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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409707 - 07/04/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Actually,you are a f...ing bitch nd you wont take the challenge cause you will loose and you know it but thats not even the point,stop trolling on my thread if you got some problems and just stay the f... away from here it is not for your kind it is for people who have an open mind for experimenting and are willing to see something unusual and not bash and sneak diss on everything acting all smart ass.
You are not a factor in my life,nothing you say can,will or makes any difference in any way I actually take pictures of the shit I do and post them I dont say shit that I cannot prove,please leave my stupid ass alone and dont come back here and we are cool
I dont like to argue with people over stupid shit,you dont use peroxide I do and it works for me cause I probably know how to use it,if you dont than that s your problem
let s please stop this disscusion and you go on believe and do whatever you want to do and I will continue to do what I believe and want to do...its easy dude,just go away,you are like a fly on a piece of shit if I am the shit in this case,dont you get it,you have no purpose and you will not prove anything,I will continue to do things my way forever cause I tried it and it works,forever!!!


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409710 - 07/04/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I dont think even he knows anymore, he's all over the place.

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Hydrogen Peroxide is a powerful antiseptic. The solution of Hydrogen Peroxide bought in a drug store is 3% Hydrogen Peroxide and 97% water. Even at this low concentration, and with further dilution's, the germ killing is potent. But that germ killing power only works for micro fungi spores and bacteria endospores.


After the culture of mycelium grows, it can be rehydrated with more peroxidated water. The spores and bacteria endospores that are "piggy-backing" on the mycelium will die. The mycelium in its fully secondary form, will survive the new peroxidated solution, "cleaned".

Professor Fanaticus




Complete bullshit.

as I said, if you think h2o2 kills endospores go ahead and use it to "sterilize" your grains.
Many people have found this kinda BS before you and failed. its nothing new, its old bad info.

Its your thread, go ahead and spout all the bad info you want in it, I've said what I have to say. You will have to learn from experience I guess..

And I'm not picking a word fight, english isnt my first language either but at least try to calm down and make more sense in your posts, if you type too fast its hard to understand all the ramblings.

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409716 - 07/04/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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just stay the f... away from here it is not for your kind it is for people who have an open mind for experimenting and are willing to see something unusual and not bash and sneak diss on everything acting all smart ass.




I'm telling you this isnt something new, fanaticus has been dead a long time already and you're not the first, rather the 1000th I've seen here quoting bad info regarding h2o2.
it simply doesnt work. try it, you'll find out.

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409725 - 07/04/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, clint. you know why i dug all that up about the degeneration of fanaticus' cultures?
because I tried that peroxide agar shit too. you know we've all been n00bs before, right?

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
    #23409735 - 07/04/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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peroxide. it works by causing cell walls to collapse and the weight of the cell can't hold itself any longer. Mycelium can withstand it at 3% concentrations, but it will still weaken the cell walls significantly. we all told you you would most likely get some fruits. But there're reasons we told you to put the H2O2 away.

I realize you think we're all potheads and shroomheads and probably always fucked up. But some of us are fairly intelligent--we learn from the legends that came before us.

you don't think any of us have heard of Fanaticus? Think we just tell people to do PF tek :willynilly: without knowing who PF was?

You're right, PF did a lot of work with antibiotics and H2O2. Did you know his specimens, all his work, all his genetics are deteriorating due to a degenerative virus that started attacking his weakened cultures?

Here's a quote from Workman, one of the truly great mycologists here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7504640#7504640

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Workman said:
The bent stems could be genetic or it might be a viral infection.  I have long suspected that the PF strains harbor a virus that causes deformity.  I am currently trying to inactive any potential virus though a heat therapy protocol to see if that improves the form.  If the problem is only genetic it should be improved by crossing with healthier strains.  Sorry, I didn't save any for a cross section but they do blue intensely at the slightest touch.




here's an interview too:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6720321#6720321

If you'll notice, Workman had to do a lot of work to try and save these cultures. Because of repeated uses of antibiotics, peroxide washes, and perhaps as theorized by some, the over use of blacklights for growing.


in the future, save the H2O2 for the only thing we'll ever use it for: Dactylium infections.




Hey man thanks for being normal,I used to smoke alot of pot and trip dont think I think bad of people who use drugs,I just stopped cause I ve been doing it for too long and it started to become a problem for me to function normally,I used to smoke up to a pound in a week or two,I just smoked and smoked,I get that some of you are very smart,its just one little problem some people here dont get,I dont dip my jars into peroxide nor do I spray it constantly on my mycelium or stuff like that,I only used it to bassicaly treat the surface of my agar plates so it doesnt get contaminated,that is all,does it weakens agar in some way???I dont get it why are everyone so obsessed with peroxide,I didnt dipped my grains into peroxide nor in any way do nothing else,can someone here understand what treating or cleaning the surface of cooled thicked agar,for preventative measures???Its all I did and all I am saying is that It has not contaminated on my and the mycelium hasnt grasp onto the surface for about 6 days and then it started to grow out normally,its not weakened mycelium it was colonized grain and it didnt even started the growth until the peroxide hasnt probably dissinegrated and evaporated into water and oxygen...that is all....nothing more,nothing about peroxide more please people stop with this discussion,you are smart I get that,people are very smart here but some are very intolerant and rude and deserve some decent slap in the face...trolling someone and being idiots on purpose to look smart,its like omg...will it ever stop i.d.g.a. f..k!
Thanks for the info I will read it for sure


