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    #23405010 - 07/02/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

hi everyone,

I am new to DMT but very fascinated in this substance. I have never tried it, but am preparing to perform my first extraction. Is it as difficult as it seems to extract it? I mean a non-aqueous extract, in other words extracting dmt freebase and not an orally-active preparation. From all the extraction teks I have browsed, It seems like lazy man's tek is the easiest to perform, although it requires sodium hydroxide. I'm a little reluctant to work with that material.

I just wanted to know if it is worth obtaining all the materials needed and performing the extraction. Thanks


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23405098 - 07/02/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

never extracted it but have smoked it, if you have never done it and have confidence in your kitchen chemistry skills, id say absolutely worth it.

Brace yourself. Words cannot and never will come even close to explaining what you're pursuing. 6 seconds in when the realization and physical feeling that time and locality isn't actually a thing and never has been is non-metaphorically thrust upon you... all bets are off.



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Re: DMT [Re: milktruck]
    #23405110 - 07/02/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

that sounds interesting! Does this mean that I should attempt extraction with volatile and hazardous chemicals? I wish there was a simpler way to extract DMT than using corrosive horrible chemicals.


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23405117 - 07/02/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i imagine you could use grain alcohol or something but would be a horrendously impure end product, but would likely be concentrated enough to work, is alcohol soluble for sure, cleaned the smelly shit (smells a lot like a nursing home) outta my pipes many times more easily than resin and alcohol concentrated hash is great.

would have to be absolutely sure there are no other toxins present in the plant material first, and i have never done this and have no real idea if this would work or not, but the chemistry should be there, i imagine would be a safe way to make it for personal use, but would not be of any real sellable quality id imagine

i consider myself an experienced DMT smoker, and have done it maybe 25-30 times over 8-10 years (lololol), a total of maybe 3-4 grams worth of pure material. my first purchased batch of 10 grams still sits at least 60% full in the freezer and will likely last the rest of my life


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Re: DMT [Re: milktruck]
    #23405134 - 07/02/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I read that the molecule is in salt form in the plant so using everclear or isopropyl alcohol would extract it but it wouldn't be smokeable or would be unable to vaporize because the salt form of the dmt would immediately burn up.


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23405137 - 07/02/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

not sure then lol, im sure someone that actually knows what their talking about will chime in at some point


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Re: DMT [Re: milktruck]
    #23405207 - 07/02/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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my first purchased batch of 10 grams still sits at least 60% full in the freezer and will likely last the rest of my life




you purchased 10 grams of dmt somewhere? I didn't know it was purchasable (well besides dark-net vendors...)

I wish I could find this somewhere I am not prepared to work with caustic soda (lye).


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23405381 - 07/02/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I wish someone would help me with this. I want to extract DMT but not work with caustic lye.

Could I simply mix mimosa hostilis powder with pickling lime (calcium hydroxide, a somewhat strong base) in a large canning jar and then fill jar with everclear and let soak over night, shaking periodically? And then filter and evaporate the liquid and be left with some type of material that can be smoked?


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23405446 - 07/02/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I too would like to know this. i know some people who would be interested in a way to simply purify to the point of being useful rather than to the point of being quality you could peddle xD


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Re: DMT [Re: milktruck]
    #23405464 - 07/02/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look into doing an STB extraction.  Get Lye, Naptha, Distilled Water and MHRB (i prefer) or Acacia


Read the teks.

I thought an extraction was overwhelming until I did it my first time. Now its just like im cooking dinner.


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Re: DMT [Re: milktruck] * 1
    #23405488 - 07/02/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Washing soda and 99% Isopropyl Alcohol, it doesn't make pure DMT crystals but apparently makes a full spectrum freebased smokable extract in goo/oil form that can be evaporated onto an herb and smoked. Or you could try washing soda and Naptha for pure DMT crystals.

The way i've made my Changa/Enhanced Leaf, is by boiling up the Mimosa or Acacia, filtering out the root, reducing the liquid down to a small amount (like 75 to 50mls or less if possible), and once it's room temp i toss in enough washing soda to dry up all the liquid, which leaves a washing soda/Mimosa or Acacia freebased paste. The paste, once fully dried, can be loaded into a jar with the solvent, the jar is heated with the lid off (i use a candle warmer, but people apparently use hot or warm water baths or something), stirred periodically, and once the solvent turns yellow, it's poured off through a coffee filter and either evaporated (Iso) or freeze precipitated (Naptha). This is just how i do or would do things, so you don't have to follow what i do, but it should give you a hint at how to go about it.

I've actually got some Naptha now, so i may attempt a Mimosa extract/DMT precipitation one day, also have plenty of washing soda (store bought, but can also make washing soda by heating baking soda in the oven at 400 degrees/f for an hour). I guess i'll do it whenever i'm ready to experiment around with pure DMT, but for the time being i prefer Ayahuasca, and sometimes Changa.


