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hostileuniverse
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Eminence]
#23404794 - 07/02/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Well that's fucking lame, I'll keep an eye on the murder rates and gun crime rates after this, but I doubt it will be any better. I was thinking of moving to California until somewhat recently. Idk what I was thinking, me and California simply are not compatible 
I would avoid that stupid fucking state just becuase of the tax rates
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Jokeshopbeard
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Ah ok. Thanks for explaining.
What was it Australia & Tasmania did... I have a memory of a big change years back that seemed to do good..
Here it is. Wiki says in 1996 they 'included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns' and 'Since the 1996 legislation the risk of dying by gunshots was reduced by 50% in the following years and stayed on that lower level since then.'
Sounds alright to me.
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Seems to be mostly ignorance to me. Plus yeah it furthers the anti-gun agenda more when they say full auto. Paints a much different picture in the mind then semi auto does.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Fools Crow] 2
#23404814 - 07/02/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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liberals are just stupid fucking people when it comes to arming themselves they'll go on a whitch hunt for a white college boy before they properly protect themselves
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luvdemboomers
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Jokeshopbeard said: Ah ok. Thanks for explaining.
What was it Australia & Tasmania did... I have a memory of a big change years back that seemed to do good..
Here it is. Wiki says in 1996 they 'included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns' and 'Since the 1996 legislation the risk of dying by gunshots was reduced by 50% in the following years and stayed on that lower level since then.'
Sounds alright to me.
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What about armed robberies?

Also the overall homicide rate stayed the same for 8 years after the buyback. Taking away guns and expecting homicide to decrease is like taking the noose from a suicidal man and expecting him not jump off a bridge. http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html
Edited by luvdemboomers (07/02/16 06:11 PM)
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Eminence



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hostileuniverse said: There is no reason to have fully auto, and they have been banned since the '30's, not really sure why progressives keep referring to semi autos as fully auto, maybe it's to advance an agenda, I don't know but it's fucking stupid
It's because they are fucking stupid, simple as that I think. It doesn't matter how good of an argument you make against them, they'll shut their ears and then complain about the last gun crime they heard about without even realizing that person got the weapon illegally.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Ah ok. Thanks for explaining.
What was it Australia & Tasmania did... I have a memory of a big change years back that seemed to do good..
Here it is. Wiki says in 1996 they 'included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns' and 'Since the 1996 legislation the risk of dying by gunshots was reduced by 50% in the following years and stayed on that lower level since then.'
Sounds alright to me.
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You still gotta think about the countries that have some of the lowest gun crime rates who haven't banned guns, and all the countries with high gun crime rates where they've been banned. There's obviously something more to it than guns=deaths and no guns= less death. I wonder if the case with Australia just has something to do with their extremely strict customs. Also, banning guns won't do too much good anywhere if people start buying 3D printers. You can make guns with a 3D printer and a few metal components apparently.
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I dunno man, I just scanned your source article and realise it's not at all a discussion I want to get into. I was just sharing some musings on the subject with you guys.
When you get down to the heart of something like this, it can get so nitty gritty.
IMO, we should just focus on being nicer to each other anyhow, by practicing in education, or avoiding supporting war, or some such shit, rather than listen to any political bantering and ramblings from the far left and right wingers.
Really, if you try to conform yourself as an absolutely just and moral human being, I can't see any need for anything beyond a basic firearm. But that's just my opinion, sharing it as food for thought, and I respect whatever yours is. I'm going to bed.
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Why do you pussies need a gun anyway? These tools are much more effective against govt/intruders/body armor and are much more fitting for a real man. I don't understand the obsession.





