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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: nooneman]
#23411209 - 07/04/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My job cannot be automated, that would literally be impossible both in a technical sense and principally.
Machines could play out a score since the 80s, but no one wants to hear a ghostless hunk of metal flatly generalizing Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Music is emotional/spiritual expression, of a living individual, taking out the human is taking out the poetry, and all you're left with then is organized sound, which is not music.
Regarding the mathematics, if you were to just play one of Bach's Cello Suites as written, you would miss the point. We learn early that there is more nuance than what is written, and considering the mathematics gets to an extremely precise point (some advanced pianists can play upwards of 16 notes per second), that nuance is not merely technical. You could say it is emotional, the subtle inflections of mood which reflect the composer, dancing with the performer, dynamically interacting every moment of a performance.
Technically a machine can play back a performance, or imitate a score. But a machine is not alive and cannot produce the poetry which is music, simply because that poetry is an expression of living.
The same goes for all art forms, from acting and dancing, to painting and literature. There is no point in having a machine parody art, outside of crude novelty.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Shroomism]
#23411224 - 07/04/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Come now shroomism. Think. Do you deny the place of robotics in the future? Because if there is going to be millions of robots and machines out there doing work humans use to do who do you think will own those machines? The elite.
I don't need to believe the elite control the world or whatever, it's all about money, the elite have the money, they will finance the building of the machines, hence they will control the world even more so then they no doubt already do.
I'm not saying we're powerless, we could rebel, but if we did it would ensure the deaths of millions and likely end in the collapse of human civilization as we know it, which would set our species back a few hundred years probably.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Fools Crow]
#23411251 - 07/04/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fools Crow said: Come now shroomism. Think. Do you deny the place of robotics in the future? Because if there is going to be millions of robots and machines out there doing work humans use to do who do you think will own those machines? The elite.
I don't need to believe the elite control the world or whatever, it's all about money, the elite have the money, they will finance the building of the machines, hence they will control the world even more so then they no doubt already do.
I'm not saying we're powerless, we could rebel, but if we did it would ensure the deaths of millions and likely end in the collapse of human civilization as we know it, which would set our species back a few hundred years probably.
You realize that is all speculation and circular logic? Don't pretend your fantasies are reality or that you can predict the future.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23411269 - 07/04/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I skimmed this thread. But all technical processes can be automated. Someone mentioned empathy and compassion. Morality, responsibility, human concepts. These are culturally defined. And if you haven't noticed, they're in decline.
The one thing separating us from machines is recursion.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Blend]
#23411281 - 07/04/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rep, I most certainly can predict the future!
I'm a prophet fool!
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Fools Crow]
#23411312 - 07/04/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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While I wait on someone to call me out on my sloppy previous post... If a job is technical in nature, it can be automated. And in most cases it should be, given that machines statistically do things far more efficiently than humans. So what are some jobs that cannot be defined in technical terms? And are there enough of those to support our current economic institutions?
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Fools Crow]
#23411320 - 07/04/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't deny the place of robotics or AI in the future. It will undoubtedly progress humanity in the next 100 years to things we thought completely impossible 100 years ago, or even today. Shit, a couple hundreds years from now, we'll probably be creating biological AI. Imagine an archive database of all the knowledge of the known universe available directly to download into your brain.
I just think you give WAY too much credit to them. And way too little credit to the rest of humanity. The status quo, is not going to continue being the status quo. It's kind of hard to maintain a super secret society and control the world behind the scenes through fear, deception and manipulation when everyone knows everything. The internet was just the precursor.
Don't give the "elite" so much power. That's exactly what they want you to think. Fear, doom, gloom.. we are doomed can never succeed etc etc. Humanity is much more awake then most people want to realize, and will not allow this to go on for much longer.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Blend]
#23411340 - 07/04/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Personally I think its possible for most jobs, but things could go in a hundred directions.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23411348 - 07/04/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Shroomism]
#23411350 - 07/04/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter how many of us there are. Millions of robots vs humans and the robots will win and the robots will be owned by the elite. That said, I don't think it will go that way. I find it more likely that the population will continue to explode and most humans (the non-elite) will eventually go willingly into a matrix type simulation given the alternative (poverty, death, starvation, etc)
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23411352 - 07/04/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah this is all speculation. We're all operating on an assumption at one level or another since we're talking about the future. I've been on the train of thought lately that it's entirely possible we are in a nested simulation, so that's where my .02 is coming from at present. Yes there is currently a difference between digital and organic to our knowledge, but I'm wondering if that will always be the case.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: nooneman]
#23411381 - 07/04/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every case of automation in the past has created or left the amount of jobs the same. Yet some people insist that this time, it will be different.
I'm no Luddite, extolling the virtues of menial labor. Bring on the robots.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: DieCommie]
#23411386 - 07/04/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean you figure if machines were going to take over the world, by now you'd at least have cars that systematically eat their drivers alive or something to make fuel.. not as of yet.. and my cars have like 15 computers in them these days. People bitch about those too.. but I find it makes life way fucking easier, all I have to do to diagnose is plug in a cable. I can recode half the shit on my car with a freaking laptop.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Shroomism]
#23411392 - 07/04/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Shroomism]
#23411492 - 07/04/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I'm sure people said about the exact same thing 100ish years ago when the cotton processing mills were taking some people's jobs and making things easier for everyone.
Or 20 years ago when we were all gonna flying cars & lightsabers & shit.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Dark_Star]
#23411964 - 07/04/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Machines already do my job. But without them i'd have no job.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Sticky Green]
#23412165 - 07/04/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I fucking love your sig bro
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Fools Crow]
#23412227 - 07/04/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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2 years ago Gilgamesh posted an interesting video regarding this issue. Check it out, it's a super intriguing clip.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: Crystal G]
#23412286 - 07/04/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If no one has a job, no one will be able to afford whatever service the automation offers, and the buisness using the automation will go bankrupt.
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Re: Your job is (probably) going to be automated. [Re: xbloodwhipx]
#23412296 - 07/04/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Two words. Welfare state.
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