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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #23415709 - 07/06/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'll probably vote 3rd party. If they get 5% of the vote they get federal funding and its a little bit of a step towards breaking up the 2 party shitshow.

Presumably the vote will go to the green party. I don't agree with all their positions, but they are anti-corruption, anti-interventionist, anti-fraud, non-corporatist, and pro-liberties... and those are most of the issues that matter to me.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: twighead]
    #23415845 - 07/06/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What makes you say if they get 5% of the vote ,federal funding goes to the third party?


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23415849 - 07/06/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/pubfund.shtml#General

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Minor party candidates and new party candidates may become eligible for partial public funding of their general election campaigns. (A minor party candidate is the nominee of a party whose candidate received between 5 and 25 percent of the total popular vote in the preceding Presidential election. A new party candidate is the nominee of a party that is neither a major party nor a minor party.) The amount of public funding to which a minor party candidate is entitled is based on the ratio of the party's popular vote in the preceding Presidential election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in that election. A new party candidate receives partial public funding after the election if he/she receives 5 percent or more of the vote. The entitlement is based on the ratio of the new party candidate's popular vote in the current election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in the election.




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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415852 - 07/06/16 02:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Minor party candidates and new party candidates may become eligible for partial public funding of their general election campaigns. (A minor party candidate is the nominee of a party whose candidate received between 5 and 25 percent of the total popular vote in the preceding Presidential election. A new party candidate is the nominee of a party that is neither a major party nor a minor party.) The amount of public funding to which a minor party candidate is entitled is based on the ratio of the party's popular vote in the preceding Presidential election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in that election. A new party candidate receives partial public funding after the election if he/she receives 5 percent or more of the vote. The entitlement is based on the ratio of the new party candidate's popular vote in the current election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in the election.






That's extremely interesting actually. Thank you.  (Really no sarcasm here,hard to tell in type) but I really do find that interesting.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415866 - 07/06/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

3rd parties will not work in the American form of government, at least for presidential elections. The problem is that there are always going to be two candidates who are more ideologically similar than the third guy, and they end up spitting a certain amount of votes. A strong Green Party will share liberal voters with the democrats handing a victory to the republicans every time.

A truly competitive three way race for president would most likely mean that no candidate would receive the majority of electoral college votes, which would send the election to the House of Representatives, who would pick the next president. Our system was designed for two parties, unfortunately.

Third and fourth parties work in parliamentary systems because ideologically similar parties can join forces to form governments.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415872 - 07/06/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That can happen here too, there just hasn't been any reason for the major parties to try and form any alliance. Say you have the green and libertarian parties drawing about 10% of the vote, and holding about 10% of congress each... to get a majority both parties will need to work with (and thus make concessions to) the minor parties.

The Libertarian party has picked up significant steam this election from the republican disenchantment - as has the green party from democratic, even if its currently in a fairly closed niche.

Johnson has been polling around 9% and Stein around 5% so far.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: twighead]
    #23415875 - 07/06/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It could work for congress, but not presidential elections. That 270 electoral college majority thing is a real show stopper.

I think pushing for a constitutional amendment to get rid of the electoral college, and directly elect presidents based on popular vote is a start. This isn't abstract minutiae, Florida recount or not, Al Gore got more votes than George Bush in 2000. If we directly elected our presidents, the entire history of the world would be different now.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415884 - 07/06/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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3rd parties will not work in the American form of government, at least for presidential elections. The problem is that there are always going to be two candidates who are more ideologically similar than the third guy, and they end up spitting a certain amount of votes. A strong Green Party will share liberal voters with the democrats handing a victory to the republicans every time.

A truly competitive three way race for president would most likely mean that no candidate would receive the majority of electoral college votes, which would send the election to the House of Representatives, who would pick the next president. Our system was designed for two parties, unfortunately.

Third and fourth parties work in parliamentary systems because ideologically similar parties can join forces to form governments.



  I said almost the same exact thing in a conversation with my brother earlier this year.

If it were a real 3 way race the electoral college would be too split to support one canidate. Honestly when I said I lt I wasn't sure if it were true or not I was just studying the electoral college in American history this year and put it in a paper I wrote about the late 1800s state of the Vice Presidency. You think it's bad that a lot of Americans don't know who Joe Biden is,being a VP in the entire 1800s was a place to disappear politically. They rarely spoke of and you're average American was never told and never asked who the VP was back then. It wasn't until Carnage and JP Morgan bought their way into a presidency via Good ol Teddy Roosevelt that we started to institute certain safeguards for that.Btw they literally paid to have teddy put on the ballot last minute.But no cases landmark enough to keep money completely out of politics (it never will be)There's a lot more to the issue but that was the thesis.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23415895 - 07/06/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It doesn't even have to be competitive 3 ways. You could have a very tight race between the two major parties and a third party could win one or two states and end up throwing the entire election to the house.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415900 - 07/06/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's an extremely fragile system


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415908 - 07/06/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Getting rid of the electoral college is a great idea. It's useless outdated an does not represent the true voice of the people.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23415916 - 07/06/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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  I said almost the same exact thing in a conversation with my brother earlier this year.

If it were a real 3 way race the electoral college would be too split to support one canidate. Honestly when I said I lt I wasn't sure if it were true or not I was just studying the electoral college in American history this year and put it in a paper I wrote about the late 1800s state of the Vice Presidency. You think it's bad that a lot of Americans don't know who Joe Biden is,being a VP in the entire 1800s was a place to disappear politically. They rarely spoke of and you're average American was never told and never asked who the VP was back then. It wasn't until Carnage and JP Morgan bought their way into a presidency via Good ol Teddy Roosevelt that we started to institute certain safeguards for that.Btw they literally paid to have teddy put on the ballot last minute.But no cases landmark enough to keep money completely out of politics (it never will be)There's a lot more to the issue but that was the thesis.