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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23404893 - 07/02/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like the way you think
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23404896 - 07/02/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL. I want a Pike. That's the best weapon there by far.
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I'd take a bow, but lack of training would impede its usefulness something fierce, so pike would probably be more realistic
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Ezuma]
#23404921 - 07/02/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm happy that I have this here:

But I'll be setting about getting myself a nice rifle as soon as I land in Australia.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23404927 - 07/02/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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umm.. you can still obtain a class 3 (fully automatic weapon or a silencer or a sawed off shotgun) if you pay the tax stamp its 200 dollar permit fee for a piece of paper allowing the feds to crawl up your ass and make sure you havent done anything stupid in your life.
California, is a little bit more stringant on tax stamps, but it other parts of the world you can still own one. yes it will cost you some money, but its obtainable.
but california, with these new measures, are going to go batshit crazy. apparently you will not be able to buy ar's or ak's unless you assemble them from an 80% completed lower.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23404947 - 07/02/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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For when you need to protect your family from intruders and show the enemy who's boss in one fallic swoop
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Eminence] 2
#23404996 - 07/02/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The thing that confuses me is the people saying we need to defend against the government. Hypothetical scenario.
Cops go into your house serving a no knock warrant and they meant to go into your neighbors house instead .(this scenario happens so much it baffles me, idk how cops can fuck up so royally and get away with it, but it happens constantly)
Can we agree this is a situation that warrants using a fully auto rifle to defend your family? Let's say you do. Your even more fucked then if you bent over and took those pigs cocks right where they wanted to put them. Now no matter how good your lawyer is you are fucked. End of discussion.
We haven't been able to defend against the government for years and are in a situation where you never will, unless you can take a out a whole army by yourself.
Idk i kinda lost track of where i was going with this, but it cracks me up that people in this wonderful nation think we still have any right to defend and rise agains the government. If you are today those rights were never around in ykur lifetime.
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luvdemboomers
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LuSiD enthusiast said: The thing that confuses me is the people saying we need to defend against the government. Hypothetical scenario.
Cops go into your house serving a no knock warrant and they meant to go into your neighbors house instead .(this scenario happens so much it baffles me, idk how cops can fuck up so royally and get away with it, but it happens constantly)
Can we agree this is a situation that warrants using a fully auto rifle to defend your family? Let's say you do. Your even more fucked then if you bent over and took those pigs cocks right where they wanted to put them. Now no matter how good your lawyer is you are fucked. End of discussion.
We haven't been able to defend against the government for years and are in a situation where you never will, unless you can take a out a whole army by yourself.
Idk i kinda lost track of where i was going with this, but it cracks me up that people in this wonderful nation think we still have any right to defend and rise agains the government. If you are today those rights were never around in ykur lifetime.
Why are you talking about fully automatic rifles?
Anyways, I think the idea is that an armed population can join together to form a militia if things get really bad. Not sure I worded it the best and i doubt it is why most people own guns just saying most people who say it is important to be armed to protect themselves against the government do not mean shooting a cop for violating your rights.
Edited by luvdemboomers (07/02/16 07:30 PM)
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i think california always had to register the 80% i dont think anything changed with those. other states vary.
and the bullet button just became obsolete. you know can not have a quick detachable magazine.. to the tune of you need a special tool to remove a 10 round mag.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: rackem]
#23405067 - 07/02/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This ban has nothing to do with full auto. Why are so many people saying "why does anyone need a full auto gun"... That's been banned decades ago. This bans some SEMI auto guns and magazines over 10 rounds. Basically any practical gun.
Gun bans don't stop violence it's just a feel good measure for politicians to use to make more of there followers happy. It is also something to add to the pretend conceived notion that we can have a perfect society. A utopia where laws can control every thing we do and prevent someone with misfiring neurons to conspire to kill innocent people.
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LuSiD enthusiast said: The thing that confuses me is the people saying we need to defend against the government. Hypothetical scenario.
Cops go into your house serving a no knock warrant and they meant to go into your neighbors house instead .(this scenario happens so much it baffles me, idk how cops can fuck up so royally and get away with it, but it happens constantly)
Can we agree this is a situation that warrants using a fully auto rifle to defend your family? Let's say you do. Your even more fucked then if you bent over and took those pigs cocks right where they wanted to put them. Now no matter how good your lawyer is you are fucked. End of discussion.
We haven't been able to defend against the government for years and are in a situation where you never will, unless you can take a out a whole army by yourself.
Idk i kinda lost track of where i was going with this, but it cracks me up that people in this wonderful nation think we still have any right to defend and rise agains the government. If you are today those rights were never around in ykur lifetime.
but but dey tuk hour jobs! i mean guns.
you are spot on 100% with this, you pull a gun you are dead so whats the point besides some jackass braveheart fantasy projected into the trailer park.
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