|
Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 12,278
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
|
The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business
#23406831 - 07/03/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
If one were starting a business couldn't you just decide to give all your employees a fairly equal share of the profits as their salary, possibly shared ownership/decision making power? Forgive me if I have some misconceptions here, but isn't that the core of communism? The workers owning and sharing the fruits of the business they work at?
I'm just saying, why wait for the state to accept communism? If you really want it, create it in any business you might run. But here's the thing, who would do that? Who would do all the work of starting a company from nothing only to make as much money off of it as everyone who just applied to get a job there.
I mean clearly you would only hire truly qualified folk for such a job, but I think my point stands.
Thoughts?
|
airclay
Morbid and Wrong




Registered: 05/13/11
Posts: 2,788
Loc: Texas
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23407436 - 07/03/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
It is and it isn't. True communism would be a stateless communal ownership. It is tho in the communitarian or horizontal realm of ways to tackle running businesses.
as far as the second part, what you're talking about is sweat equity and how that is acquired and re-payed is all up to owners/employees. There are laws and regulations to follow but within that there is plenty of room for the folks to decide what works best for them.
more info: "Can We Do It Ourselves?" a documentary on economic democracy
"The Take" a documentary of various co-ops and styles of running them in south america
"Markets Not Capitalism" an audiobook put out by Center for a Stateless Society https://c4ss.org/
Quote:
Market anarchists believe in market exchange, not in economic privilege. They believe in free markets, not in capitalism. What makes them anarchists is their belief in a fully free and consensual society — a society in which order is achieved not through legal force or political government, but through free agreements and voluntary cooperation on a basis of equality. What makes them market anarchists is their recognition of free market exchange as a vital medium for peacefully anarchic social order. But the markets they envision are not like the privilege-riddled “markets” we see around us today. Markets laboring under government and capitalism are pervaded by persistent poverty, ecological destruction, radical inequalities of wealth, and concentrated power in the hands of corporations, bosses, and landlords. The consensus view is that exploitation — whether of human beings or of nature — is simply the natural result of markets left unleashed. The consensus view holds that private property, competitive pressure, and the profit motive must — whether for good or for ill — inevitably lead to capitalistic wage labor, to the concentration of wealth and social power in the hands of a select class, or to business practices based on growth at all costs and the devil take the hindmost.
downloadable here: https://c4ss.org/content/12802
-------------------- Give no fucks, take no orders, smash the prisons and the borders. Circle that A motherfucker!
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: airclay]
#23407469 - 07/03/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
This is all irrelevant because "people don't build business, govt does, and you can always trust govt to dole out equal portions fairly and with no concern for themselves..." Elizabeth Warren
|
airclay
Morbid and Wrong




Registered: 05/13/11
Posts: 2,788
Loc: Texas
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23407477 - 07/03/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
fuck out of here w your disruptive drivel
you're entirely misrepresenting that quote
-------------------- Give no fucks, take no orders, smash the prisons and the borders. Circle that A motherfucker!
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23407484 - 07/03/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
hostileuniverse said: This is all irrelevant because "people don't build business, govt does, and you can always trust govt to dole out equal portions fairly and with no concern for themselves..." Elizabeth Warren
This quote is entirely accurate, anyone who says otherwise is a sore loser
|
airclay
Morbid and Wrong




Registered: 05/13/11
Posts: 2,788
Loc: Texas
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23407547 - 07/03/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
lol why would anyone who disagrees w that quote be "a sore loser"? wtf are you on about?
You touting Warren and giving such compliments to the govt after the shit babble you've posted about how the govt and it's bureaucracy ruin everything is a real joke.
regardless again that quote doesn't fit here in that Warren is in favor of a more socialist take on business and the conversation being held frames business as such.
-------------------- Give no fucks, take no orders, smash the prisons and the borders. Circle that A motherfucker!
|
Psilosopherr
A psilly goose



Registered: 02/15/12
Posts: 12,278
Last seen: 1 month, 10 days
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: airclay] 1
#23407677 - 07/03/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
pay him no mind airclay, just some sort of low level troll, like a gremlin of sorts.
I sincerely thank you for your reply and will certainly be watching those videos later tonight
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23407704 - 07/03/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
rbalzer said: pay him no mind airclay, just some sort of low level troll, like a gremlin of sorts.
I sincerely thank you for your reply and will certainly be watching those videos later tonight 
Glad you got good material for your spank bank, enjoy!
|
The Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 3 hours, 21 minutes
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23408192 - 07/03/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Im all for it, but we wont get there until automation strangles jobs
--------------------
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 22 days
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23410207 - 07/04/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:
Quote:
hostileuniverse said: "people don't build business, govt does, and you can always trust govt to dole out equal portions fairly and with no concern for themselves..." Elizabeth Warren
This quote is entirely accurate, anyone who says otherwise is a sore loser
I Googled it and it appears to be more of your make believe. Can you find where she actually said that?
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 22 days
|
Re: The voluntarily communist/socialist corporation/business [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23410213 - 07/04/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
There seem to be a fair number of coops springing up now. I think that's what you're talking about.
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
|
|