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Re: DMT [Re: Sabnock]
    #23405534 - 07/02/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Washing soda and 99% Isopropyl Alcohol, it doesn't make pure DMT crystals but apparently makes a full spectrum freebased smokable extract in goo/oil form that can be evaporated onto an herb and smoked. Or you could try washing soda and Naptha for pure DMT crystals.

The way i've made my Changa/Enhanced Leaf, is by boiling up the Mimosa or Acacia, filtering out the root, reducing the liquid down to a small amount (like 75 to 50mls or less if possible), and once it's room temp i toss in enough washing soda to dry up all the liquid, which leaves a washing soda/Mimosa or Acacia freebased paste. The paste, once fully dried, can be loaded into a jar with the solvent, the jar is heated with the lid off (i use a candle warmer, but people apparently use hot or warm water baths or something), stirred periodically, and once the solvent turns yellow, it's poured off through a coffee filter and either evaporated (Iso) or freeze precipitated (Naptha). This is just how i do or would do things, so you don't have to follow what i do, but it should give you a hint at how to go about it.

I've actually got some Naptha now, so i may attempt a Mimosa extract/DMT precipitation one day, also have plenty of washing soda (store bought, but can also make washing soda by heating baking soda in the oven at 400 degrees/f for an hour). I guess i'll do it whenever i'm ready to experiment around with pure DMT, but for the time being i prefer Ayahuasca, and sometimes Changa.



+1  no one like the smell of lye, is horrid, i may order some root bark and do this just to get some product that doesnt smell like mothballs


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Re: DMT [Re: milktruck]
    #23405833 - 07/03/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

would regular arm and hammer washing soda work just fine? I have some of that around the house...

could I mix this with an even amount of Mhrb powder in a canning jar and cover with isopropyl alcohol? I can only find 93% isopropyl alcohol where I live, will that work?

also, I had a friend who tried a similar tek once and he said the washing soda completely ruined his mhrb; after combining and mixing with alcohol the entire mixture turned into a dark green/black sludge...which is why I'm asking if pickling lime would work better...

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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23405851 - 07/03/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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would regular arm and hammer washing soda work just fine? I have some of that around the house...

could I mix this with an even amount of Mhrb powder in a canning jar and cover with isopropyl alcohol? I can only find 93% isopropyl alcohol where I live, will that work?

also, I had a friend who tried a similar tek once and he said the washing soda completely ruined his mhrb; after combining and mixing with alcohol the entire mixture turned into a dark green/black sludge...which is why I'm asking if pickling lime would work better...

ok thanks




As long as it doesn't contain Aluminum or anything, just Sodium Carbonate. You could try mixing the washing soda with the Mimosa powder, and while you can use 93% iso (i've used 91% before), it'll also pull some of the washing soda and other water soluble impurities due to the water content, and if pickling lime is water soluble it'd do the same as well, which is why i use 99% iso (which i buy on ebay) and the 1% water content doesn't make much of a difference ime. And like i said earlier, you can use Naptha for freeze precipitating pure DMT crystals.

And usually when a base is added to Mimosa liquid, the liquid will turn black, i haven't seen a dark green though. There may be some sludge/sediment, but if based and pulled properly, none of that will make it in the end product.

And remember, you wanna do multiple pulls with fresh solvent each time, until you've exhausted the Mimosa root and have extracted all the goodies. Usually i stop doing pulls when there's not much yellow color in the solvent anymore, and then i might do one more just in case.


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland] * 1
    #23405857 - 07/03/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lye is nasty stuff, but I think acid->base extraction is the way to go. Naptha is a GREAT solvent. I've been performing an extraction with Calcium Hydroxide (Lime, Ca(OH)2) instead of Lye - it works great with decent yields. Im most stoked because you can pull pure white crystal using lime and it's food safe! I preform a-b extractions without gloves or safety goggles! I think it is really worth it to do an acid->base or STB tek rather than isopropyl extraction. I have fucked around with less potent DMT extracts like water or alcohol extracted - the product is psychedelic, but having crystal is soooo much better because you can dab it or make changa or dissolve onto herb or whatever.
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Re: DMT [Re: trippyfish]
    #23405866 - 07/03/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think it is really worth it to do an acid->base or STB tek rather than isopropyl extraction.




What i do is not an isopropyl extraction, it's usually STB, no acid, just brew up the Mimosa or Acacia, reduce it down, once cooled toss in enough washing soda to base it and dry up the liquid, once dry it's put into a jar with 99% iso and the jar is put on a candle warmer for heat, i stir periodically, once the iso is yellow it's filtered through a coffee filter and evaporated down to yield a red freebase oil that can either be evaporated onto an herb for enhanced leaf or changa, or crystallized by dissolving the freebase oil in naptha and freeze precipitating it.


