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OfflineClintMassey
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MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR
    #23412645 - 07/05/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hi there everybody I just wanted to start my second diary that has started on 3.7.2016

Strain - Psilocybe cubensis-MALABAR

Grow method - I used a somewhat bigger plastic tray i think its 3,5 liters maybe more and just poured around 1,5 liter of spawn on the bottom and put sterilized (perlite/vermiculite 50/50) mix as a casing layer

Spawn - Corn seeds and has fully recovered and was all white one day after shaking and pouring into tray

I left this tray with a wet casing on top so it has humidity all over the sides of the plastic and some rhizomorphic growth is visible poking into the begining of the casing going trought the casing mix

Plan is to let the spawn poke trough the casing and let most of the casing get covered with as much as possible mycelium and than put it into pinning mode but into the plastic grow bag with the filter
due to the thickness of the casing It should produce many pins because it has a lot of space that it cannot inoculate and can only grow in a rhizomorphical root pattern poking out trough the perlite/vermiculte mix so it should produce many poking sites to get to the surface of the casing and begin to form its web on the casing

I will let this one take care of itself,I covered the whole thing with aluminum foil an simply punctured 9 holes on the foil and left it for GE
the spawning temperatures of this one is a little higher around 27,28 degrees celzius right now

MALABAR is a strain that performs great in higher temperatures due to its origin,it comes from India so we shall see how this one performs
I dont have anymore prints and my syringes got contaminated so this was the last of my spawn and I need to make myself some more prints
I started this one of grains but due to the fact that my syringe is contaminated with some mold I recovered this one on agar from a grain and I isolated a specific growth pattern that I liked the most

I still have 4 malabar colonies on agar plates but none of them is isolated

I want talk anymore this is another project to see the best method for gaining the most pins yield per size of the tray
Enjoy following here are the pictures









I know humidity is high but its a ribbed type tray and most of the water droplets dont touch the spawn at all but here is the reason...casing layer was pretty wet and my grains was dry ass hell so It kinda compensate one another.
I soaked the perlite and vermiculite pretty bad and mixed it then pressure cooked them together so it had alot of water,i needed to pur the excess water out of the jar and let it cool down for a day
Once I applied the casing and sealed the tray with foil it made its own climate,spawn seems to love it though by the speed of recovery and new growth

Peace and I will keep updates once things get a little more interesting,The spawn still needs to really recolonise itself fully and poke its way trough the casing so until then...


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23412784 - 07/05/16 06:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"sterilized (perlite/vermiculite 50/50) mix as a casing layer"

^^this doesnt sound right to me...^^

but good luck buddy! good vibes from me anyway and hope you get something out of it.


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23412800 - 07/05/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MycoLoopology said:
"sterilized (perlite/vermiculite 50/50) mix as a casing layer"

^^this doesnt sound right to me...^^

but good luck buddy! good vibes from me anyway and hope you get something out of it.



Thanks mate...I considered casing it with coco coir again but I wanted to try how would it be just to make a non organic casing over pure spawn,I seen some pretty decent ones in that mushroom grow kit schemes so that s aproximatelly the same thing,I know it s not a usual casing but I think it will be ok I didnt want just vermiculite cause perlite gives it a little aeration and still retains moisture to some degree,I will do the fanning misting by hand too so I think it will turn out just fine...we shall see,I think it will give out mushrooms whatewer the csing is as long as it is clean and in a good environment

And yes I just figured out its not sterilized perlite vermiculite,it was put in a jar with the lid opened just a tiny bit so it doesnt ceate pressure and then brought to boiling point for a while...it was jar with wet perlite vermiculite in a cooking pot or what you call it...it was not pressure cooked


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23412876 - 07/05/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I will qoute this dude right here he seems he has been growing for a while

I have used perlite (by itself) as well as verm/perlite 50/50 as a casing material. In my experience the perlite tray I made grew better than the verm ones. From experience perlite stimulated pinning. I found this out by mistake. One time some perlite accidentally fell onto a peat casing with rye grain. Days later (when it pinned) i noticed that the pins has all started where the perlite had fell and that they were in high numbers.

  Recently I took a jar that i had used for a grain to grain tek which still had some colonized grains at the bottom (about 1/3 pint of colonized grain) i dumped perlite in the jar, misted the perlite and closed the jar. Days later i had many pins and i will probably yield 7-8 grams(first flush) having used a minimal amount of colonized grain. Perlite HAS potential as a casing!