Interesting story - considering it was Teddy who pushed almost every positive modern democratic reform into being, including the recording of congress, registration of lobbyists, primary elections, federal securities commission, restriction and accountability for campaign donations, workers comp, woman's voting... etc

  ... he pushed even further for recall elections in the US, as well as introduction of federal referendums (citizens may decide on a law by popular vote), initiatives (citizens may propose a law by petition and enact it by popular vote), and Judicial recall (when a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote)...

If they bought him in, it was one of the best things that happened :lol:


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: twighead]
    #23415924 - 07/06/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Im personally more terrified about how many Supreme Court justices the next president will have power over. It almost completely eliminates the checks and balances process. There has never been a point in American history where SO many Supreme Court seats were available. Our checks and balances have already been strained over all blue and all red senate majorities in the past 100 years but this in my mind gives the president power all of the sudden when he/she normally doesn't have much say relatively speaking.
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  I said almost the same exact thing in a conversation with my brother earlier this year.

If it were a real 3 way race the electoral college would be too split to support one canidate. Honestly when I said I lt I wasn't sure if it were true or not I was just studying the electoral college in American history this year and put it in a paper I wrote about the late 1800s state of the Vice Presidency. You think it's bad that a lot of Americans don't know who Joe Biden is,being a VP in the entire 1800s was a place to disappear politically. They rarely spoke of and you're average American was never told and never asked who the VP was back then. It wasn't until Carnage and JP Morgan bought their way into a presidency via Good ol Teddy Roosevelt that we started to institute certain safeguards for that.Btw they literally paid to have teddy put on the ballot last minute.But no cases landmark enough to keep money completely out of politics (it never will be)There's a lot more to the issue but that was the thesis.




Interesting story - considering it was Teddy who pushed almost every positive modern democratic reform into being, including the recording of congress, registration of lobbyists, primary elections, federal securities commission, restriction and accountability for campaign donations, workers comp, woman's voting... etc

  ... he pushed even further for recall elections in the US, as well as introduction of federal referendums (citizens may decide on a law by popular vote), initiatives (citizens may propose a law by petition and enact it by popular vote), and Judicial recall (when a court declares a law unconstitutional, the citizens may override that ruling by popular vote)...

If they bought him in, it was one of the best things that happened :lol:





Yeah he turned out to be one our best and at times worst president. He was terrible with foreign diplomatic endeavors. Good with wars and great for America though. National parks system was the best thing he ever did and any president in the 1800s did for sure. FDR being my fav president was called a socialist and he led us to victory in world war 2 and made the "new deal" covering every conernstone of American social programs and things like the FDIC. I wouldn't say Bernie is an FDR but interesting parallel


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: twighead]
    #23415930 - 07/06/16 03:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ugh, I think national referendums and initiatives are a bad idea. Yes, on one hand it's how you get recreational weed, but on the other hand it's how you get things like bans on planned parenthood, or gay whatever, and who knows whatever crap demagoguery would end up being voted on. There are just too many ballot measures in the states.

Judicial recall is horrible idea. You can't make something that is unconstitutional OK by popular vote.

The judiciary is really the only branch of government that actually works well, let's not fuck with it.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415942 - 07/06/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that people support a ban on planned parenthood or gay whatever though... last polling revealed 60% view PP positively. gay marriage is about 60% too... I honestly think the majority opinion in the country has more integrity and value than the congressional voting right now...

But I don't think major changes like say judicial recall should be passed by a simple majority, it should be similar to a congressional amendment requiring 2/3rds... if 66% of the nation thinks a law is unjust, it should be overturned... simple as that.

Congress has proven to be extremely damaging... the people hold more acceptable views and would write better laws at this point I believe. They're not a bunch of corrupt lawyers writing 2000 page bills.. they would be relatively simple and concise texts that most could understand. We have a ton of really smart people in this country and most aren't politicians... we should take advantage of that.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: twighead]
    #23415949 - 07/06/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Congress is a shitshow. The only way to fix congress is to have publicly funded elections.

However, you do need professionals writing laws. Some bills are long because they are dealing with complicated issues.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods]
    #23415960 - 07/06/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

bills are long because of lawyers and the need of the hair splitting of what a word actually means.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: koods] * 1
    #23416193 - 07/06/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Congress is a shitshow. The only way to fix congress is to have publicly funded elections.

However, you do need professionals writing laws. Some bills are long because they are dealing with complicated issues.




Like corporate lobbyists writing complicated bills such as Obama Care? :lol:


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: qman]
    #23416300 - 07/06/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

For real. I think going on the simplistic side and having the law understandable in its intent by everyone is much more desirable than the loopity loop 2000 page earmarked bullshit novels that no one reads today.


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Re: Donald Trump is being accused of child rape [Re: Hobozen]
    #23416499 - 07/06/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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but according to the general rationale, trump should be blamed, even tho he has no personal responsibility of what happens in the kitchen




I told my wife today that I will likely be throwing my vote away this year as well. I cannot in good conscience vote for HC. And when I stayed in Trumps hotel a few years ago they charged me a $20+ per night resort fee upon check in. They said as a part of the resort fee I would receive free water bottles and the newspaper of my choice.

They never delivered the newspaper, and they made a fuss about brining up the small waters when we called for them. Out of principle I cannot vote for Trump either.




Is this a joke? Seems like you're mocking koods or something.




I assure you it is not a joke, and I am seriously considering voting somewhere else because of it. If Trump loses because enough people had to pay his shitty resort fees, then he had it coming.

Though really after this is all over HC and Trump will hug it out and laugh together knowing that the elite are still in firm control. Neither of them will even need to be brought into a room to watch a video.



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