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Morel Guy
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The ego is a system of neural connections that serve as an operator/operating system. It is hard to merge the ego into a dissolution and dose is a big part of the equation. Just slowly munch on some good home grown fungus over several hours then smoke a joint when you could swear you are sober. It's a big surprise and nothing to hang on to fear into. Everything we experience is simply a chemcial pretreatment for our next experience.
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: I don't think I like mushrooms. [Re: Morel Guy]
#23410251 - 07/04/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: The ego is a system of neural connections that serve as an operator/operating system. It is hard to merge the ego into a dissolution and dose is a big part of the equation. Just slowly munch on some good home grown fungus over several hours then smoke a joint when you could swear you are sober. It's a big surprise and nothing to hang on to fear into. Everything we experience is simply a chemcial pretreatment for our next experience.
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shroomlowie



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AuroraBorealis88 said: Psychedelics don't give you what you want they give you what you need.
I am the same way.
No, you give people what YOU think they need. Which, judging by your post above, is probably exactly what THEY don't need.
Psychedelics don't have an ego. You do. So leave off the preachy shit huh?
Not sure if the "preachy shit" was aimed directly at "Psychedelics don't give you what you want they give you what you need." But if so, and not to go too much off topic; would you kindly expand on this?
Also, to the OP - I believe the notion of Psilocybin curing depression (used as a catch all here not implying depression) would suggest one has to be somewhat unconsciously dissatisfied/unfulfilled in their life to then be able to become conscious of said unfulfillment. Imagine carrying this unconscious baggage without the existence of Psilocybin (of course there are arguably others) to show you the baggage? You say you think you don't like mushrooms, but I'm leaning towards you don't like what the mushroom is showing?
Also, if its of any addition; I read all the replies on here and resonated quite strongly with others and yourself. Potentially, and its exceedingly speculative on my part; I think there could be a unconscious unfulfillment in everyone's life that could well be a buried deep phenomenon for the most part of everyones psyche, explaining why people wouldn't like what the mushroom shows. Hell; people don't even like associating/thinking about personal baggage (if they're conscious of it) mushrooms aside, let alone coming face to face with the realization on a high dose of a psychedelic.
I think one of my main points here may well be the fact that many people would come to the conclusion you have? Albeit, without such a pessimistic perspective. I think it's where we go from here that begs the question.
If you have no interests maybe you lost how to create them? I believe most interests are somewhat created, having finding less and less interesting as I get older in my own exp, but I believe there's hope. Not sure what you/anyone else will take from this but I think it's important to note my earlier trips could be explained similarly to the conclusion you came to in a few replies after initial thread, but as time has passed, the trips are more a reflection on it is what it is, and that - is what's enjoyable, especially if in that state you can accept it, playing victim rarely ends well, especially if its passive and buried away.
You mentioned you think you may have ADHD, which is interesting. Can I ask where this thought stemmed from, since you put it quite blunt? Maybe you have grown accustom to becoming too (not meant as a negative) over analytical and are finding holes in everything? I know I'm throwing my perspective in, but I understand the thought of you're the smartest person you know (to paraphrase).
I think this would be a very interesting thread to follow, unless its been overly covered before and has escaped me; I'm thinking it may be an existential crisis of some variety.
Sorry if this came off negatively or pedantic.
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Re: I don't think I like mushrooms. [Re: Morel Guy]
#23410256 - 07/04/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sir are you talking about the biological mechanism known as your sense of self?
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: I don't think I like mushrooms. [Re: shroomlowie]
#23410274 - 07/04/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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shroomlowie said: Not sure if the "preachy shit" was aimed directly at "Psychedelics don't give you what you want they give you what you need." But if so, and not to go too much off topic; would you kindly expand on this?
I think he was just referring to the way I presented my opinion lol. I don't care though because that's just being real. I shouldn't have to pander to anyone, people deserve the truth unfiltered whether they like it or not.
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You say you think you don't like mushrooms, but I'm leaning towards you don't like what the mushroom is showing?
^^^This here was basically my point about giving you not what you want but what you need. To me it doesn't seem like he dislikes mushrooms more so just dislikes the place he is in life right now.
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Smawrpg
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I just get sad everytime I take psychedelics now. I have tripped for almost 5 years, no idea where this came from. I won't even be sad before I trip, but maybe I am just sad deep down. I don't even have a reason for being sad, I have a nice life, people I love and who love me. But that is the main reason why I am not actively looking to trip much more this summer.
