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First Bulk Grow. Not so bad.
    #23411584 - 07/04/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So today I spawned my jars. Just wanted some feedback to see if it looks ok.

pasteurized coir/verm at 70C for 60 Min's.



Spawned into 2 trays 1L of popcorn 2L of bulk per tray.



I mixed evenly 2.5 inch deep.



Covered in foil and put inside a tote.



Constructed my SGFC also



I understand I should wait a week and peek inside right?
If the top is colonized I should case with 0.5 inch of verm and begin fruiting?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23413860 - 07/05/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Bump xx


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23414080 - 07/05/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's a lot of holes in your FC. Should be okay but I'd tape up some of the holes if you find you are losing too much humidity.
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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: spock]
    #23414085 - 07/05/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Make sure you hydrate that verm before you apply it to the surface


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23414351 - 07/05/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

After applying the verm case do I incubate further or put into the FC.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23414382 - 07/05/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good to fruit yep :thumbup:
I only used 1/4 inch of verm to patch but I could have been following an old tek
Still turned out fine. Whenever I started to see myc growth near the surface I jist covered with another 1/4 inch verm at field capacity.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23414530 - 07/05/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Does the verm need to be sterile?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: spock]
    #23414600 - 07/05/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's a lot of holes in your FC. Should be okay but I'd tape up some of the holes if you find you are losing too much humidity.
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:facepalm: Please refrain from posting advice on topics you have little knowledge in.

Taping up the holes would hinder airflow, effectively lowering the RH even further.

Humidity comes from evaporation, which occurs with airflow.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23414610 - 07/05/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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After applying the verm case do I incubate further or put into the FC.



No need for incubation, you could either let it colonize for an additional day or 2 and then fruit it, or fruit it right after applying the casing layer.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: PussyFart]
    #23414632 - 07/05/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's a lot of holes in your FC. Should be okay but I'd tape up some of the holes if you find you are losing too much humidity.
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:facepalm: Please refrain from posting advice on topics you have little knowledge in.

Taping up the holes would hinder airflow, effectively lowering the RH even further.

Humidity comes from evaporation, which occurs with airflow.




The holes are 1/4 inch diameter, 2 inches apart, all the way around, I understood this to be tthe correct way to construct it?

I think I'll case in 1/4 inch verm and put to fruit.

Should the verm be sterile?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23414635 - 07/05/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, that is the correct way to build a SGFC.

Dont mind spock, he belongs in the pub and not in mush cult lol.

You could sterilize the verm, but straight out of the bag works just as well.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: PussyFart]
    #23414654 - 07/05/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, that is the correct way to build a SGFC.

Dont mind spock, he belongs in the pub and not in mush cult lol.

You could sterilize the verm, but straight out of the bag works just as well.




Cool, sounds good thanks.

Do you think the trays look alright?

I mixed 1:2 ratio but it seemed more like 1:1


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23414682 - 07/05/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like 1:2 to me
I have yet to hear anything really great about popcorn. Keep us updated!
And I wouldn't worry about sterilizing verm too much. But if it gives you piece of mind, then by all means.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23414701 - 07/05/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wanted to use Rye originally but I couldn't find it in Sweden, so i just thought id give corn a go.

To be honest I thought the jars would contaminate before i got to this stage lol. As i didn't use a PC,

But so far so good, hopefully when i take the foil off these trays its not green

How long should i wait before looking? 1-2 weeks?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: PussyFart]
    #23414920 - 07/05/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's a lot of holes in your FC. Should be okay but I'd tape up some of the holes if you find you are losing too much humidity.
Peace.
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:facepalm: Please refrain from posting advice on topics you have little knowledge in.

Taping up the holes would hinder airflow, effectively lowering the RH even further.

Humidity comes from evaporation, which occurs with airflow.



:shrug: No need to be a douche. The man(woman?) asked a question and no one helped. I answered that he should be okay but said what I'd do. I'm not some mushroom dork who spends all of their time on the internet who needs a ribbon that says I'm a "trusted grower" or needs to be rude to others to feel good about myself. I don't even grow mushrooms anymore. But I do have many years experience in this hobby and know that it is not hard to grow mushrooms. I know how humidity works too and too much air flow leads to drying of substrate leads to less humidity. But I'm no expert on SGFCs.
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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: spock]
    #23415048 - 07/05/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I was not being any more of a douche than you were when telling OP to tape up holes in a SGFC.

If the cakes start to dry out, that is when misting is needed, not tape.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: spock]
    #23415245 - 07/05/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Giving people shit advice is not the same as "helping". Being able to pull a few fruits is easy. No one said it wasn't :shrug:


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23415329 - 07/05/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Being a douche is being a douche. Saying what I would do is not giving shit advice. It just isn't. One could "pull a few fruits" in a box with no holes and no lights. Saying what I would do if situation x happens is not giving shit advice(unless I'm saying to case with salt or some shit). I really don't care a lot but you guys should really check yourselves for real. There is no one way of doing this. Or start a church because there is no bible of shrooms afaik. If someone tries to help and you don't agree then it is very easy to say so without being a dick. I've grown mushrooms for a long time. I've learned a lot here at the Shroomery over the last 13+ years. If you don't agree then it is easy to respectfully say so. Especially as mods you both should know better than to come off as some type of shroom nazi. I don't give too much a fuck but what about the next guy who is too timid to dare disagree with you. Bad look man.

