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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: viktor]
#23416745 - 07/06/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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No judgement on you personally, or anyone who watches spectator sports. Athletes of course make ungodly sums of money in the USA, and frequently experience severe, crippling disorders as a result. We just watched the film Concussion, which is certainly worth seeing. So one has to have a certain respect for those who earn such coveted jobs. They are relatively few in the NFL compared to the hundreds of millions who root for them. Same with the NBA. I've always taken care of my body, but being an introvert, team sports are just not a possibility. I did some judo, jujitsu, and scuba diving. Yoga is not a sport. Neither is resistance training, even though there are Olympic weight-lifting competitions.
I am annoyed by the crowd sounds and commentators when my step-daughter visits at Christmas time and watches football, but that's just me. You reminded me of a college chum who was into basketball and was trying to give me a similar cosmic coloration to the game, big 5-pointed stars on the court, Yin-Yang in action. I'm certain that you don't require that to enjoy the action, but then again, the "movement-center" in a Georg Gurdjieffian sense might be a lot more prominent in your personality than it is in mine. G.'s is another typological model that makes a lot of sense to me. I move a good deal working on my house/pool/yard and sometimes lose too much water/electrolytes in the South Florida heat, but moving competitively, for 'fun,' or watching others do the same has never appealed to me or interested me. Games go back quite far in human history. The Mayans played a form of basketball in 1400 BCE, but the losing team were all beheaded! American football is a remnant of gladiatorial combat owing to its intense physical striking. I'm not familiar with rugby either, but I have the impression that rugby players can have a very rough and rugged reputation. It's no golf! 
Like gaming, gambling also holds no attraction for me. Life has been gamble enough and I've lost enough on girlfriends, ex-wife, career, place to live, stock market to see gambling as a thrill. As for gaming, I'm generationally out of the loop. I'll be 63 in a few days.
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Well happy birthday.
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American football is a remnant of gladiatorial combat owing to its intense physical striking.
I've said the exact same words nearly verbatim! It's like slaves have been brought to the arena, and boy the crowd is in a frenzy... Even mighty empires collapse, perhaps ours too.....
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#23417050 - 07/06/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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there was a good book I read years ago titled 'Exploring the Crack in the Cosmic Egg' where the author talks about how always being in talk mode, or culture-mode kind of clings you to consensual reality, whereas the sounds of wildlife and nature are more wild and of another dimension, if you will
I have had shroom trips with people who inisist to chit chat just as they would after having a toke. I would sit and really listen and begin giggling when I heard the emphasis they would put on words, etc. One said 'what are you giggling at...'? errr duh? LOL
when I first was turned onto cannabis many years ago 9though I have stopped toking for quite a while now) groups would more listen to music, and there wasn't manic chit chat like I later came across. it seems to me more and more people are obsessed with 'social media'. They lose that sense of losing this need to always be in consensual reality mode--the accepted reality of language, and cultural consensus
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23417064 - 07/06/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks!
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23417087 - 07/06/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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American football is a remnant of gladiatorial combat owing to its intense physical striking.
I've said the exact same words nearly verbatim! It's like slaves have been brought to the arena, and boy the crowd is in a frenzy... Even mighty empires collapse, perhaps ours too.....
Cage fighters are a step down into barbarity. If fighting to the death intentionally (because fighters DO 'accidentally' die of their injuries) was legally permitted, there would be hundreds of thousands in favor, maybe millions eventually as the veneer of their civilizing programming wore off, watching, paying to watch, betting on them. I wonder if spirituality and compassion have genetic correlates, because if so, the gene is recessive and latent in much of humanity.
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I wonder about that type of thing all the time, perhaps a latent gene activated by psychedelics? Most people seem to stay on oral, anal, rational, moral circuits, ultimately reproducing and dying and that's it. I'd buy you a copy of Tim Leary's The Game of Life if I can find one at a good price (can be stupid expensive) where he speculated a lot about post-terrestrial blueprint in our DNA, mystical states etc. included.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23417861 - 07/06/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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happy birth day markos you are so young.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23418179 - 07/06/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the thought, but I can read it for $5.99 on Kindle, and it's available in hardcover and paperback for $17.95or $26.95 respectively. I have some of Leary's books and I wonder if his ideas are in them since I confess not reading through to completion.