Normally psyches shed insight on my problems, but this time, it seems like they just create a problem I don't normally have.
I am always very in-tune with others and the Earth. So one my guesses is that the Earth and it's people are sad and I just pick up on the vibe while tripping.
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: I don't think I like mushrooms. [Re: Smawrpg]
#23410322 - 07/04/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Smawrpg said: I just get sad everytime I take psychedelics now. I have tripped for almost 5 years, no idea where this came from. I won't even be sad before I trip, but maybe I am just sad deep down. I don't even have a reason for being sad, I have a nice life, people I love and who love me. But that is the main reason why I am not actively looking to trip much more this summer.
Just out of curiosity does this happen to you mostly on LSD or other psychs? I've noticed LSD to be an almost kind of "sad" psychedelic and fairly poignant. Psilocybin for me though is a very effective anti-depressant both chemically and psychologically.
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shroomlowie



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shroomlowie said: Not sure if the "preachy shit" was aimed directly at "Psychedelics don't give you what you want they give you what you need." But if so, and not to go too much off topic; would you kindly expand on this?
I think he was just referring to the way I presented my opinion lol. I don't care though because that's just being real. I shouldn't have to pander to anyone, people deserve the truth unfiltered whether they like it or not.
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You say you think you don't like mushrooms, but I'm leaning towards you don't like what the mushroom is showing?
^^^This here was basically my point about giving you not what you want but what you need. To me it doesn't seem like he dislikes mushrooms more so just dislikes the place he is in life right now.
Text-based communication can be pretty hard to show in which light the comment is intended I guess lol, but that aside; if OP was to dislike what it shows, and one was to like what it shows - where would the difference be? Would it be the egos reflection? I've heard many psychedelic speakers say, and I'd agree; they're not meant to be enjoyable, they're gonna bring up things you don't like, they're gonna make you question things, it's pretty much their heresy.. so how does this become enjoyable per se? My thoughts are, from my experience; it's the personal integration you implement upon receiving what you do off a psychedelic trip that's enjoyable/beneficial, where respect for a psychedelic is gained. Almost as though you should look at them as a teacher, when you can learn of their nature and gain more experience the trips can be felt so much more harmoniously instead of negativity due to a resistant force.
I guess my stance would be to not do it for enjoyment purposes and then complain they're not enjoyable (which is not what OP has done by any means) I just think OP is a good example to where the trips self-realization properties can be anxiety inducing.
Also, since we're all here, why is "set" so important if only the conscious mind state is visible? What when something is threw up that's been buried/detached from? When sober, things are much easier to ignore than when on a psychedelic, so my point would be where is the line in making sure "set" is ok? If anyone cares to answer and implies you need a good "set" to enjoy the trip can I ask why they'd be used recreationally anyway?
Hard trips have gave me the most beneficiaries. Although, I very much appreciate everyone is different, hence my set question.
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Re: I don't think I like mushrooms. [Re: shroomlowie]
#23410405 - 07/04/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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shroomlowie said: Text-based communication can be pretty hard to show in which light the comment is intended I guess lol, but that aside; if OP was to dislike what it shows, and one was to like what it shows - where would the difference be? Would it be the egos reflection? I've heard many psychedelic speakers say, and I'd agree; they're not meant to be enjoyable, they're gonna bring up things you don't like, they're gonna make you question things, it's pretty much their heresy.. so how does this become enjoyable per se? My thoughts are, from my experience; it's the personal integration you implement upon receiving what you do off a psychedelic trip that's enjoyable/beneficial, where respect for a psychedelic is gained. Almost as though you should look at them as a teacher, when you can learn of their nature and gain more experience the trips can be felt so much more harmoniously instead of negativity due to a resistant force.
I guess my stance would be to not do it for enjoyment purposes and then complain they're not enjoyable (which is not what OP has done by any means) I just think OP is a good example to where the trips self-realization properties can be anxiety inducing.
Also, since we're all here, why is "set" so important if only the conscious mind state is visible? What when something is threw up that's been buried/detached from? When sober, things are much easier to ignore than when on a psychedelic, so my point would be where is the line in making sure "set" is ok? If anyone cares to answer and implies you need a good "set" to enjoy the trip can I ask why they'd be used recreationally anyway?
Hard trips have gave me the most beneficiaries. Although, I very much appreciate everyone is different, hence my set question.