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Re: DMT [Re: Sabnock]
    #23405875 - 07/03/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

would it work to simply mix the washing soda with mimosa powder and then put it a jar with 99 percent isopropyl alcohol and shake periodically over the course of 12 hours, then filter and evaporate?

what if the washing soda i have has aluminum or fragrances or anything else in it? How can I be sure? it is arm and hammer washing soda

(btw the pictures in your signature are very distracting)


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    #23405883 - 07/03/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

and with the other tek, you simply mix mimosa powder with white vinegar, then boiling water, then pickling lime, then add naphtha, stir, then decant naphtha and evaporate?

that sounds very easy


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland] * 1
    #23405918 - 07/03/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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and with the other tek, you simply mix mimosa powder with white vinegar, then boiling water, then pickling lime, then add naphtha, stir, then decant naphtha and evaporate?

that sounds very easy



just about. Its a very simple process, but its not hard to fuck up. As long as you careful not to collect excess moisture in the final phases its super easy.

I've been evaporating my extract straight onto a blend of herb (mostly blue lotus) but freeze precipitation is how you get the white crystals. The process of freeze precipitation is to just freeze the extract and then decant the solvent after the crystals have crashed. However dcanting won't get 100% of the solvent off so you'll have to let those crystals dry some


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23405964 - 07/03/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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would it work to simply mix the washing soda with mimosa powder and then put it a jar with 99 percent isopropyl alcohol and shake periodically over the course of 12 hours, then filter and evaporate?

what if the washing soda i have has aluminum or fragrances or anything else in it? How can I be sure? it is arm and hammer washing soda

(btw the pictures in your signature are very distracting)




You could try mixing the washing soda with the Mimosa powder, but you'd still probably wanna add a little water to the Mimosa/washing soda mix and let it dry before putting it in a jar with the iso. I don't think i've ever mixed the Mimosa powder with the washing soda, usually just boil up the Mimosa powder, but i've seen teks where people use the powdered root and don't boil it up so i'm guessing it's fine. You definitely wanna heat it up a bit though, not too hot, but warm enough to get things going, as warm solvent tends to absorb the alkaloids more.

And look on the back of the arm and hammer box, if it just says Sodium Carbonate, you should be good.


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    #23406382 - 07/03/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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and with the other tek, you simply mix mimosa powder with white vinegar, then boiling water, then pickling lime, then add naphtha, stir, then decant naphtha and evaporate?

that sounds very easy



just about. Its a very simple process, but its not hard to fuck up. As long as you careful not to collect excess moisture in the final phases its super easy.

I've been evaporating my extract straight onto a blend of herb (mostly blue lotus) but freeze precipitation is how you get the white crystals. The process of freeze precipitation is to just freeze the extract and then decant the solvent after the crystals have crashed. However decanting won't get 100% of the solvent off so you'll have to let those crystals dry some




thanks. My only question is, can the freeze-precipitate step be skipped, and instead of putting the decanted naphtha in the freezer, can it simply be put in a tray and evaporated?


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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23406476 - 07/03/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I just evaporate the naptha left behind in seed gunk when when removing estercoomerol from HBMG or Purpurea. It fully avaporates, I know that much


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    #23406480 - 07/03/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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thanks. My only question is, can the freeze-precipitate step be skipped, and instead of putting the decanted naphtha in the freezer, can it simply be put in a tray and evaporated?




Yes, but freeze-precipitation makes nicer crystals and then you don't create the fumes from evaporating the naphtha. And you get to reuse your naphtha.

Don't evaporate. That's just lazy n wasteful.


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    #23406489 - 07/03/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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thanks. My only question is, can the freeze-precipitate step be skipped, and instead of putting the decanted naphtha in the freezer, can it simply be put in a tray and evaporated?




Yes, but freeze-precipitation makes nicer crystals and then you don't create the fumes from evaporating the naphtha. And you get to reuse your naphtha.

Don't evaporate. That's just lazy n wasteful.




can i do this when removing estercoomerol from morning glory and still reuse the naptha?


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    #23406511 - 07/03/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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thanks. My only question is, can the freeze-precipitate step be skipped, and instead of putting the decanted naphtha in the freezer, can it simply be put in a tray and evaporated?




Yes, but freeze-precipitation makes nicer crystals and then you don't create the fumes from evaporating the naphtha. And you get to reuse your naphtha.

Don't evaporate. That's just lazy n wasteful.




can i do this when removing estercoomerol from morning glory and still reuse the naptha?




Maybe. Could try it or look up the solubility. I know it works specially with DMT because it's soluble in warm naphtha and insoluble in cool naphtha. A couple google searches didn't look hopeful but I don't know anything about morning glory extraction.


