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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23412254 - 07/04/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Really its all about your own individual idea of set and setting, but the main rule to remember is to have a clear mind and be happy at the time, I like to meditate just after I in-digest until I can feel the come up, or stop a bit before it, but as above, its your experience so make it your own experience...


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23412374 - 07/05/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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They won't fully show themselves and all their glory to you on the first time. They take it easy on noobs.






I believe he was paraphrasing when he said "taken lightly". It sounds like he means that you were making it sound like a mushroom experience shouldn't be taken as seriously during the first time, because they will be going easier on you, and that kind of is what you said.

I'd think that if anything, the only reason that a first time might be less profound than later trips would be because you aren't used to the feeling and need to get adjusted to tripping, and/or because in later trips you'll already have been enlightened by the shrooms, and will be able to get more out of the experience after having already had a change in perspective, or something along those lines.

I don't think that every first time with shrooms is less heavy than following ones, and I've read quite a few first time trip reports where the shrooms absolutely kicked the reporter's ass, or showed them enough to the point where they were perfectly satisfied and really didn't need anymore.

I don't believe it's common knowledge at all that shrooms have minds of their own, and have seen threads debating this very issue, where some people will say that they believe that shrooms have spirits that guide the trips, and others will disagree, but it's never a majority of supporters of that claim, definitely at most half will say that they believe that. I don't know how something like that could possibly be "common knowledge" if there aren't any facts to back up that claim.

It is apparent that the effects of shrooms come from the chemicals within it, because you can get trip off of extracts, or even synthetic 4-aco-dmt, which never came from a mushroom at all, and converts into psilocin in the stomach. The trip doesn't come from simply the act of consuming the mushrooms, and there would be no spirit from a former life form to "guide" a tripper on 4-aco if that would be what occurs during shroom trips, yet the trips are reported to be nearly identical, and the same type of "guidance" definititely occurs on the latter substance.

I'm not even really saying that it's not possible for there to be some sort of mushroom spirit that guides a trip, or that shroom trips aren't generally easier on first-timers, but XLcaps was not putting words in your mouth (or text in your quote) when he was paraphrasing you, and simply wanted to make sure that new people to tripping don't read what you said and assume that you meant that their first time will definitely be easy with the assistance of the mushroom spirits, and that they have nothing at all to be cautious about going in, so long as the spirits take care of anything that might happen, and then take a shit ton of shrooms and realize that their entire reality is being torn apart and they have no clue what's going on.

I don't mean any disrespect to you, and it's fine if you believe that mushrooms do have a guiding spirit, but you can't assert that as fact to someone who's trying shrooms for the first time, and tell them that because of this their first time should be easier than the average trip, when it could very well be much harder than any trip following that ever, depending on their dosage, state of mind, place in life, and setting.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: StuckInShanghai]
    #23413569 - 07/05/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

For the first time I recommend taking 2-4g dried and take a stroll through a forest at daytime, enjoy the time of year and bask in the sun.

Enjoy your trip :smile: .


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: Rackstrawstiltskin]
    #23413673 - 07/05/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

First of all well done for asking here. The most important thing is you research and understand what you're getting into.

Many people will give you different answers but there's some things you can do to ensure you stack the odds in your favour of having a good experience.

1) Ensure you're not on any type of medications like anti-depressants or psychotics.

2) Don't smoke weed before doing them. It can send you on a real paranoid anxious trip.

3) Environment. The best environment is one you feel safe and comfortable in. A place you know well. I think this is more important than mindset. I've tripped when I've been both happy and sad and it's made no difference to my experiences. The drug tends to take control.

4) Be relaxed and surrender yourself to the shrooms. Understand they will control you and be fine with that. They may show you uncomfortable things as well as nice things. Just go with it. This is the most important mindset to have when tripping. Don't try and control it as this will make it horrible for you.

5) Dose. Make it sensible on your first time. I think 2 - 2.5g is a great starting point. I've had profound trips on 2g when prepared with a lemon tea method. I've also done 2.5g before and it's not been as strong as the 2g. Shrooms vary in potency.

6) Have fun man :smile:

EDIT: Just to note, these doses are assuming you have Psilocybe Cubensis (very important!)


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: Totemtripper]
    #23413791 - 07/05/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Totemtripper said:
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AuroraBorealis88 said:
They won't fully show themselves and all their glory to you on the first time. They take it easy on noobs.