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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23412878 - 07/05/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

id say its definitely experimental at best, but im looking forward to seeing how it works out (;


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23413400 - 07/05/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It may be cause this one will be well documented so call this experimental than...I give a lot hope into this one s sucess rate cause I ve been reading alot and I think I will make it possible only it will require some more work with this one not to get the perlite to dry,more misting and fanning but that suits me I like doing that stuff more than necessary


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23416501 - 07/06/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i posted this on your other log, but wanted to post it here too in order to make sure you saw it. please read it, and understand that im typing this with ZERO hostility. purely good intentions here.

but just based on how long every post you make is; YOURE OVERTHINKING THE SHIT OUT OF THIS! growing mushrooms is a VERY basic process when you break it all down. it just comes down to... can you guess? FOLLOWING THE STEPS TO A 'T'.

and ultimately using information that has been PROVEN works time and time again will help tremendously in the long term.

im ALL for experimentation. but when i grow, and spend my time on a hobby like this. i expect results. and if im going to expect results, i better do it right. how am i going to do it right? im going to learn from all the mistakes people made before me, and use those lessons to improve my OWN odds.

after reading your grow log(parts of it anyway), and the new one, im seeing an overwhelming pattern. you're using outdated information, and trying experimental techniques constantly while you dont have ANY of the knowledge to be able to pull it off properly.

im not dissing on you. just trying to help. youd be better off listening to people here, following directions, and using NEW updated teks and information in order to grow properly and get good yields consistently.


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23416729 - 07/06/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This is excellent advice.... AMEN!


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #23417997 - 07/06/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look guys,I imagined this one to act in a certain way,it is supposed to recolonize and recover the spawn and in approximately 8 days from the begining it should poke out trough the surface of the casing,it is colonizing in spawn really good and ih has started to push te rhizomorphical mycelium up trough the vermiculite/perlite mix,just as I imagined and I can see it by eyes on the sides of the clear plastic tray

I know how this one is going to act,it will poke trough the surface of the casing cause it is a non organic casing,and then it will start to form a web like mycelilal growth over the surfce of the vermiculite or perlite in search for food resources,and once it colonizes enough I will put it in the pinning initiation mode,drop the temperatures and mist the surface slightly but more times a day because of the perlite,give them light and that s about it

For now everything is acting as I imagined it to be acting si I will say it will going to be ok in front,I saw this type of casings before and it doesnt cause any problems in any kind of way,you just need to adjust your approach towards misting a little bit and its all good!

I will post pictures when the mycelium reaches the top of the casing

Due to the fact this one is experimental to most of you and you are not familiar with this type of casing,I saw it when my friends were doing it,here people grow mushrooms a little different than you would imagine
You obviously are not practicing that type of casings and are unfamiliar with it so let s stop with the fuckery and talking about it,just enjoy the show and see what happens in the process

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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: ClintMassey] * 1
    #23418014 - 07/06/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's not that nobody is "experienced with it" and it's "new to us".  It's more like, it was a bad idea 10 years ago and it's still a bad idea now because perlite is basically volcanic glass.  It cannot even be colonized.  It's just there, being a porous rock.  Then when the mushrooms grow, they have little bits of perlite in all different parts of the mushroom because of how they form. 

How will you like the sound of little bits of perlite crunching in your teeth while you eat your harvest?  That's the sound of failure and misplaced expectations.

I really don't think there's some new wave of awesome underground cultivators who are casing with perlite mix and have their shit all figured out.


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: Inocuole]
    #23418050 - 07/06/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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It's not that nobody is "experienced with it" and it's "new to us".  It's more like, it was a bad idea 10 years ago and it's still a bad idea now because perlite is basically volcanic glass.  It cannot even be colonized.  It's just there, being a porous rock.  Then when the mushrooms grow, they have little bits of perlite in all different parts of the mushroom because of how they form. 

How will you like the sound of little bits of perlite crunching in your teeth while you eat your harvest?  That's the sound of failure and misplaced expectations.

I really don't think there's some new wave of awesome underground cultivators who are casing with perlite mix and have their shit all figured out.




Have you guys ever heard of cutting the little pieces of the mushrooms once they are dried right on the place where you pulled them out of the ground,not everyone likes to eat vermiculite and or perlite so people tend to clean that part of the mushrooms once they dry out,around here as far as I saw,I did seen that guy once bought dried mushrooms that has a shitload of vermiculite on the lower side where the mushroom begins to form but my friend just cut that shit and sawed that pieces of mycelium in the fridge for spawning some new stuff,he even managed to get some growth afterwards...there was like few grams of the casing on 25g of dried mushrooms,and yea I dont personally eat mushrooms anymore so that is not my concern,and people that are willing to eat them around here would litteraly eat shit if it would get them high so that is not a very big deal as you make it out to be


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Re: MY SECOND BULK PROJECT - MALABAR [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23420390 - 07/07/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hi OP...

Why so closed minded?

While you appear to be of average intelligence, some of your statements come off as very condescending. Like you know everything, your way is the "right" way and only way. And like you are here to "teach" us by posting quite a bit of old, outdated, questionable, and even some erroneous information.

Just wondered what you are really trying to accomplished? There are clearly many people on the board who know what they are doing...
:shrug:
I understand you are serious but some of the phrases in your posts seem somewhat trollish while probably unintended....  just sayin'...

People are just trying to help you man, but you are making it difficult.


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