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Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers 1
#23405115 - 07/02/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/01/technology/apple-fbi-court-line/index.html
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It seems that the federal government has made a demand -- in a controversial secret court -- to spy on Reddit users.
Normally, the discussion website Reddit would never be allowed to even acknowledge that it received such a request. But thanks to a legal hack, the company has tipped off its customers.
Federal agencies have a tool of mass surveillance called a "National Security Letter." It's a formal request that's usually issued by the FBI to an American company seeking information about customers.
The legal demand is approved by the FBI itself -- unlike a warrant, which must be approved by a judge. And the subject company that receives a National Security Letter must stay absolutely silent about it.
Sometimes, even a company's CEO doesn't know.
If this request is anything like previous ones, the government is likely seeking the true identities of some Reddit customers by obtaining computer logs of all their activity on the website. The government is also likely looking at the Internet Protocol address of customers' computers to figure out their physical location.
How Reddit made this public
Ever since ex-NSA contractor Edward Snowden in 2013 revealed the extent of U.S. government surveillance, some technology companies have adopted a legal hack to alert the public when they receive these secret demands for information.
It's called a "warrant canary." Here's the logic: Although a company can't say when it has received a National Security Letter, it can say when it has not received one. So, some companies have included special language in public statements saying things like, "We haven't received an NSL yet."
The idea is, when an NSL comes around, the language disappears. It's like a canary in a coal mine that dies when exposed to toxic gas.
Only a few companies -- mostly high tech ones that have a strong pro-privacy stance -- have adopted this, such as websites Pinterest, Reddit, and Tumblr, software maker Adobe, phone maker Silent Circle, and mobile cybersecurity company Lookout.
In Reddit's case, the company previously included this language in its 2014 "transparency report," which documented how many times governments have requested information on Reddit users.
"As of January 29, 2015, reddit has never received a National Security Letter," the company wrote then. "If we ever receive such a request, we would seek to let the public know it existed."
That language disappeared in its next transparency report. Reuters was the first to discover this.
Reddit did not respond to requests for comment. But the company wouldn't legally be allowed to disclose anything anyway.
It's impossible for CNNMoney to determine what the national security letter requested. It could be full information on a single user -- or everyone.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: xpl0de]
#23405171 - 07/02/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's called a "warrant canary." Here's the logic: Although a company can't say when it has received a National Security Letter, it can say when it has not received one. So, some companies have included special language in public statements saying things like, "We haven't received an NSL yet."
And here's your fucking thought crime wave
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: xpl0de] 1
#23405218 - 07/02/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: xpl0de]
#23405858 - 07/03/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lucked out on the Senate vote on this, I'm sure the FBI is going to keep trying to push this spy method through congress until eventually everything is fair game without a warrant.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: tdubz]
#23406028 - 07/03/16 03:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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We already live in a survelliance society, they put tabs on retarded children for christ sakes and then they want to see YOUR drug history
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Konyap]
#23406036 - 07/03/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The government has known every ones health/drug history since computers were invented.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: tdubz]
#23406279 - 07/03/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The drug war is like a guerilla war and the US is not good at guerrilla wars.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Morel Guy]
#23406910 - 07/03/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: The drug war is like a guerilla war and the US is not good at guerrilla wars.
Well, it's government policy and public opinion that hasn't been good for "guerilla wars". If taken of the leash, the special operations units that specialize in Unconventional Warfare ((US Army Special Forces are experts at this task, as well as SFOD-Delta and ST6, Marine Raiders etc.)) would be able to operate without excessive legal constraint. It's lawyers who ultimately give final authorization for missions.
The US has the best SOF command on earth and we already engage in Unconventional Warfare via JSOC's highly successful worldwide Kill/Capture campaign. You don't hear about most of this in the news unless you're really looking for it, and even then it's only what's released or leaked. They are by nature jobs/tasks that if done right nobody ever hears about them.
That being said, the drug war is not like guerilla warfare. You could call it many things...a low-intensity conflict, Political/Psychological/Economic warfare, Social engineering, hell even a class war or a war on cognitive liberty. But no, not guerilla warfare.
Edited by MidnightCity (07/03/16 12:12 PM)
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: MidnightCity]
#23407440 - 07/03/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You mean to tell me South American and South East Asia guerilla do not traffic drugs?
PLEASEEEeeee!!!
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Morel Guy]
#23407654 - 07/03/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: You mean to tell me South American and South East Asia guerilla do not traffic drugs?
PLEASEEEeeee!!!
Whut? That's a tiny part of the global war on drugs, one gear in a big machine. You can split hairs all you want but the problem is infinitely bigger than a few extremist political/military factions who happen to source part of their funding from drug trafficking activities.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: MidnightCity]
#23407675 - 07/03/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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MidnightCity said:
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Morel Guy said: You mean to tell me South American and South East Asia guerilla do not traffic drugs?