I believe he was paraphrasing when he said "taken lightly". It sounds like he means that you were making it sound like a mushroom experience shouldn't be taken as seriously during the first time, because they will be going easier on you, and that kind of is what you said.





Yeah and if he really interpreted it that way that's completely ridiculous. That's trollish behavior. Mushrooms are to always be taken very seriously. My first trip wasn't "fun" at all I had ego death and it was otherworldly and exotic. And this was just off an eighth. Clearly it's more powerful your first time as mine was I'm just saying it filters itself to some extent as in the introspection isn't normally as deep (unless come at with that intent) and it won't be as revelatory and profound.
The mushroom experience changes overtime

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I'd think that if anything, the only reason that a first time might be less profound than later trips would be because you aren't used to the feeling and need to get adjusted to tripping, and/or because in later trips you'll already have been enlightened by the shrooms, and will be able to get more out of the experience after having already had a change in perspective, or something along those lines.





I wasn't "enlightened" by the shrooms though at that point I just had already gone through this strange reality dissolving zany exotic/primitive experience where I felt reborn afterwards. There was no disclosing of cosmic wisdom or attachment to the universal awareness or my "soul"

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I don't think that every first time with shrooms is less heavy than following ones




Less heavy? What the heck are you talking about? Did you not see what a wrote...Level 4..ego death.

VERY intense


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I don't believe it's common knowledge at all that shrooms have minds of their own, and have seen threads debating this very issue, where some people will say that they believe that shrooms have spirits that guide the trips, and others will disagree, but it's never a majority of supporters of that claim, definitely at most half will say that they believe that. I don't know how something like that could possibly be "common knowledge" if there aren't any facts to back up that claim.




Okay correction; it's common knowledge that it feels like it has a mind of it's own. Shrooms is actually infamous for giving that effect whether it's just you tripping or whatever it's still a very common thing that people report whether they're into hippie dippie bullshit or not. Like normal people. I don't know about the people here but most people I talk to in real life about it say they feel it. Even people who said they weren't enlightened or anything from shrooms said they felt it.

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It is apparent that the effects of shrooms come from the chemicals within it, because you can get trip off of extracts, or even synthetic 4-aco-dmt, which never came from a mushroom at all, and converts into psilocin in the stomach




I know but I've never taken synthetic psilocin so maybe there isn't that feeling when it's there. However maybe it's the entity of psilocybin itself. It might get some awareness of the mushroom body.

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he was paraphrasing you, and simply wanted to make sure that new people to tripping don't read what you said and assume that you meant that their first time will definitely be easy with the assistance of the mushroom spirits, and that they have nothing at all to be cautious about going in, so long as the spirits take care of anything that might happen, and then take a shit ton of shrooms




Smh  Who on earth would interpret it that way..

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when it could very well be much harder than any trip following that ever, depending on their dosage, state of mind, place in life, and setting.




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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23414021 - 07/05/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah and if he really interpreted it that way that's completely ridiculous. That's trollish behavior.




Read back your posts here, you're speaking in a very self-certain, matter of fact way about experiences which are very subjective. I must admit I laughed when you called troll after saying:

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AuroraBorealis88 said:
You clearly don't even know what drugs are.




You also said ...

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AuroraBorealis88 said:My first trip wasn't very profound just super reality dissolving




Just read that back. The way you say this here is so off-hand. Reality dissolving experiences can be massively profound in and of themselves. By their very nature they can make people question their reality, and not all people will handle that well. That imo is why he stressed this should not be taken lightly and I think it'd be crazy to look back at your previous posts, where you tell a first timer that it's well known mushrooms clearly filter themselves the first trip, and not see the potential implications of your phrasing.

In your most recent post you also seem to have mentioned for the first time that you experienced full on ego death in your first trip, and then you went on to quote Totem in the same post and ask if he read what you wrote... about ego death... in a post you were currently making!

Anyway, just wanted to point out I was on Totem's side too reading those posts and you seemed very affronted when someone else tried to explain his perspective.