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True Materialism..is of substance..and things that have substance are material...so therefore..the self..and its extensions..thoughts ideas..cultures..and citys...even all the scientific know how and objectives...are all directed as and from material..we are substance..and that is what materialism continues to this day to be!
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MarkostheGnostic said: Thanks for the thought, but I can read it for $5.99 on Kindle, and it's available in hardcover and paperback for $17.95or $26.95 respectively. I have some of Leary's books and I wonder if his ideas are in them since I confess not reading through to completion.
Oh, they have finally reprinted it in 2015... copies were getting quite expensive for awhile. Mmm, if you have a copy of exo psychology (or alternatively info psychology, the updated version that focused less on preparing for space travel and more on cyber culture) then you'll get the gist of what his works are about.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23419659 - 07/07/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those books are totally awesome. 
The reprint of The Game of Life they did a really good job on. I actually reviewed it for New Falcon (very positively). Took a fuck of a lot of work on their part given the unique format of the original. Good stuff.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23419715 - 07/07/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yah I have a tough time imagining the book being converted to Kindle unless you were using a tablet...... Just doesn't seem the right format.
Ever try his computer software Mind Mirror?
I know it's floating around as abandonware, maybe some sort of Facebook game.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23419786 - 07/07/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haven't tried it, no. Looks interesting in the video, although I'm not on Facebook.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: viktor]
#23420199 - 07/07/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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To my mind, if you haven't tripped so hard that your belief in the primacy of the material world has been shattered and it no longer makes sense that you are merely a crawling monkey-like being birthed from a fleshy mother who is doomed to die, then you are not really a tripper.
Either classic tautology or classic No True Scotsman Fallacy.
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Sports are beneath you? Don't be so elitist. Everything is sport. Someone just mentioned the Game of Life by Leary. It's all a competition of who can outmatch, outwit, out-enlighten who. There are clear winners and losers to everything in every forum you can think of, this one too. We're all trying to win this thread and it's all in good fun.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: mt cleverest]
#23420233 - 07/07/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I play cooperative games all the time .
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23420299 - 07/07/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes but the cooperative games are a competition to see who is the most cooperative. And even if you somehow manage to work together effectively (Not likely!), you're still trying to beat out some kind of opponent, whether it is an actual bad guy, death or chaos or time or something.
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: mt cleverest]
#23420447 - 07/07/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mt cleverest said: ...who can outmatch, outwit, out-enlighten who. ..
out-enlighten whom, no?
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Re: Must every tripper be an non-materialist? [Re: mt cleverest]
#23420551 - 07/07/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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mt cleverest said: Yes but the cooperative games are a competition to see who is the most cooperative. And even if you somehow manage to work together effectively (Not likely!), you're still trying to beat out some kind of opponent, whether it is an actual bad guy, death or chaos or time or something.
i don't agree at all. I am trying to encourage a deeper awareness. of course someone may then call me me full of shit, because they think I am coming on as deeper than them, and so better. But am I? I know that you eg may play the guitar better than me, or abc better than me. I don't know. I don't even know you. All I can see are typed text. can't even see your facial expression, body language, tone of voice etc. But I AM aware of what I am meaning, and so share it. Not in trying to beat you down and win. If say I argued that drinking fresh mineral rich water is great for you, and how water is the only liquid in/on Earth that rehydrates you, and you argue that you love coca cola instead, is me telling you that me trying to 'beat you' as an 'opponent'?
what you seem to describe is what has been called the heroic ego mindset that needs constant 'monsters' to defeat to justify his armoured existence--'bad guys', 'death' and 'chaos' seen as monsters to be defeated. I am seeing that, and explaining that that way of thinking is a more shallow kind of awareness than one that is exploring how shallow it is.
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