because they don't keep it clean.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta] * 1
    #23472246 - 07/24/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The beautiful thing about a casing layer is that it's the one that will dry out first. The sub needs to be dunked/bottom watered in order to rehydrate when it's dry since it's so densely colonized by the mycelium but a proper casing layer is only partially colonized. This makes it hydrate easily with misting alone.

Stick to newer stuff to avoid this type of inaccurate info. Some folks don't even dunk between the 1st and 2nd flushes, a heavy misting will do just as good in most cases.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23472562 - 07/24/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The beautiful thing about a casing layer is that it's the one that will dry out first. The sub needs to be dunked/bottom watered in order to rehydrate when it's dry since it's so densely colonized by the mycelium but a proper casing layer is only partially colonized. This makes it hydrate easily with misting alone.

Stick to newer stuff to avoid this type of inaccurate info. Some folks don't even dunk between the 1st and 2nd flushes, a heavy misting will do just as good in most cases.




Agreed. If I would have handled it right from the beginning the casing would have been sufficient. Hopefully the short dunk I did last night will help turn things around. I like the fact that I only dunked for a few hours in this specific scenario.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23488656 - 07/29/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alright...this is starting to frustrate me. I have never had this many issues in the past. It could just be that I switched from using monotubs to a tent with a coolmist I suppose. Maybe someone can help diagnose. Here is a log of what has happened so far:

- A little over 3 weeks ago I introduced the rye/compost trays with casing to fruiting conditions in a small grow tent.
- Mesh viewing windows were closed and opened at various points of the day to allow for more FAE
- Coolmist humidifier was running inside the tent at all times (Probably way too much airflow.)
- Visible mist ultrasonic on a timer every 30 minutes (This unit has a dial to control how much mist)

Note: I know that there are mistakes I made above including too much air movement in the tent (especially when coupled with open viewing windows), not misting, etc. It was always wet inside the tent due to the temp reduction caused by the interior cool mist which made the ultrasonic mist condense. Long story short, I was experimenting and I knew I was experimenting...probably shouldn't have. I realized they were too dry and then:

- Removed interior coolmist
- Rinsed off casing layer and dunked for two hours
- Placed back into fruiting conditions
- Started misting multiple times a day (fine mist letting it settle on the surface)
- Turned up ultrasonic to maintain 90%+ humidity on the hygrometer (I have read that these can be misleading)
- Noticed some pins and thought the dunk had worked
- Pins aborted (I believe these were actually from the first "flush")
- Just removed aborts and placed back into fruiting conditions

It still looks too dry. At this point I feel like I need to do a full dunk, but why is it so difficult to get the conditions right? People successfully use this setup all the time...why is it giving me so many issues? Do you guys have suggestions? Should I do a full dunk? If I can't get it to work this way I will just go back to my tried and true.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23488664 - 07/29/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A picture's worth a thousand words, and you're about 650 words short.  Why not just make it easy for us?


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Inocuole]
    #23489077 - 07/29/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I will upload some pics asap.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23489112 - 07/29/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alright here are some pics:







Let me know if you need a different angle or closer etc. I appreciate everyone's help with this.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23489122 - 07/29/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Definitely looks off.  Why did you switch to this if you were using monos and they worked?  A greenhouse is generally considered more difficult to dial in so, if you aren't intimately familiar with reading the substrate it could be a long arduous path to success.

It looks simultaneously too wet and somewhat dry, like it's been through both recently.  If you're sure it's not waterlogged just dunk it and leave it alone for a while.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Inocuole]
    #23489158 - 07/29/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Definitely looks off.  Why did you switch to this if you were using monos and they worked?  A greenhouse is generally considered more difficult to dial in so, if you aren't intimately familiar with reading the substrate it could be a long arduous path to success.

It looks simultaneously too wet and somewhat dry, like it's been through both recently.  If you're sure it's not waterlogged just dunk it and leave it alone for a while.




I switched to experiment...just wanted to give it a go. I just didn't figure I would have so many issues. This myc has been so slow since day one though and is MS...that could have some affect here.

If it fails it isn't the end of the world in my case, although I would love to have a successful go again. I might just switch back to monotubs for my next run. I suppose it could be waterlogged and I'm reading it as dry...it just doesn't seem like that is the case. I am used to seeing a little bit of softness/fuzziness when it is healthy. This looks kind of tough in person.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23489166 - 07/29/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wanted to add one more pic. I realized that the 3rd pic above looks worse than it really does in person. I turned off the flash so it looks more natural.