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    #23406760 - 07/03/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

ahhh, estercoomerol is cold soluable in naptha, cant use heat at all when working with morning glory or the active principle is destroyed entirely. shoudl have thought a bit clearer about what you were describing lol


if ya dont want a tummy ache gotta wash out that estercoomerol (emetic) from the MG before you perform your grain alcohol (70% ish return on active principle by weight) or pet ether (90%+ return of active principle by weight) extraction

i think you can skip the naptha was if using pet ether, but i dont remember, i dont just because i fucking hate that emetic's qualities and do all i can to get rid of it because i LOVE good LSA, one of the best psychs around if dosed high enough, assuming you can get rid of the emetic that is :wink: and assuming you can deal with a couple hours of leg cramps, the cyanidic glousides of HBWR will also bind efficiently to the naptha if anyone is interested :wink:

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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23406922 - 07/03/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)






thanks. My only question is, can the freeze-precipitate step be skipped, and instead of putting the decanted naphtha in the freezer, can it simply be put in a tray and evaporated?




yes, but there is a decent chance that air exposure will convert some N,N-DMT to DMT-N-Oxide, reducing potency. I have been skipping the freeze precipitation step by layering the bottom of my dish with an herbal smoking blend then pouring DMT rich naptha on top then evaporate in a cool dark room with a fan (out of experience, I feel like sunlight might contribute to that conversion to DMT-N-Oxide).

To make a good enhanced herb I'll usually have to put a couple pulls onto the herb, one pull of 50g MHRB onto one gram herb makes some mellow stuff, pull and evaporate three more times over and that stuff can get intense!


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    #23406940 - 07/03/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think I am going to try this washing soda and 99% isopropyl alcohol method of extracting DMT. I saw pictures of how it comes out and it seems like a totally good, pure product - it is a dark red freebase resin/oil. I'm sure that can be vaporized on its own or mixed with parsley or something and smoked. And I believe it is full spectrum extract which for many people seems even better than just a crystal extract.

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Re: DMT [Re: healerfromtheland]
    #23407215 - 07/03/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think I am going to try this washing soda and 99% isopropyl alcohol method of extracting DMT. I saw pictures of how it comes out and it seems like a totally good, pure product - it is a dark red freebase resin/oil. I'm sure that can be vaporized on its own or mixed with parsley or something and smoked. And I believe it is full spectrum extract which for many people seems even better than just a crystal extract.

thanks for this advice



:facepalm3:

When you're new to this, it seems all you're able to find are the most popular outdated teks. 90% of extractors, especially the majority here, are using outdated and inferior teks or working with Acacia. They always suggest the same popular outdated teks because that's all they ever try and they think their goop is good enough. I haven't heard of anyone using calcium carbonate and IPA for DMT extractions in years. The best tek and by far the easiest tek is the Q21Q21 A/B that trippyfish already mentioned.

Anyone care to tell me factually what their "full-spectrum" DMT extract really is? None of them know, and none of them really care. That red color is from the oils, the goo is from the fats. It's not more psychoactive, it's not smoother. It's low-quality product from a bad tek.

Sorry if those words seem harsh but I don't think people understand how easy it is to get good, clean stuff when you're willing to look past the pools of outdated information.


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    #23407399 - 07/03/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, even crystals can turn into goo/oil. I've never had an issue with the goo/oil personally, have had some amazing experiences with Changa. I am thinking about making some crystals sometime or another soon, but evaporating the goo/oil onto an herb has been just fine for me.


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    #23420240 - 07/07/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I haven't heard of anyone using calcium carbonate and IPA for DMT extractions in years.




washing soda isn't calcium carbonate, it's sodium carbonate and from what i've seen it extracts perfect red-colored freebase oil.


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    #23421229 - 07/07/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually, even crystals can turn into goo/oil. I've never had an issue with the goo/oil personally, have had some amazing experiences with Changa. I am thinking about making some crystals sometime or another soon, but evaporating the goo/oil onto an herb has been just fine for me.





my best breakthrough EVER came from that waxy orange shit that smells like mothballs that goes around.

definitely tasted like something i should not have been smokin, but god DAMN it got the job done far beyond what anything else anyone gave me and called "DMT"

had some red powdered shit a year or so before i got that, tasted much better, was easier to smoke, but wasn't even half as potent. was probably quite old at the time i got it. but could tell from the effects noted it was for SURE a tryptamine of some kind, was told it was pure crystalline DMT, i have obvious doubts but was definitely something or other tryptamine, didnt have a microscope or loupe at the time to check it out and was far more willing back then to just smoke something someone gave me.

and until i got ahold of that orange wax i thought that red powder whas all DMT could do xD  and somehow i feel my waxy orange nursing home smelling stuff isnt all that great either :lol:


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