When it comes to someone not liking what it shows in contrast to someone actually liking what it shows I don't think either one should matter matter because my opinion is not based necessarily on how much I like what it's showing me at the time. I think how the ego feels about the trip is almost entirely invalid if even valid at all. A lot of trips I don't even really appreciate and grow from until after it's over or it doesn't seem "good" until after the trip is gone.
Either way the trip is never really fully gone we're in it right now and taking the psychedelic just makes us notice it more and brings us into it more which is what I think the OP's problem was. He wasn't in the right mindset and all the shrooms probably did was amplify and augment his consciousness until if became more than subliminal and controlled.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is OP is not particularly fond of the the trip he's in right now and something like LSD or mushrooms which intensifies this already existing trip of his he doesn't like what he is presented with.
In terms of what you're saying I think it comes down to what do people think the purpose of the experience is. Do they think it's serious? ascetic possibly? Or are they just trying to get something that will give them what they want instantly? They could also just be taking it to just mess around and have a wild time in which then disclosing of some unhappy personal info may not be so revered and analyzed by the individual.
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Moabfighter
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I apologize for being an asshole before. I think I get what you're saying now. Maybe it's not the mushrooms fault. I think as a human, I simply an unhappy right now, and the mushrooms just bring my unhappyness to the forefront. Maybe if my mental state was better, the mushrooms would Improve my happy feelings. But being generally unhappy, the mushrooms make it worse. Maybe I need to make some life improvements before I try tripping again.
Thank you everyone for the input and help.
Sober today, and feel fine. Although I know deep down I'm not fine. I can manage, sober, but Last night really showed me how truly unhappy I am.
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#23410577 - 07/04/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moabfighter said: I apologize for being an asshole before. I think I get what you're saying now. Maybe it's not the mushrooms fault. I think as a human, I simply an unhappy right now, and the mushrooms just bring my unhappyness to the forefront. Maybe if my mental state was better, the mushrooms would Improve my happy feelings. But being generally unhappy, the mushrooms make it worse. Maybe I need to make some life improvements before I try tripping again.
Thank you everyone for the input and help.
Sober today, and feel fine. Although I know deep down I'm not fine. I can manage, sober, but Last night really showed me how truly unhappy I am.
And that is the wisdom that you attained from your trip. Mushrooms will always show you exactly what you need at the right time. Take it as an opportunity to improve on your self! 
DMT always brings out your true purest form of your self/soul to the forefront.
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Re: I don't think I like mushrooms. [Re: Moabfighter]
#23410580 - 07/04/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Moabfighter said: I apologize for being an asshole before. I think I get what you're saying now. Maybe it's not the mushrooms fault. I think as a human, I simply an unhappy right now, and the mushrooms just bring my unhappyness to the forefront. Maybe if my mental state was better, the mushrooms would Improve my happy feelings. But being generally unhappy, the mushrooms make it worse. Maybe I need to make some life improvements before I try tripping again.
Thank you everyone for the input and help.
Sober today, and feel fine. Although I know deep down I'm not fine. I can manage, sober, but Last night really showed me how truly unhappy I am.
Hey man I was the asshole lol it's alright. I was just trying to also give a different answer than the others I was hearing but the ones adressing your set was as you probably now see may have been accurate.
I would just try your best to improve your place now, like improve this trip you're in right now so you can be prepared to go more into your trip later. Going more into your "trip" will tell you more about yourself.
Hugs then drugs. Peace
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Re: I don't think I like mushrooms. [Re: Smawrpg]
#23410596 - 07/04/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Smawrpg said: I just get sad everytime I take psychedelics now. I have tripped for almost 5 years, no idea where this came from. I won't even be sad before I trip, but maybe I am just sad deep down. I don't even have a reason for being sad, I have a nice life, people I love and who love me. But that is the main reason why I am not actively looking to trip much more this summer.
Normally psyches shed insight on my problems, but this time, it seems like they just create a problem I don't normally have.
I am always very in-tune with others and the Earth. So one my guesses is that the Earth and it's people are sad and I just pick up on the vibe while tripping.
It's probably the thoughts that lead you to emotion, if you are truly not sad in your self, if you feel truly fulfilled in your life and full of love and light and the mushrooms bring out sadness, it's probably due to what you are thinking about, your mindstate changes over the years, you are probably more so focused globally now than your self.
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