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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23489195 - 07/29/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Definitely looks off.  Why did you switch to this if you were using monos and they worked?  A greenhouse is generally considered more difficult to dial in so, if you aren't intimately familiar with reading the substrate it could be a long arduous path to success.

It looks simultaneously too wet and somewhat dry, like it's been through both recently.  If you're sure it's not waterlogged just dunk it and leave it alone for a while.




I switched to experiment..




What was your hypothesis?


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23489317 - 07/29/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Definitely looks off.  Why did you switch to this if you were using monos and they worked?  A greenhouse is generally considered more difficult to dial in so, if you aren't intimately familiar with reading the substrate it could be a long arduous path to success.

It looks simultaneously too wet and somewhat dry, like it's been through both recently.  If you're sure it's not waterlogged just dunk it and leave it alone for a while.




I switched to experiment..




What was your hypothesis?




How did I know someone was going to say something like that? How about instead of experiment I just say "Tried something different".


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23489327 - 07/29/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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MrPeanutButta said:
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Definitely looks off.  Why did you switch to this if you were using monos and they worked?  A greenhouse is generally considered more difficult to dial in so, if you aren't intimately familiar with reading the substrate it could be a long arduous path to success.

It looks simultaneously too wet and somewhat dry, like it's been through both recently.  If you're sure it's not waterlogged just dunk it and leave it alone for a while.




I switched to experiment..




What was your hypothesis?




How did I know someone was going to say something like that? How about instead of experiment I just say "Tried something different".




Sorry man I just tire of seeing that word used. It's like the whipping boy of every ill conceived plan ever attempted. It's at the point where if I do a side by side with controls I call it a side by side with controls, simply cause I cannot bear to use that word.

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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23489358 - 07/29/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fair enough lol. I had the feeling when I typed it out. Trust me, I would never call the results a finding haha.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23489532 - 07/29/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sorry man I just tire of seeing that word used. It's like the whipping boy of every ill conceived plan ever attempted. It's at the point where if I do a side by side with controls I call it a side by side with controls, simply cause I cannot bear to use that word.

:kingcrankey:




That word aside, do you have any thoughts on the pics I posted up? From my experience they definitely don't look like they are a loss, I'm just having trouble getting it back on track. Maybe I won't be able to recover...if not i'll just move on and learn from my mistakes.


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    #23489560 - 07/29/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like conditions need improving. Not much more can be said. They might bounce back. They might just trich out and die. All you can do is dial in better and hope.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23489799 - 07/29/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I agree. I strayed from what I knew and this is the consequence. At this point I will just keep pushing forward to see if I can dial in the proper environment. If I can't I will just switch back to tubs for now.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: MrPeanutButta]
    #23491392 - 07/30/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

While I agree that the word "experiment" is far too often used after people are told that they are doing something wrong, I wouldn't boycott it :tongue:. One could simply experiment to see what methods/materials work best for him, given that the method/materials being switched are commonly used.

For example, people usually dial in their tubs either with the tight/loose poly or med poly all around. One could experiment with one after using the other exclusively in the past to see which works best for him. I see that as an acceptable use of the word. I think OP's use of the word is acceptable as well, after all, he is experimenting with GH's after using monotubs successfully (from what I can gather from his posts) just to see if one works better for his needs than the other.

When someone attempts one of those of "experiments" using a mushroom cap positioned instead of the lid on top of an LC jar however, well... I can stop right there probably, you all know what I'm about to say. All I would do in this case is blame the OP for the retardedness of his method, rather than the phrasing he used :lol: The word "experimentation" seems to be a good way to escape facepalms for some, making it worse in the end.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23491496 - 07/30/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I guess.  Experimental music and sexual experimentation don't require a hypothesis.


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Re: Yeast After G2G [Re: Inocuole]
    #23492680 - 07/30/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think if you guys knew me in person it would calm your thoughts on my individual use of the word. Trust me I know there are a lot of immature kids doing this that throw it around all of the time either as a way of sounding official or as you pointed out to explain away ideas that are just flat out stupid.

I believe that I had a string of threads and posts over the past couple of months that have projected me in this light. The fact is that I am just a busy guy who took a long break and lost my groove. The past month has been like muscle memory...all of your responses have triggered memory recall from my past experience.

I can totally respect you all trying to keep this forum clean and promoting a more serious tone when it comes to cultivating mushrooms. Without some patrolling this site could easily become a bunch of 21 year old Spicoli's who just want to do it because it's cool, or because they want to rake in the cash.

I will try to make sure with each post that I am promoting the best environment for learning and advancement, so that all of the newbs who are serious have a place that they can trust will have accurate information.


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