Back to the OP - I would say the ideal setting is the setting in which you personally feel most comfortable. If you are looking for something more profound you probably want silent darkness, but I would also tend to lean towards a more gentle familiar first time.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: paulhogandog]
    #23414132 - 07/05/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Woods can be a bad idea unless it's literally YOUR woods

You just don't realize how easily you can get spooked on these things. Then for the next 2 hours every little thing is after you. An example is every car you see in the distance will be the cops and they're looking for SWIM reportedly on mushrooms at this exact location apparently

Back yard or.for me ideally my bedroom are great places.. music and some good tea on hand. Just be super comfortable until you know what you're in for aka experienced


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: paulhogandog]
    #23414306 - 07/05/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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paulhogandog said:
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AuroraBorealis88 said:
Yeah and if he really interpreted it that way that's completely ridiculous. That's trollish behavior.




Read back your posts here, you're speaking in a very self-certain, matter of fact way about experiences which are very subjective. I must admit I laughed when you called troll after saying:

Quote:

AuroraBorealis88 said:
You clearly don't even know what drugs are.




You also said ...

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AuroraBorealis88 said:My first trip wasn't very profound just super reality dissolving




Just read that back. The way you say this here is so off-hand. Reality dissolving experiences can be massively profound in and of themselves. By their very nature they can make people question their reality, and not all people will handle that well. That imo is why he stressed this should not be taken lightly and I think it'd be crazy to look back at your previous posts, where you tell a first timer that it's well known mushrooms clearly filter themselves the first trip, and not see the potential implications of your phrasing.

In your most recent post you also seem to have mentioned for the first time that you experienced full on ego death in your first trip, and then you went on to quote Totem in the same post and ask if he read what you wrote... about ego death... in a post you were currently making!

Anyway, just wanted to point out I was on Totem's side too reading those posts and you seemed very affronted when someone else tried to explain his perspective.

Back to the OP - I would say the ideal setting is the setting in which you personally feel most comfortable. If you are looking for something more profound you probably want silent darkness, but I would also tend to lean towards a more gentle familiar first time.





No I'm fairly certain before I mentioned that I had a level 4 and an ego death my first time. That wasn't the first post. I have read my post and yes I'm very confident in what I say because it seems to be pretty universal. I also tend to notice things many do not.

and no simply having a reality dissolving experience is not profound for me. I can see how it could be "profound" metaphorically but I'm talking about literally. I'm talking about an experience that FEELS profound and gives deep emotional profoundness. It's like background music to the trip.

Ketamine is reality dissolving but I wouldn't consider it profound. I don't call psychedelics profound because they give me life changing insights but because they actually feel profound emotionally. 

As for his perspective...it was idiotic and childish. Too quick to assume. He flat out assumed that I was saying to take the first trip lightly. How the hell are you on the side of someone who thought that?


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23414321 - 07/05/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

10 Grams/Isolation Tank!

Nahh. My first mushroom trip was about 4 grams laying on the ground in the dark. Had a very interesting first trip and was worth doing it that way (in a dark quiet space) for me. Not saying you should take 4 Grams... This was my third Psychedelic...

If you're taking a light dose, I'd imagine that going outside in nature could be really fun. Stronger dose I would go for the dark room. That's just me though. I do agree too that the beginning trips are probably easier.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23414525 - 07/05/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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SonicTitan said:
Mushrooms can be a very serious journey. I don't feel any psychedelic should be taken lightly.




Exactly. I don't know why this guy is making stuff up like that and then has the audacity to call someone else a troll? He must be drunk af or he just needs to take a break.



You should be banned. This is a really stupid thing to troll about and it's not funny at all. Grow up kid. It's not impressive to get around a perma, and it's not impressive to make puppets to do stupid shit like this. I don't know what your angle is, but you're clearly way too young for this site.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23414999 - 07/05/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey XL...are you talking to yourself?


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23415014 - 07/05/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A mod in here would be really nice.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23415180 - 07/05/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Every trip I took in my earlier years was out in nature.  Hiking, camping, lake trips. 


May as well experience early on the connection fungi have with the planet. :mushroom2:


Dark room, music and meditation are more the Psychonaut realm :rocket:


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23415722 - 07/06/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No I'm fairly certain before I mentioned that I had a level 4 and an ego death my first time. That wasn't the first post.


 

It was. Go back and check.

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AuroraBorealis88 said:

I have read my post and yes I'm very confident in what I say because it seems to be pretty universal.




It feels like you half read what people write and then respond with what you've decided they said.

