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Gr0wer
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OP, how is the grow going? Any updates? That building has tons of potential.
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SpeakSoftly
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: Gr0wer]
#23904578 - 12/07/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry for the lack of updates, we've been very busy. I hooked up the misters and ran a whole house filter inline. They have been working great. Got the solenoid hooked up to this timer https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V5G2ZPG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 from Amazon that is actually working pretty well.
A pic from above of the setup most currently.

We did really well with the pinks this season.

We've been in a rut currently with low yield and contamination. Been using sawdust from a cabinet maker that isn't quite dense enough and seems to harbor mold. We're going to make the switch to hardwood pellets for the time being to see if we can improve growth and less contams. I also want to start using Soybean hulls, since you and Drake are doing so well with that technique. I've got my local feed store working on sourcing them currently.
I was thinking about possibly pasteurizing the SBH along with chopped straw then making log columns, and seeing how the oysters like that. I really want to keep up with this thread and be more involved here at shroomery. Happy growing y'all.
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drake89
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Reckon soy hulls will mold unless maybe pink oyster could out run the mold? They are almost as high protein as wheat bran so..
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SpeakSoftly
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: drake89]
#23904952 - 12/07/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahhh, I see. So that's why y'all are sterilizing. Thanks for the heads up. Well straw is messy business anyhow, I would much rather work with sawdust. Hope to find a good deal on some soybean hulls soon, should hear back tomorrow from the feed stores.
We're focusing on Blue oyster, Kings, and Shiitake for the winter.

