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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23405323 - 07/02/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor people", right...
Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.
all places with universal health care have private systems. The public system is often better but you normally need to wait unless its urgent. However for small routine operations private is great because you can skip the cues.
However EVERYONE no matter how poor you are can access health care and these people dont have to be in debt for life like in murica where you need to pay $300 for iv fluids.
Even the poorest in America can access healthcare, and in a timely fashion...
So... The main difference is wait time? And have to pay if you can afford it? I think I'll stick with good ole American style
I'd rather pay for something and get treated in a timely fashion than get it for "free" and have to wait for "non urgent" care
Really your saying your ER has no waiting time? and that poor people can just magically get free health care?
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
#23405350 - 07/02/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's nothing magical about it, go into an ER with a problem and they'll treat you.
When I was rushed into an emergency room half dead, there was no wait time.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23405362 - 07/02/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I was rushed into an emergency room half dead, there was no wait time.
well yea of course... But im saying if you go into an ER with minor problem your going to have a waiting time.
And what you also have no wait time on surgeries?
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
#23405370 - 07/02/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can only speak from my own experience, but when I went to get my broken nose x-rayed, the wait time was about half an hour. Which isn't an issue.
Never been to surgery, not sure how all of that works.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
#23405373 - 07/02/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said: Really your saying your ER has no waiting time? and that poor people can just magically get free health care?
I'm pretty sure I've said this several times in this thread myself
wife+pneumonia=ICU/2weeks that bill must have been fucking huge but I never saw it
waiting time is under an hour in the local ICU, it was immediate that day
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23405379 - 07/02/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Now now. Let's not go from one extreme to another. We were full universal a few decades ago and the waiting time was hell. Since then we opened up a few private clinics for those who want to pay for care on top of paying taxes for the universal system and it's been a success. The rich can pay for what they want, which takes them out of the line so service for others come faster. Everybody wins.
so you're saying that Canada's flawless healthcare system is moving away from universal healthcare but only for the ultra wealthy because fuck the "poor people", right...
Yes for the rich and the poor get it free without question or penalty. There's no "fuck the poor" in this equation.
so you're saying that canada will ship the poor out of the country for immediate, lifesaving treatments and will pay for everything?
Hahaha! Yeah right, and they have even less access to the latest drugs,
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When I was rushed into an emergency room half dead, there was no wait time.
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Never been to surgery, not sure how all of that works.
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I'm pretty sure I've said this several times in this thread myself
wife+pneumonia=ICU/2weeks that bill must have been fucking huge but I never saw it
waiting time is under an hour in the local ICU, it was immediate that day
That moment when the snobby radical socialist is fucking owned!
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68] 2
#23405439 - 07/02/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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kakashi68 said: ell yea of course... But im saying if you go into an ER with minor problem your going to have a waiting time.
That's the entire point of triage. You have a waiting time because your injury is not serious. I'm not keeping up with this thread or going all the way back through it but are you saying our system is fucked up because the guy with the broken finger is not going before the guy who is bleeding all over the place just because broken finger guy walked in 10 minutes earlier?
Going to the ER is not a first come first serve basis. The people who need help more, get it first. That is exactly as it should be.
If you end up waiting for 4 hours to be seen because it's been a hectic day and high priorities keep streaming in, and complain about the wait time, that makes you a pretty shitty and selfish person honestly.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23405496 - 07/02/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Pretty sure Canada still actually has private health insurance, those who can afford it, buy it because their healthcare sucks that bad...
If Canada's healthcare "sucks that bad" then why do most people seem to be happy with it? Campaigning on ditching public healthcare here would be political suicide.
Private health insurance in Canada is something you would typically get through an employer and covers things like prescription drugs, dental care and private rooms during hospital stays. It doesn't get you some extra special tier of better doctor care. Paying out of pocket for private insurance is a waste of money unless you're traveling out of the country.
Would be interesting to see an approval poll on it though
My only point was that for the touted "best healthcare in the world" why do they even have private insurance, if govt run was so great, one would think there would be no market for private insurers
Probably some government somewhere has universal coverage for prescriptions and dental, but that doesn't exist in Canada so it's a desirable employment perk. Same for shit like chiropractors and massage therapy and counseling and whatever, your employer may think it's worthwhile to buy you coverage but it's beyond the scope of what the government here does.