It most certainly appears that you are confident in what you say - too confident. My point was that what you are stating as fact in that post relates to a very subjective topic, and that you are giving advice that can easily be interpreted as irresponsible to a first time here. There are at least 3 people in this thread who don't agree it's "clearly obvious that mushrooms filter themselves the first time" but I don't see anyone agreeing that they do. Do you see a pattern here?

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I also tend to notice things many do not.




I bet you do. What I would suggest is that you consider whether other people don't notice these things for a reason. Even sometimes. Could it be because you read too much into things, and people's motives?

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and no simply having a reality dissolving experience is not profound for me... I don't call psychedelics profound because they give me life changing insights but because they actually feel profound emotionally.




I get that. But the reason people are replying is to point out it's not all about you. You're advising someone else here, based on your own subjective experience.

Who are you to say that a reality dissolving experience wouldn't cause that person to experience depersonalization or become depressed due to a crushing existential crisis? There is a genuine  potential for that, and to flat out say that it's unlikely because the mushrooms filter themselves the first time is just straight up wrong, and again, this is where it could easily be read into that you're implying the first time is likely going to be fine regardless of dose or setting, ie taking it lightly.

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As for his perspective...it was idiotic and childish. Too quick to assume. He flat out assumed that I was saying to take the first trip lightly. How the hell are you on the side of someone who thought that?




I've just explained this in this post. It's down to your attitude and phrasing.

Hopefully you'll see where I'm coming from this time and take this post the way it was intended, but from your other posts I'm beginning to think it's a bit difficult to get through to you due to the fact you have blinders on and are too busy always being in the right.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: paulhogandog]
    #23418056 - 07/06/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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but I don't see anyone agreeing that they do. Do you see a pattern here?




Well I see them so sorry that you for some reason can't.

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Who are you to say that a reality dissolving experience wouldn't cause that person to experience depersonalization or become depressed due to a crushing existential crisis?




Wtf are you talking about? Never did I say it wouldn't cause that...in fact how does this bullshit you just typed even relate to what I said? When did I say you can't have a reality dissolving experience your first time or that it can negatively effect you? You're making no sense..

Did you not read what I wrote? I said my first trip was very reality dissolving so how the hell are you gonna say I'm saying it can't happen?


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There is a genuine  potential for that, and to flat out say that it's unlikely because the mushrooms filter themselves the first time is just straight up wrong, and again,




They do filter themselves the first time and what on earth does that have to do with depersonalization? No one's saying that can't happen, I specifically mention that I had a powerful reality dissolving experience my first go.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23418074 - 07/06/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I do warn those who solely exist as Ego to avoid shrooms.  His quote makes some sense in that perspective :shrug:


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: Snazz]
    #23418977 - 07/07/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

As predicted Aurora, you didn't actually read what I wrote and instead cherry picked parts to reply to.

There's no point in me replying because the questions you asked are either not applicable, or already answered, if you actually read what I wrote instead of reacting emotionally to phrases. Your reading comprehension skills are shocking.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: paulhogandog]
    #23420050 - 07/07/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's because all the other things you said had no point to them so there was nothing to even say.



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It most certainly appears that you are confident in what you say - too confident. My point was that what you are stating as fact in that post relates to a very subjective topic, and that you are giving advice that can easily be interpreted as irresponsible to a first time here. There are at least 3 people in this thread who don't agree it's "clearly obvious that mushrooms filter themselves the first time" but I don't see anyone agreeing that they do. Do you see a pattern here?




I am not "too confident" I am confident enough that's what I am. It's not as subjective as many claim it to be. And no I am not giving advice that can be interpreted that way. See this is why there's no point in responding to these parts of your messages because they're just wrong and inaccurate. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23420085 - 07/07/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

IMO sitting at home tripping sucks bad.

My best trip was strangely when I walked around Target for an hour or so. Everything that is brightly colored gets VERY brightly colored, which in a large store, is a lot of stuff.


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Re: What is an ideal setting for a first time mushroom experience? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23422104 - 07/08/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's because all the other things you said had no point to them so there was nothing to even say.




Please, keep quoting segments of posts out of context (while still not actually reading them) so that it's easier to twist them to support your bizarre logic. Like I said your reading comprehension skills are shocking. I'm done trying with you.


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