PLEASEEEeeee!!!
Whut? That's a tiny part of the global war on drugs, one gear in a big machine. You can split hairs all you want but the problem is infinitely bigger than a few extremist political/military factions who happen to source part of their funding from drug trafficking activities.
It is not a small part. Guerilla tactics/groups produce and traffic a majority of drugs outside the USA. Within the states organized crime uses tactics that are much like intelligence activities. A huge part of what Spec ops do are anti narcotic operations. Narco terrorists are big players. Bin laden profited hugely from heroin. Drugs are a natural resource and are fought over as such. It's as big of a prize as oil and gas.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Morel Guy]
#23408348 - 07/03/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Outa control gov ,ppl that work for any type of le should be ashamed of themselves,tyrants..bullys
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: 5150]
#23408678 - 07/03/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the canary is down? We knew this day would come :[
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Morel Guy]
#23408698 - 07/03/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree, and of course America profits from the drug war as well just like everyone else while they are "countering" it at the same time.
Edited by tdubz (07/04/16 12:54 AM)
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: tdubz]
#23409003 - 07/04/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I guess this leads to the question. What about the Shroomery?
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Dleucomelas]
#23409557 - 07/04/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great question! Is there such language at all anywhere on the site or a place where it *used* to be? 0.0
I remember RR sent me a msg back in the day saying that they never gave info away about anyone... But of course RR has been away from shroomery for a while now.
Honestly: this would SEEM like a great place for 5.0 to lurk around, with peoples pics and logs and ips and such (and possibly FB pages!)
But if not interested in busting some 19 year old PF tekker or some guy with trichoderma in his tub, really wont find much else of interest
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Fractal420]
#23412147 - 07/04/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Still kind of a frightening thought that our activities may or may not be watched without our knowledge. Orwellian much?
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: kelkoe]
#23412441 - 07/05/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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good point i think reddit is getting hit the hardest due to the massive link to the dn markets
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: rackem]
#23416567 - 07/06/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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rackem said: good point i think reddit is getting hit the hardest due to the massive link to the dn markets
Yes def. kinda a dumb move if you ask me to be so public, but, people wanna get on i guess...
(Just try to have SOME security? Lol. For a black market? Other than just tor of course)
BUT the larger question here is about Shroomery i think, someone raised a great point. HAS this forum or website ever had to do this? Any point in time? I know there was a period where someone died and there was some scrunity... But yeah as a regular user, this info is clearly very important!
https://canarywatch.org
^they listed many canaries, which included lots of VPN's but eventually couldnt keep up with how hard they are to catch by one group of people. Its a good source of info on how this works.
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Edited by Fractal420 (07/06/16 10:59 AM)
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Dleucomelas]
#23419116 - 07/07/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dleucomelas said: So I guess this leads to the question. What about the Shroomery?
Reddit is huge...this site...no so much.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: AEL1911]
#23419321 - 07/07/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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But.... can an admin or someone give us some disclosure? Or is that the point? Is the shroomery compromised and thats that? They say if the canary went off just once, that could mean "we arent able to speak freely anymore"
Even tho reddit does list actual DNMS and rcs and such, this site is still very well known for its drug users and obv pics of grows. And their ips. Takes someone in real denial to pretend thats not sensitive info when put together. look no further than journals and grow lows
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Fractal420]
#23419523 - 07/07/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nah I'm sure if we had some research chem legal and one of the OTD'ers offed themselves there'd be a scandal people would be reading into shit showing people on t.v. how fucking stupid people are here lol
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Fractal420]
#23420114 - 07/07/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every thing is recorded on the internet...even on here, what makes the Shroomery any different? do they have an auto delete of logs of IP addresses every time someone makes a post? No.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Fractal420]
#23422256 - 07/08/16 03:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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unless something has changed i think the ery has been subpoenaed once.
i just dont think we have that big of a footprint to have something crazy like that happen.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: rackem]
#23422291 - 07/08/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The FBI is interested in the RC vendors who sell their shit on reddit. They dont give a fuck about the drug users
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rackem



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didnt know anything about that.. i dont frequent reddit that often any more.
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: rackem]
#23425731 - 07/09/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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All forums say the same thing "not us". The more private rc forums are so small and they all say that (not reddit's crazy ass source lists). Most of those communities, historically, go down after some time. Shroomery is not any safer and is more well known than the rc sites, and actually has more illegal activity that simply cant even be challenged (p. Cubensis vs random powder #41)
Huge grows that maybe alot of us just like to watch but in the eyes of LE a big monotub leads to some *probable* (at least to them) sales
I love the shroomery, just saying id be SURPRISED if this site wasnt watched, allll the time.
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Edited by Fractal420 (07/09/16 06:27 AM)
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Re: Reddit hints that U.S. now spying on its customers [Re: Fractal420]
#23427011 - 07/09/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or if several established members were not leo themselves..
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