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
    #23409743 - 07/04/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I havent even cooked the agar than poured the hydrogen peroxide so it is a part of the agar i just cleared the surface of the agar for a brief moment,there is a difference in the two,when you cook agar and add hydrogen in it it stays in the core of the agar and stays there for a longer time than just soaking it on the surface for a few seconds shaking the jar in a circular motion to swipe of the potential contaminations I personally dropped on the agar...correct me if I am wrong


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409744 - 07/04/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

maybe you just dont read the quotes you're posting then?
Maybe you didnt say YOU specifically did a thing, but you keep posting about how it would work.
now stop it. no one is trolling you, you are simply being corrected.
when you make posts like this
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I do everything very clean and sterilize myself a few times as I do it



you're gonna have to get used to being corrected a LOT, unless you maybe stop giving advice and start asking questions and listen to the answers instead of filling all your posts with simple minded foul language :shrug:

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409747 - 07/04/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

not just the H2O2, it's the use of antibiotics that's got us all concerned.
Your agar should've been clean already. There shouldn't even be a reason to treat it with anything. It's sterile.
it's simply best to try and take samples away from the contam and clean it up. using antibiotics and peroxide is simply not optimal. that's what we're all trying to say. you'd have much better results just cleaning the culture up with transfers.

if your contam is enmeshed with your mycelium, you can try putting an agar round over the sample, clean myc will grow through it. you just have to be very careful to take the myc that grew through the agar sandwich only.

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
    #23409757 - 07/04/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

:whoak:

this is just too funny... jesus, dude..


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409776 - 07/04/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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just stay the f... away from here it is not for your kind it is for people who have an open mind for experimenting and are willing to see something unusual and not bash and sneak diss on everything acting all smart ass.




I'm telling you this isnt something new, fanaticus has been dead a long time already and you're not the first, rather the 1000th I've seen here quoting bad info regarding h2o2.
it simply doesnt work. try it, you'll find out.



Ok I am sorry its just people are so obsessed about the peroxide thing it gets on my nerves,i dont spray or soak anything with peroxide,I dont dipp my grains into peroxide and to be clear these was simply first thought thing to do,I dropped something I need to rinse it with something that kills bacteria,peroxide is near,pour some onto agar and stir for a few secs and turn the jar upside down so peroxide drips away,its ok I get your point,with time peroxide weakens mycelium,when you work with it constantly it will destroy your genetics,its not the point I am trying to prove,and I am not planing to use it all the time on everything so its okay,I got your point,for my purpose It did the trick,I got my agar culture pure and thats all,now I can take cuts of of that and put it onto other plates,it will not kill or weaken my mycelium everything is fine

Thanks for your consideration on the matter but you can stop being rude and criticising non stop,it  does nothing except cause agitation inbetween us,its like everybody was aaaaaa you got contamination on you trays,trow them away aaa,I didnt I discussed with a medical expert that s a friend of mine and he told me that the antibiotic will be present as long it needs to do its job,to kill the bacteria and then dissolve,I asked him is it safe to eat the mushrooms after I treat them with that type of antibiotic he said for sure and I trust my friend,He is a surgeon and smokes pot and knows alot about biology and chemistry and everything so I listened to him and did what I thought I need to do If there is somekind of infection,and look I got more and more pins everything is fine,no harm done to anybody


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409786 - 07/04/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I appologize to everybody who got offended in this argument,please if you want to make a sense of somekind or help in my growing please take a little time and write your initial thoughts and reasons why are you saying something,I am hear to learn but I am not good at following orders and I dont like rules and constrictions,for me everything is possible and that is my religion that I follow!

Now abuot that pins what do you all think how are they coming on,does it looks better now that it has pins and growing out as it should,bigger pins are now about 1 to maybe 1,5cm long,I was wondering how long will the pins themsleves develop for the first flush,will just the bigger ones grow this first time or will the smaller ones grow out too with a little delay???


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409789 - 07/04/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

does your medical expert friend grow any fungus? I dont see how a medical degree means he can grow mush?
You can do whatever you want just dont expect to be able to spread any info you like without starting a debate on the subject.
we're nerds here, nitpicking's what we do :lol: you'll learn to love it eventually!

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409793 - 07/04/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

dude, thats just it though... they ARE trying to help. the problem is that you cant stand being corrected. you think youre right, even when you clearly arent. and, just so you know, your "medical friend" doesnt know shit about growing mushrooms, ok?

