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OfflineKlompen
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Re: LSD/LSA degrade into what compounds? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23420618 - 07/07/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats a technical organic chemistry question.

Might wanna ask the Chemistry and Pharamcology forum.





Oops! Somehow I missed that there was such a forum. Can someone move this thread please?


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OfflineKlompen
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Re: LSD/LSA degrade into what compounds? [Re: Klompen]
    #23420649 - 07/07/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It is pretty amusing how off the rails this went due to mentioning the example of reversing oxidation of THC. Lets not fixate too much on that. I'm not trying to process junk LSA/LSD into good quality material again. I just want to understand the degradation process better so I can understand the atomic action involved. For example: do lysergamides tend to break down in similar ways? Are there some stages of decomposition where it becomes more stable? There are just so many questions! Clearly there are limits to it's decomposition because otherwise we'd have rogue benzene in the body.... I'm guessing the entire structure up and around the amine is the weakest part of the structure.

Its funny how people are calling LSD a complex organic product... I was just looking at a hemoglobin in Avogadro and LSD is pretty damn simple compared to that!


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Re: LSD/LSA degrade into what compounds? [Re: Klompen]
    #23424871 - 07/08/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you're THAT interested you should become a chemist. Kinda why I did it. You're totally missing the point, the WHAT isn't nearly as interesting as the WHY, which takes years of study to understand is is honestly all that makes it worth studying (other than from a practical point of view anyway). For instance, why would you give a fuck if LSD breaks off a carboxyl group 10% more often than a nitrogen group? (Idgaf what the structure is of LSD, too lazy to look it up, but its all the same organic shit).

What makes it fascinating is WHY it breaks in such a way. One of the principles of mass spectroscopy (obviously not the exposure to light/heat over time but same concept).





We are trying to tell you that you're a child asking why bees think flowers are pretty. Great enthusiasm but your level of ignorance is making it too difficult to get to the heart of your 'problem'


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Re: LSD/LSA degrade into what compounds? [Re: bloodsheen] * 1
    #23425389 - 07/09/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wow that is a spectacularly condescending comment. Well played sir.

I have very specific reasons for asking these questions, and actually some reasons for being a bit broad in scope on them. Maybe "What" doesn't get you excited as much as "Why", but I would like to know both if possible. I definitely "give a fuck" what breaks off the molecule easily, what bonds with it most readily, and the specifics of why. I guess to you it might just be "organic shit", but the way molecules degrade or aggregate is pretty vital to basically all life as we know it.


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