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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: spock]
    #23415346 - 07/05/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No one said there is only one way to grow mushrooms. But there are correct ways to run a SGFC and incorrect ways to run a SGFC. If you are not familiar with its function, it would be better to be quiet.

At any rate PF was not rude, he didn't call you a moron or say you were an asshole. He simply asked you not to give advice on things you don't understand. By your own admission you don't understand the principles of a SGFC.

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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23415367 - 07/05/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

calm down guys. :chillpill:

How long should i wait untill i look to see if the tray is colonized? a week?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23415376 - 07/05/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It doesn't matter. You could check tomorrow if you wanted. Opening the tray to look won't hurt a thing. I would give it 4 days myself, that should let you have a good idea how much longer.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23415551 - 07/05/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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By your own admission you don't understand the principles of a SGFC.





I said I was not an expert. Different from not understanding the principles.

Sorry, SgtPepa. Was only trying to help. I do stand by what I said though but the best advice is to try to see what works best for you with what you have. I didn't see if you are using perilte in your setup? Originally RR had that as part of how he used his sgfc. That info might be outdated(almost afraid to ask).
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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: spock]
    #23415569 - 07/06/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Perlite is still the mainstay. I had assumed the OP simply hadn't added it yet. Don't be afraid to ask stuff, no one gets a hard time for asking questions, well not usually :wink:

Look man we ain't looking to ruin your day. I know PF wasn't and neither was I. Sometimes we come off as blunt, but I assure you the intent is not rudeness. Stick around and you might be intrigued by some of the things that have changed in the hobby. People do a few things differently now as well as having updated a few of the older methods. You might approve. Always great pics and grows floating around these days
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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23416070 - 07/06/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No prob spock, if you didn't say cover the holes, others wouldn't of explained why not to.

I will be using perlite, just haven't added it yet.

I'm nervous about contamination though, hope it will work.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23421020 - 07/07/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So its been 3 days.

To my untrained eye this seems like good progression, do you agree?





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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23421083 - 07/07/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmm, it looks pretty fuzzy to me so I'm unsure of it's health. See what some other advanced users have to say though, I'm just a newbie.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Spore211215]
    #23421267 - 07/07/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I also thought it was quite fuzzy, but im hoping it will fill in nicely. :grin:


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23421737 - 07/07/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No opinions?

I tend to think its going just fine, maybe wishful thinking?

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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23421836 - 07/07/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It looks like its doing good. The grain looks to have recovered well and is leaping off. Due to the small surface area of popcorn and low nock points it looks like it will probably be maybe 3 or 4 more days but, I doubt you need to worry about contams etc. It looks healthy :thumbup:


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23421854 - 07/07/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You my friend are a godsend. :laugh: You put my mind at ease.

I find this hobby has a lot of room for worrying, when nothng needs to be worried about.

Hopefully I can produce some fruits worthy of the information I have harvested from these forums

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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23448932 - 07/17/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So 12 days since I spawned, seems to be going pretty slow.

24c little GE in the dark.


since my coir was quite fibrous there are small lumps that are quite dense not sure if it will colonize.

How does it look to your guys?





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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23449230 - 07/17/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why in the dark? Ambiant light can be helpful for colonization speeds IME. It looks like its mostly colonized, you could probably fruit that now if you wanted.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23449779 - 07/17/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I gathered dark was ideal.

Are you sure seems like alot of patchy brown bits?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23449786 - 07/17/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's coir. You can colonize it in fruiting conditions and full light if you wanted to. Read some current info, darkness was disproved 20 years ago.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23449819 - 07/17/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If they were your trays world you case and fruit now?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23449846 - 07/17/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Since it's just coir you probably could depending on what you were going to case with. If I was gonna case them with more coir (and I often do) I would probably give em a few more days to thicken up. This will help keep the culture from blowing right through the casing.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23450093 - 07/17/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Was thinking just a 1/4 inch of verm.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23450100 - 07/17/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty hard to screw that up. Go for it.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23450356 - 07/17/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nice one. Should I case and fruit straight away or incibate?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23450361 - 07/17/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Case and fruit now.


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23452106 - 07/18/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So today I cased and put into fruiting, think it looks good.

Hope it works,

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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23452235 - 07/18/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Looks awesome dude. Keep it updated. Im starting this here this weekend.. Nervous but excited too!!


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Shroom_Goddess]
    #23452272 - 07/18/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23470383 - 07/23/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So 6 days later!







Because I cased and fruited straight away, should I expect pins to come through or for the casing to colonize first?


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23470700 - 07/23/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Depending on how thick that verm casing is, it'll take awhile for it to colonize fully.
But, the point is for it to provide a microclimate at the surface and not to be colonized.

If your culture is aggressive, then it might take just a week or so.
Either way you should expect pins in less than a week imo :goodluck:


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Re: First Bulk Grow. Advice? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23475020 - 07/25/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pins!

Hope more will sprout through.







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    #23475421 - 07/25/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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    #23479615 - 07/26/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Update: Doing quite well. One tray has maybe double the amount at the moment though.

Do you think this will be the total first flush or will more possibly show up?

Is it possible for the second flush to be more productive?







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