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Quadman
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Looks great!
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MorePies
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: Quadman]
#23905894 - 12/08/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How far from Dallas are you?
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SpeakSoftly
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: MorePies]
#23906213 - 12/08/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quadman said: Looks great!
Thanks Quad
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MorePies said: How far from Dallas are you?
Yo MorePies, we're in Denton just 30 miles north of Big D. Treefolkfarm.com if you want to know more, still working on the site so, not much info yet. Are you in the D?
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Gr0wer
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I get my soybean hulls from ranch way. You might need to order half a ton but latelty it seems there not as picky since ive been ordering it regularly and refering them as a source. http://www.ranch-way.com/products/grain-mixes/soybean-hull-pellets
Im paying like $15 a sack, its a bit pricey but worth the cost when its pumping out primo fruits.
Edited by Gr0wer (12/08/16 01:07 PM)
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Marty Mycfly
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: Gr0wer]
#23906970 - 12/08/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everything is looking great
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MMG
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Awesome how this build turned out, hope you have more success with the new substrates OP!
Question, what makes soybean perform better than wheat bran? From what a quick google search: The SH and the WB appeared to have, on airdry basis, 11.1 vs. 15.4% CP, 32.5 vs. 8.7% crude fiber (CF), 36.8 vs. 10.7% ADF, 0.6 vs. 0.1% Ca, and 492 vs. 92 ppm Fe, respectively. Calorie wise they're about the same with soy bean having a slight edge...
Apparently crude fiber is a factor since Soybean has about 4x more than wheat bran according to this study done on swine feed http://www.ajas.info/journal/view.php?number=21048
any experienced shroomers care to input any info/details as to why soy bean is now being regarding as one of the best bulk up supplements for shrooms? I think I might be on to something
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Gr0wer
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: MMG]
#23907279 - 12/08/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea fiber and proteins are the main reason i belive.
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Quadman
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: Gr0wer]
#23907478 - 12/08/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes you may be on to something. Livestock nutritionist use adf, ndf, cf of those number adf or acid detergent fiber is what I believe a number for mushrooms.For livestock the forage/ grain is put through an acid wash and this number represents what is not digestible ( cattle). I have a feeling that the higher adf the more digestible for a mushroom. Just theory.
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SpeakSoftly
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: Gr0wer]
#23907559 - 12/08/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, Interesting seeing you comparing the stats MMG! Seems like fiber has to play a big roll. Makes me wonder what the fiber content is on the Alfalfa supplement I use.
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Gr0wer said: I get my soybean hulls from ranch way. You might need to order half a ton but latelty it seems there not as picky since ive been ordering it regularly and refering them as a source. http://www.ranch-way.com/products/grain-mixes/soybean-hull-pellets
Im paying like $15 a sack, its a bit pricey but worth the cost when its pumping out primo fruits.
Ouch 15 a sack.. Do you have it shipped to your door? You pay for freight? Have you done the numbers on cost vs. yield? Don't mean to bombard you with questions, if you have already discussed in a thread I'd like to know.
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Quadman
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Adf of alfalfa can vary tremendously. Mostly depends on stage of maturity when cut. I've seen adf from 26 all the way to 45.
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Gr0wer
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SpeakSoftly said: Wow, Interesting seeing you comparing the stats MMG! Seems like fiber has to play a big roll. Makes me wonder what the fiber content is on the Alfalfa supplement I use.
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Gr0wer said: I get my soybean hulls from ranch way. You might need to order half a ton but latelty it seems there not as picky since ive been ordering it regularly and refering them as a source. http://www.ranch-way.com/products/grain-mixes/soybean-hull-pellets
Im paying like $15 a sack, its a bit pricey but worth the cost when its pumping out primo fruits.
Ouch 15 a sack.. Do you have it shipped to your door? You pay for freight? Have you done the numbers on cost vs. yield? Don't mean to bombard you with questions, if you have already discussed in a thread I'd like to know.
Yea yields are much bigger with soybean hulls, and wheat bran is around $14 a sack so its not much cheaper than 20% bran batches. I use 40 lbs fuel pellets 50 lbs soybean 10 lbs wheat bran to fill my sterilizer to full capacity. With the 85 gal sterilizer i plan to use 2 sacks of fuel pellets 1 sack soybean then some wheatbran to get the drum to full capacity. That price is shipped to the feed store, i dont think you can get a sack of anything shipped to your door for $15. Making $400 off $20 substrate is a no brainer.
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SpeakSoftly
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: Quadman]
#23908137 - 12/08/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quadman said: Adf of alfalfa can vary tremendously. Mostly depends on stage of maturity when cut. I've seen adf from 26 all the way to 45.
 We pasteurize this stuff and add it to our straw logs at about 5%-10% by dry weight and it really boosts the yield vs. plain straw. We have a lot of room to improve on yield though, and need all the help we can get
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MorePies
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I'm down in Austin, but went to Alb, NM with someone who knows you guys. Reason I ask is because I was looking for hardwood fuel pellets and found someone in Dallas selling Heat Resource 100% oak pellets. Price was fine. Seems like you're having a substrate consistency problem and the pelleting process makes them pretty clean. I can PM you their number if you would like. If there is an Atwood's near you, they carry them as well.
Your setup looks awesome and I'd love to check it out!
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SpeakSoftly
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Re: Mushroom Humid House [Re: MorePies]
#23910069 - 12/09/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea yields are much bigger with soybean hulls, and wheat bran is around $14 a sack so its not much cheaper than 20% bran batches. I use 40 lbs fuel pellets 50 lbs soybean 10 lbs wheat bran to fill my sterilizer to full capacity. With the 85 gal sterilizer i plan to use 2 sacks of fuel pellets 1 sack soybean then some wheatbran to get the drum to full capacity. That price is shipped to the feed store, i dont think you can get a sack of anything shipped to your door for $15. Making $400 off $20 substrate is a no brainer.
Thanks for sharing Grower! You're a wealth to the community. Definitely worth it to roll with this recipie, if I can find it... Nobody seems to have SBH at nearby feed stores. So far nobody I talked too can order it. I have been able to locate cotton seed hulls @ $15/bag, so I may be giving those a run.
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MorePies said: I'm down in Austin, but went to Alb, NM with someone who knows you guys. Reason I ask is because I was looking for hardwood fuel pellets and found someone in Dallas selling Heat Resource 100% oak pellets. Price was fine. Seems like you're having a substrate consistency problem and the pelleting process makes them pretty clean. I can PM you their number if you would like. If there is an Atwood's near you, they carry them as well.
Your setup looks awesome and I'd love to check it out!
Sweet man, yea TA is a good guy. Please pm me that info, cause we need a steady source for pellets. Closest Atwoods is over 30 miles away.
If you're in the area, we would love to have you over. PM me
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Marty Mycfly
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Haven't seen TA here for a bit, have you heard how his grow is going?
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SpeakSoftly
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Marty Mycfly said: Haven't seen TA here for a bit, have you heard how his grow is going?
I haven't talked to him in a while, but know that he has been swamped with work. Last time I talked to him he was working like 70-80 hrs a week, so that is likely why he isn't around.
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