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Strange growkit out of the box
#23409345 - 07/04/16 05:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello, recently i received my first growkit and i have questions because strange things happened! My growkit arrived 3 weeks later than it should and when i opened it to soak it with water it appeared to have a white creamy surface, it doesnt look like mycellium to me (but i can easily be wrong due to lack of experience) and i want to know if it is contaminated or something bad happened to it due to the time that took to arrive. Also lid looked to have been opened before my first use. I tried to take pictures of it after i putted it in the spawn bag. Sorry for the bad quality, my phone sucks! Thanks in advance and sorry for being the noob guy!

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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23409446 - 07/04/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take it out of the bag so we can see how bad it is. You might already know but kits are frowned upon here as they are usually crap.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23409618 - 07/04/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually i am located in europe. I will post better pics sooner or later
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23409661 - 07/04/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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grow kits suck in europe too, its not just something in the air. healthy myc wouldn't colonize verm like that, somethings fishy for sure.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: spacechildo]
#23424838 - 07/08/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello again, opened the bag after 7 days for air circulation as the directions suggested and manage to get slightly better pics. pic 1
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Questions 1) Is this contamination on the left edge of the box in pic 3? Its actually brown and not red, light conditions sucked 2)Are those pins in pic 5?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23425062 - 07/08/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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1-yes 2-no 3-throw it away!
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23451881 - 07/18/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Update people! New photos and thank god CosmoKramer wasn't right and it doesnt look like it is contaminated but there are not plenty of mushrooms. Is this because they are King Cambodia which get pretty big or is it due to an error on the procedure?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23451885 - 07/18/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are getting a small flush because the substrate is contaminated and because it is a MS grow
If more FAE you might have gotten better pinset too, so lets blame it on the kit itself too.
Edited by Yerow (07/18/16 05:21 AM)
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: Yerow]
#23451912 - 07/18/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like it is flushing due to the contamination so you might get a couple more out of it but i advise you look up the PF TEK as it is quick and easy as well as being extremely cheap so even if it takes you a while to get the hang of it it would probably be under the cost of a new single grow box with postage.
I advise you to let those mushrooms in the picture mature fully and then cut the heads off when the veil breaks and put them on some al foil and put a cup over the top, it will let the heads drop the spores onto the foil and you can then fold it over on itself and put it in a baggy and use those for a MS syringe for the PF TEK.
Just make sure the foil you use is sterile so cut some squares of foil bigger then the mushroom cap and then put them in the oven or flame sterilize them with a lighter etc. Goodluck.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: PanzerCubed]
#23451915 - 07/18/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome advice thank you. Pf tek is my next step. I wont bother with growkits again. My spore syringe is on her way to me and i ve allready gathered the ingredients i need. All i need to do is keep reading and start trying. Anyway will these mushrooms be good for consumption and potent? Also are those enough for at least a dosage? I assume a mild dossage of fresh are about 15 grams right?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23451933 - 07/18/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are usually 90% water and 10% material so 15grams wet would equal 1.5g dry, as for if they are fine to eat i can't say. I would advise you to get some good pictures with some good lighting and post them in this part of the forum to find out what kind of contamination it is exactly so you can make an informed decision on whether or not you want to risk it.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: PanzerCubed]
#23451941 - 07/18/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They look fine eat them or dry them then dunk the cake/tub sit in sgfc collect second flush and repeat till cake is exhausted save up all your flushes have a decent trip
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23451948 - 07/18/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those mushrooms are choking to death.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23452123 - 07/18/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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#Pastywhyte What exactly do you mean by it? They need more air?
