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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23410805 - 07/04/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So instead, you keep a closed mind to information that can't be proved, so you really won't put any belief into anything, even if you see it happen, and feel it happen, if it can't be proven is essentially what you are saying.

If you saw a UFO come down land right in front of you, you would not believe what you saw because you can't prove it. This is what you are saying. Does that seem like a reasonable way to think?


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410807 - 07/04/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's not how the scientific approach works.




oh really?

I'm not saying the possibility shouldn't be discussed or explored, I'm just saying the validity of the claim has yet to be determined in any meaningful way, and it contradicts our current paradigm so it is not very sensible to suggest it has any value as that value has not been earned.


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23410809 - 07/04/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've been presented with enough evidence to believe it but that doesn't mean I'm claiming it as fact I'm just making a guess as to which is more likely and through my experience the transdimensional/hyperdimensional view seems like the more likely one. And there's no reason it shouldn't be...I mean it's in the experience itself anyways. Doesn't take a pro analyst to see.


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23410813 - 07/04/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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and it contradicts our current paradigm




You're joking


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23410814 - 07/04/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I really don't think that's an optimal way of thinking, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410817 - 07/04/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No fucking shit it contradicts it. Everything about psychedelics does. That's kind of the joke of the universe if you haven't picked that up yet lmfao


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410820 - 07/04/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No fucking shit it contradicts it. Everything about psychedelics does. That's kind of the joke of the universe if you haven't picked that up yet lmfao




I think most of these people here just take drugs to get "high" lol they aren't interested in anything consciousness expanding.


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23410823 - 07/04/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So instead, you keep a closed mind to information that can't be proved, so you really won't put any belief into anything, even if you see it happen, and feel it happen, if it can't be proven is essentially what you are saying.

If you saw a UFO come down land right in front of you, you would not believe what you saw because you can't prove it. This is what you are saying. Does that seem like a reasonable way to think?




no I think you should keep your mind open to new information, and your model of reality should always be provisional. This is a problem in science to be sure, but if we totally ditched the rigidity science would not function effectively.

however, just because a human experiences something does not mean their experience holds much weight. I'm sure there is a lot more to reality than we can even understand, but the idea is to maximize our understanding in the context we are familiar with to make better decisions and function effectively. That means whatever current paradigm exists is likely far from the 'reality' (if there is such a thing) of the universe, but it should be the most effective working model we can construct. Science has taken us pretty far in terms of understanding, though it has its limits, and I would choose a scientific and reductive approach over hazy thinking any day


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23410828 - 07/04/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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and your model of reality should always be provisional.




It seems you've forgotten that bit


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23410830 - 07/04/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well said and respected.

But.. your experiences shape your reality. That's all I have to add.


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410838 - 07/04/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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and it contradicts our current paradigm




You're joking




no I'm not joking

our world model is probably full of tons of holes, but its more functional than any previous model of the world. I'm not saying psychedelics are absolutely not tuning s into other dimensions

I'm saying there isn't enough evidence to support that over the more traditional view that they 'simply' turn one's gaze inwards

either way it is clear psychedelics have a profound effect on the mind, I just don't see what about hyperspace makes it clearly not a mental creation :shrug:


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410839 - 07/04/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No one said hazy thinking either. This stuff isn't so black and white bud :grin:


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410845 - 07/04/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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and your model of reality should always be provisional.




It seems you've forgotten that bit




not at all, I'm ready to change my model when it proves inadequate or when contradictory evidence shows up (I actually hope it does because I really love ghosts and hyperspace elves and all those awesome things)


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410850 - 07/04/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How is hyperspace a mental creation? There's no reason to assume that or any of what you're saying. There's no evidence to support your opinion.


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23410857 - 07/04/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well said and respected.

But.. your experiences shape your reality. That's all I have to add.




oh yes, for sure. On a societal level there's the problem of contradictory experiences, and it is expedient, perhaps unfortunately, to dismiss the most far-out outleirs
but as an individual for sure, far more of our understanding is emotional too than many of us would like to admit
(I'm sure I'm wrong about most things in fact :crazy2:)


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    #23410860 - 07/04/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I personally think its inevitable to show in the future, scientific evidence that is, probably by 2020. If you look at the past, the present, you can get a good idea for a prediction of the future, you can even create your own future. You are the creator of your reality.

You are aware of the information though, and that's all that really matters. We just don't want to be the ones that said we told ya so :lol:

I will remain an "outlier" to society, and personally "ahead of the pack" in my mind until something proves or disproves my beliefs, and in the reality of it, that is my reality.


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    #23410868 - 07/04/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I personally think its inevitable to show in the future, scientific evidence that is, probably by 2020. If you look at the past, the present, you can get a good idea for a prediction of the future, you can even create your own future. You are the creator of your reality




In a way the future is really the only thing you can control. You can't control the past and you can't fully control the present. The only thing you have compete control over is the future.


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23410869 - 07/04/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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How is hyperspace a mental creation? There's no reason to assume that or any of what you're saying. There's no evidence to support your opinion.




the simplest hypothesis should be examined first. We know the mind exists, we know people exist, we know our experience can be shaped by chemical alterations which have no apparent affect on the outside world. We do not know that alternate dimensions exist, we do not know that they can be contacted, understood, or inhabited, and we certainly -so far- have no way of telling if these experiences are 'real' whatever that means,

I tend to think there probably is something to them, but currently the easiest explanation -and in my mind it isn't inadequate in explaining the phenomena- is that it is a product of the mind

I agree you can't 'know' with certainty that the hallucinations aren't real, in the same way you can never 'know' anything except that you are conscious. However, to have any kind of ability to function in day to day life -assuming one wants to- at a certain point one has to make assumptions. That's just my opinion tho


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23410878 - 07/04/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

I'm not really determined for you guys to be wrong btw, I'd like for you to be right, and I think given time and more experimentation our current models will prove inadequate and have to be adjusted, as they constantly are.

certainly while under the influence one tends to feel that hyperspace beings are very real
by the same token, beings in my dreams often seem convincingly real
(perhaps the two are related, perhaps not.)
I'd just like to see more research into these areas personally


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Re: Do you think drugs tune you into another dimension? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23410879 - 07/04/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

First off there's quite a bit of evidence to support that these experiences are "real" if you actually see how they work on the brain. It lowers the filters and dissolves biological mechanisms in the brain put there for our survival.

Second off there is evidence that alternate realities/dimensions exist.


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