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I've lived my whole on the border with Canadians, first hand accounts don't make good policy debate, but the Canadian run system is far from the utopia so many talk it up as being
Well yeah a utopia is just a fantasy, no system is perfect. A lot of criticisms of the Canadian system are exaggerated by people with political axes to grind though. For example some people make it sound like Canadians flood over the US border in droves to get medical care. On closer inspection the numbers are very low relative to the total population, and things get framed in a way that makes it sound like Canadians who happened to need medical care while visiting the US made the trip for the purpose of getting medical care. One problem that is pretty common is finding a GP who's accepting patients. For a lot of people that role is filled by walk-in clinics, where you can probably see a doctor in a somewhat timely fashion but they won't be "your" doctor.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: psi]
#23405542 - 07/02/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds familiar, people here on Medicaid, Medicare, and tricare, those are our govt provided healthcare plans for poor and people who serve in the military, are the ones who have trouble finding a GP. Sounds to me like, becuase govt always pays way less than insurance companies do, GP's can only accept so many before they start losing money on them.
I just wouldn't want that for all of America,'sounds like a frigging nightmare
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23405572 - 07/02/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good thing you don't live here then I guess.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
#23405597 - 07/02/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I found this interesting
Killing ObamaCare: Explaining King vs Burwell
Burwell should of won this. There was 10 million people before with out healthcare they would of been just fine with out it again...
Does any one want a video of what a liberal is next.. I found it pretty interesting...
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23406202 - 07/03/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world.
according to whom and based on what criteria?
Do your research.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: kakashi68]
#23406683 - 07/03/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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In a society where you expect welfare-ism and socialism the people expect the Government to take care of them but what the people should do is what ever they want to do and assume responsibility for them selves. Obviously my advice would be they should have a medical policy but not be forced.
Freedom is about taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody is crazy.
Should we just let some one die if they are un insured? Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it- take care of them, this is how it was done in 1960's. Either way it's your own risks. We have given up on the whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for our selves.
This is why the cost is so high. We dump it on the government it becomes a bureaucracy, it becomes special interests. We have lack of competition. There is no competition in medicine today, everybody is protected by licensing, we should actually legalize alternative health care- allow people to practice what they want.
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23406785 - 07/03/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Sounds familiar, people here on Medicaid, Medicare, and tricare, those are our govt provided healthcare plans for poor and people who serve in the military, are the ones who have trouble finding a GP. Sounds to me like, becuase govt always pays way less than insurance companies do, GP's can only accept so many before they start losing money on them.
I just wouldn't want that for all of America,'sounds like a frigging nightmare
actually it's not that, insurance companies will demand a 20% discount and most doctors and even hospitals will give you the same discount of you're paying out of pocket, government pays full price but the big problem is, getting government to pay, they like to stall as long as they can and sometimes not pay at all. many doctors stopped accepting new medicare/medicaid patients for this reason, a few others have resorted to double billing and marking up the cost of servivces and other types of frauds in order to recoup their losses
why would doctors want to accept patients referred by crooks
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: Patlal]
#23406793 - 07/03/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: As for France. The health care system is #1 in the world.
according to whom and based on what criteria?
Do your research.
how about you tell me... unless you cant because it was some retardedly arbitrary criteria developed by the WHO based on socialized medicine
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Re: This image is total proof that universal healthcare is nesscary. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23406822 - 07/03/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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The truth is all this welfare stuff other than the disabled is just lazy people. Their lazy. They don't want to work hard yet they want the same things that people that work hard get. Such as private health insurance. But they cant so they have to get government. Nice apartments, lots of food, college. They deserve non of it from the tax dollar. What they do deserve is to go to work like the rest of us and work for it like the rest of us. Same goes with any form of insurance.
The main main problem with the USA is all the contaminated way's of the world's communist loving - socialistic loving - welfare loving- dictatorship loving people are trying to rub off onto us. I mean you gotta think about it. I mean think about it... let's say you have a gold nugget. Every thing around it is turd nuggets. All the turd's are going to get jealous and will try to turn the gold nugget into a turd nugget. It's just natural.
jealousy run's rampant.
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