#Panzercubed Thanks for the answers and the advices. Still learning and i really appreciate that you spend time teaching noobs like me
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23452159 - 07/18/16 08:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They need a lot more air. Mushrooms need as much air as you do to be healthy. How long could you stand having that bag over your head? That's why we build fruiting chambers, because humidity is not the only thing mushrooms need. In fact humidity is secondary to fresh air.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23459436 - 07/20/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Back again with new photos. Fruits are three times more now due to a lot more air. Now i open the bag every day and i am creating a sgfc to move them. Caps are turning black in some of them and growth seems to have stopped. I guess these are abortions right? Also caps seem to have white dots. Is this normal. Genetics are King Cambodia. Last question. One looks like its moldy on the stem. Is this edible?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23459466 - 07/20/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
scarecrow14 said: these are abortions right?

yeah they could be aborts if they stopped growing and turn black. all i see on one stem is some bruising and maybe a little myc/fuzzy feet, which his normal.
it will do a lot better once you get it in the SGFC.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mupetmower]
#23465581 - 07/22/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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w Hi again, thanks to your advices fruits are doing a lot better. Unfortunately I didnt manage to put them in Sgfc. Will do it next flush. What do you think, time to harvest?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23465594 - 07/22/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Hi again, thanks to your advices fruits are doing a lot better. Unfortunately I didnt manage to put them in Sgfc. Will do it next flush. What do you think, time to harvest?
there, fixed your link for that second picture, so people can zoom.
yes, most look ready. you can harvest most of the bigger ones now, or wait til more tear their veils a little more. either way is fine. it's up to you. harvest time is mostly preference.
if you want to take some prints, you can let the caps open up a little bit more. dont let them go too long, though, or you might let them dump spores all over the place.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mupetmower]
#23473172 - 07/24/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Finally i harvested my first flush. 140 grams of fresh mushrooms. But it looks like my problems are not over yet. I tried to dry them using a bin and a computer fan, a mod that i found in the forum but it didnt work. So i just let them fan dry on a newspaper. They started to dry but they are having black marks all over the stem. Is this normal?
Also i transfered some of them closed in a plastic bag for about an hour because i am leaving for vacation and they turned green-black super fast. I guess this happened because they hadnt dried at all. Are they still edible? I sliced a stem and it is white. How can i transport them fresh without this happening?
After fan drying for about 2-3 hours


After my silly idea for transportation
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23473202 - 07/24/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are still fine, but get them into a dehydrator asap.
Alternatively, take a fan and your oven. Put oven on something like 50-100 or whatever is low-medium heat, keep the oven door open and fan blowing in.
That's pretty much one huge dehydrator.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: Yerow]
#23489321 - 07/29/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok I ate them with no health issues (thank god). I ate 3 shrooms of about 6 cm which I think are enough for a decent trip (unfortunately I didn't have a scale to weigh them) I had signs of trip but not a great time.could potency have been affected or It was a dose issue?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23489385 - 07/29/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Were they fresh or did you dehydrate them with a dehydrator
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23489391 - 07/29/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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probably just didnt eat enough, honestly. unless they were super fat, dense mushrooms, three 6cm mushrooms sounds like a micro dose.
EDIT - oh, right, you fan dried these.. i guess they couldve lost potency, then, yeah.
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Edited by mupetmower (07/29/16 01:54 PM)
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mupetmower]
#23489454 - 07/29/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Was what I was thinking that coupled with the smallish shrooms with out a weight its hard to judge
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23489587 - 07/29/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Check RR'S videos for pf tek or move directly to bull growing. You ll need to buy a scale. Good luck.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: oontribe]
#23492049 - 07/30/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the answers. The mushrooms i took we're only fann dried for about 2 hours so i assume it was a low dosage. Anyway now i got a dehydrator so problems solved. Now regarding the dehydrator it is this model:https://www.bomann.de/products/en/Small-electrical-appliances/Fun-Cooking/DR-448-CB-Drier.html
It has 2 temperature settings but i cant really figure in what degrees is working. Do you thinks this may destroy psilocybin due to high temperature?
Also the supplier refunded us with a new kit due to contamination on the first one and now i have 2 kits going on. I built a SGFC and putted the healthy kit inside. Now my question is it safe to put the contaminated cake inside the same SGFC or may the contamination jump from kit to kit? Only responsible responds guys as i am not willing to destroy the healthy kit!
