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Easyriding123
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Re: Lucky MS pinset [Re: Snazz]
#23414852 - 07/05/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I get smaller mushrooms in my first flush but more. Yours will still grow some more you will be happy. You can partially harvest and let the others catch up a bit. On your next flushes you could expect bigger mushrooms.
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Pastywhyte
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I didn't read the whole thread but IME the biggest issue with getting a dense pinset to fruit well is sufficient supplied water.
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Re: Lucky MS pinset [Re: Snazz]
#23415702 - 07/06/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Snazz said: Likely takes a ton of resources from the mycelium / substrate to mature that many fruits. Not sure if the typical response is aborts or small mushies.
Curious about: Spawn ratio, grain type, strain.
Have some tests running with supplemented coir and long consolidation periods.
It was 5 quarts of wbs to one brick of coir and like two and a half quarts of verm. The funny thing is that these jars were fully colonized for like two months and had shrunken inside the jar considerably with perfectly clear metabolites filling up the bottom quarter of the jar. I just wasn't ready to use them until my other tub finished up. I wonder if that had anything to do with how things turned out. Maybe the mycelium digested all of the grain and was really ready to fruit.
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hampiri
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Snazz
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Re: Lucky MS pinset [Re: hampiri]
#23416163 - 07/06/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Long consolidation seems to have great benefits. Jars at 100% still have a ton of food inside the kernels. Scaling from milo/millet to oats/popcorn being longest
I'm trying one week extra for jar and one week extra in bulk sub (added oil, stevia, vitamins and minerals to coir) and full field capacity (which until now I was hesitant to do)
6 quarts as well. Hoping to get some weight like you did. Great job man.
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NDStepp84
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Re: Lucky MS pinset [Re: Snazz]
#23416214 - 07/06/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Personally I've never been a fan of consolidation, and fruit immediately at spawning. These tubs were harvested 14 days after spawning
  Instead of an extra two weeks just looking at my jars and subs could turn out two more of these.
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Moabfighter
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Anyone have any tips for a good pinset using BRF to manure/Coe/Verm. MS. Doubt I'll get good answers using MS. I've had one canopy out of about 9 tubs.
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Snazz
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Very true. Guess I should have prefaced that statement with 'A/PE testing'
Although more actives should be synthesized over a longer life cycle. No idea still what function it had to the fungi though, usually makes it easier to figure out.
(like THC being a UV filter, so add some extra to increase production)
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NDStepp84
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Re: Lucky MS pinset [Re: Snazz]
#23416441 - 07/06/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have often wondered about time/potency as well. My thoughts were that there may be a link between not how long it takes to get pins, but how long it takes the fruit bodies themselves to mature may have something to do with producing more actives. PE/ APE for example, the fruits take longer to mature. I've had pins fast with both (10-14 days), but the fruits mature more slowly than normal cubes.
Also the tubs above, the mushrooms grew to maturity super fast and potency was nothing special, but I have an AA+ clone that the fruits are much slower to mature and the potency is above average. Not saying that just because a mushroom grows slow or fast it is more or less potent 100% of the time, you can even grow bunk PE, but there may be something to it. Just a thought from observations of my limited experience.
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Snazz
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It makes perfect sense. Most strains don't generate a ton of actives until knotting.
Fast growth may lead to mostly chitin and water.
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Re: Lucky MS pinset [Re: Snazz]
#23416531 - 07/06/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very interesting. Possibly a good way of testing could be growing MS tubs, start taking dated pictures when pins form, cloning growing out and testing the single fastest/slowest maturing mushrooms of each grow.
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Snazz
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Ya, I'm going to be photo journalling all 3 tubs. Cloning, labeling to pic# and bio-assays with harmaline to try and get a rough estimate of strength.
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Re: Lucky MS pinset [Re: Snazz]
#23416828 - 07/06/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I gave it some bottom watering today so we'll see how that helps. Also I noticed I'm still getting some side pins even though I put blue painters tape around the tub to block light this time and am using a liner. Last time I didn't use tape and there were more pins on the side than the top.
Here's a pic from yesterday. This morning there was one lone mushroom with its veil already open.
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Pastywhyte
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Light is not the cause of side pins. Microclimate is.
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How can I prevent them then? Im using a liner and it's still stuck to the substrate with no gap, but still getting side pins. Thanks for the help, pasty. I appreciate it.
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Pastywhyte
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Use better liners. The real trick to getting liners to work is to not open the bag up, then when you trim off the edges you essentially have 2 layers of plastic. The outer layer sticks to the tub as most liners are prone to doing, but the inside liner pulls away and stays attached to the substrate. I also find "flexfit" bags work best as liners, the texture helps the sub grip them as it shrinks.
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Pastywhyte
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It's not cubes but this pic shows the idea. See how one of the bags is stuck to the tub at the top, but the inside liner held onto the sub. If I only used one liner that would have resulted in that section pulling away from the sub and it would be jammed with side pins.
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MycoLoopology
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Pastywhyte said: Use better liners. The real trick to getting liners to work is to not open the bag up, then when you trim off the edges you essentially have 2 layers of plastic. The outer layer sticks to the tub as most liners are prone to doing, but the inside liner pulls away and stays attached to the substrate. I also find "flexfit" bags work best as liners, the texture helps the sub grip them as it shrinks.
well i know what ill be doing on my next tub, thanks buddy 
my tubs have always been hit or miss with one layer. ill have pockets here and there where the sub didnt connect to the liner as well. i can see this being a neat little trick to fix that lol. surprised i havent heard this sooner!
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radhaz

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Congrats man, I'm looking forward until the day I get a pinset like you! Do you used a casing layer? Cause I read that it should be done when fruiting on spawning.
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radhaz said: Congrats man, I'm looking forward until the day I get a pinset like you! Do you used a casing layer? Cause I read that it should be done when fruiting on spawning.
I did not use a casing layer. Just a very thin layer of sub sprinkled on the top and evened out.
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Pastywhyte said: It's not cubes but this pic shows the idea. See how one of the bags is stuck to the tub at the top, but the inside liner held onto the sub. If I only used one liner that would have resulted in that section pulling away from the sub and it would be jammed with side pins.

Thanks! I'll do that.
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