:judyfacepalm:

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if you want to make a sense of somekind or help in my growing





let me REPEAT, everyone here WAS/IS trying to help you. so let them. i know for 100% certainty that they know how mush cultivation works, a hell of a lot more than you. so let them help, and stop arguing nonsense, when you dont know what youre talking about. then, just maybe, you will learn something.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
    #23409799 - 07/04/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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not just the H2O2, it's the use of antibiotics that's got us all concerned.
Your agar should've been clean already. There shouldn't even be a reason to treat it with anything. It's sterile.
it's simply best to try and take samples away from the contam and clean it up. using antibiotics and peroxide is simply not optimal. that's what we're all trying to say. you'd have much better results just cleaning the culture up with transfers.

if your contam is enmeshed with your mycelium, you can try putting an agar round over the sample, clean myc will grow through it. you just have to be very careful to take the myc that grew through the agar sandwich only.



It is not like I wanted to use antibiotics,I just responded on the you got a contamination with a little fear,it is my last colony and I poured it all onto those trays dude,I dont want to lose my strain I need only one print that is all,and when you first said that it looks contaminated I shat my pants and did what I considered necessary,tried to find out will it hurt fungi,even asked my friend like I said he said no way it wont hurt mycelium or anytype of fungus I dont use it on agar and I didnt wanted to practice it,I probably shouldnt even had cause probably the jars werent contaminated in the first place,they just stayed colonized for a little to long and werent put in the fridge,I know it grew somekind weirdish and it was your reflex response to say contamination like everybody else but every action has a reaction,mine was antibiotics


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409800 - 07/04/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

the simple fact is, you just need to do a LOT more research on these things.

especially before spreading nonsense like this.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
    #23409802 - 07/04/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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dude, thats just it though... they ARE trying to help. the problem is that you cant stand being corrected. you think youre right, even when you clearly arent. and, just so you know, your "medical friend" doesnt know shit about growing mushrooms, ok?

:judyfacepalm:

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if you want to make a sense of somekind or help in my growing





let me REPEAT, everyone here WAS/IS trying to help you. so let them. i know for 100% certainty that they know how mush cultivation works, a hell of a lot more than you. so let them help, and stop arguing nonsense, when you dont know what youre talking about. then, just maybe, you will learn something.




Thank you for your explanation I like when people learn me why and explain things with a normaln response and not dont do that, or do this type of answer...I like when someone learns me something but learning is understanding and if nobody explains than its not really learning shit,its just doing what someone says without any type of knowledge about why are u doing what you are doing...I hope you understand that.


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
    #23409811 - 07/04/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

honestly clint. we're not just bustin' balls here. we're trying to knock some sense into you. it can be hard, and i see you took some personal offense. but we don't mean to offend you, just correct all the disinformation you've read. a lot has happened in mycology, even just since PF died in 2011.

i have a tub with some slightly bacterial spawn right now. spawned it yesterday. I needed the jars, had some coir prepped from a couple of weeks ago, and figured it was clean enough to get something from. i would never put antibiotics on it. :cookiemonster:

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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: mupetmower]
    #23409822 - 07/04/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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the simple fact is, you just need to do a LOT more research on these things.

especially before spreading nonsense like this.



I dont follow what nonesense I spread over here,I said I poured some hydrogen on my agar plates to clean some dirt that I accidentaly dropped in there and that is all,everything started with that,it was like I was posting a make a peroxide agar tek,I stated the facts,I did this and this,and it worked sweet for me...for me is the point,I was not encouraging anybody to do what I did I stated my own experince and everyone freaked out an started to attack me literally and verbally abusing the shit out of me and this thread,no one sayed shit about the fucking grow itself only the fucking hydrogen,I lerned i got it it is embeded in my brain forever,I will have nightmare about peroxide after this shit here


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: dankington]
    #23409830 - 07/04/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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honestly clint. we're not just bustin' balls here. we're trying to knock some sense into you. it can be hard, and i see you took some personal offense. but we don't mean to offend you, just correct all the disinformation you've read. a lot has happened in mycology, even just since PF died in 2011.

i have a tub with some slightly bacterial spawn right now. spawned it yesterday. I needed the jars, had some coir prepped from a couple of weeks ago, and figured it was clean enough to get something from. i would never put antibiotics on it. :cookiemonster:



Please post some pictures so I can learn your methods of growing and see how it works out for you,I put antibiotics out of desperation,it was only reflex reaction,I have a overprotective personality and when something is mine i tend to nourish it and the thoght about losing my culture was like nooooo...every strain I have is special to me,its like everything is somekind of legendary item that I posses and I want it more and all hahaha,idk once I started reading and trying to grow some shrooms after a few years since my first basic attempts I got stuck on this shit,I got 48 pounds of inoculated grains right now and 48 more to cook and inoculate hahaha


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Re: My first bulk diary on Shroomery [Re: ClintMassey]
    #23409853 - 07/04/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

that's just it, clint. my methods are not my own. I've just read, and read and follow what others before me have tried. it's as easy as spores>agar>agar>grains>CVG.

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