I have already plans on working with pf tek but first i want to gather some experience with the kits that i have already bought
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23492069 - 07/30/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think most dehydrators can go hot enough to destroy the actives
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23492155 - 07/30/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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throw anything contaminated away....
and use the dehydrator on its high setting. most go to about 165F, which is perfect.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mupetmower]
#23492174 - 07/30/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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But contaminated cake is keep fruiting inside this pos bag. Why throw it away, as you said in another post i have made every fruit is edible from contaminated substrates unless it has visible molds on it
EDIT: It was another member of the forum who said this actually and not you!
Edited by scarecrow14 (07/30/16 10:29 AM)
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23492186 - 07/30/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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so it doesnt have a chance to ruin your other projects. why keep something molded and contam'd when you have something that will produce much more, if it isnt contam'd.. although, it being a kit, it might be/get just as fucked.
but if it were me, i wouldnt keep any contaminated shit in my house.. outside at the very least. but i would just toss it/bury it.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mupetmower]
#23500856 - 08/02/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok folks, in need of the experts once again! I got a second kit as a refund for the first being contaminated BUT guess what, white mold appears in this one too. Am i right? Is this contaminated also? Definitely not shopping from non sponsors of the site. The funny shit is that they tried to convince me that it is supposed to look like this :S
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23500871 - 08/02/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stop messing with kits is my advice.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23500950 - 08/02/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not only are kits unreliable but they are not in the spirit of this hobby. Pastywhyte is very knowledgeable about this stuff and I know if you take the time to learn a tek then you will have a much better experience/yield. PF tek is a great place to start, if done right contamination should be kept to a min. That last pic looks real gross man and it may grow a few fruits but is that worth food poisoning or filling your house with mold spores and other nasty stuff. Good Luck
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yup, that's just what they do, man. take Pasty's advice, and DIY. stop buying kits all together. not just top buying kits and premade stuff from the vendor you got that from, but dont bother with kits/premade from ANY vendor, even the shroomery sponsors.
it really isnt hard to DIY, and it costs much less money to do. with ridiculously better results.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mupetmower]
#23501208 - 08/02/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guys i got into this hobby as a newbie, bought a kit and then i discovered shroomery.By the time i found the forum and all the info for teks etc i have already paid for it. So i got the first one and tried my luck and then the vendor sent a new one so i thought why not. I have already made an SGFC and i have a spore syringe of Albino waiting to be used in pf tek but when i return from holiday at the end of August. I have learned the hard way that kits suck but i am very excited to learn about all the teks and i am looking forward to try them. Thanks for the advice and the time you spend for helping newbies like me. Last question, i have my SGFC in another place than my house for a while, can i keep this shitty kit inside it and then replace perlite and clean it with rubbing alcohol and use it for pf tek in my house or may contams still be present? I think i didnt contaminate the cake but it was already from the vendor. Does this play any role?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23501219 - 08/02/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah it was probably fucked before you got it. and we all had to start somewhere.. i bought premade jars from a vendor before i found the shroomery, but have been doing much better since i started DIY and agar.
and sure, you could keep it inside the SGF,C, but if it were me, i would just toss it or bury it.
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: mupetmower]
#23504355 - 08/03/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello again! Dosage question this time. I am planning to go a one day trip in a mountain nearby and take some shrooms, i have a scale now, what do you think is a good dosage for me (i have a bit of experience with shrooms and LSD but not a lot) and for a first timer? I was thinking 2-3 grams of dried for me and 1-1,5 for a first timer. Any suggestions?
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: scarecrow14]
#23504395 - 08/03/16 03:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Strange growkit out of the box [Re: bodhisatta]
#23504739 - 08/03/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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just remember to take what you think you will want for the whole trip.. redosing doesnt really work after about an hour.
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