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Soooo...you hate freedom?
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Masked
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PeyoteZen said: Why do you hate freedom so much?
I've explained many times that I live in one of the most free and peaceful countries and I feel a great sense of freedom, despite heavy regulation on firearms.
The question shouldn't be about my freedom but more about why you equate freedom with lax gun control?
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Never mind. Thought you replied again with same stuff
I applaud California. And that's what this topic is about
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twighead
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23408707 - 07/03/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said: What makes you say that? Killers come in all ideologies!
mostly liberal, the numbers show this to be a fact
Obviously it has nothing to do with the ideology - minorities which commit such crimes at a much higher rate are overwhelmingly democrat since they presume repubs are racists/hate them And democrats tactically pander to them for votes generally though they don't really give a shit themselves. Republicans generally the opposite direction to clinch the southern racist voters.
Democrat voting doesn't = liberal... just as Republican doesn't = conservative... obviously some ghetto thug who loves violence is no more 'liberal' than some republican fool pushing for militarization of police, stripping of personal rights, and ballooning of military budget is a 'conservative'.
But that's all a little too obvious and common sense for this black and white 'don't look at the details' story you like to believe isn't it?
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Well shit. None of that would ever happen if guns were banned.
none of what shit would ever happen if guns were banned?
people wouldnt smoke pot? wouldnt eat people's faces, wouldnt stab people to death?
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23408735 - 07/03/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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twighead said: What makes you say that? Killers come in all ideologies!
mostly liberal, the numbers show this to be a fact
Obviously it has nothing to do with the ideology - minorities which commit such crimes at a much higher rate are overwhelmingly democrat since they presume repubs are racists/hate them And democrats tactically pander to them for votes generally though they don't really give a shit themselves. Republicans generally the opposite direction to clinch the southern racist voters.
sounds like Ideology to me, I mean isnt it the liberal ideology that they should be given everything and a golden ticket through life, that they shouldnt have to earn what they want but others should just give it to them. that seems to be the same ideology of the ghetto thugs that are sicking up liquor stores and strong arming store clerks for a pack of phillies
liberals have created these thugs
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23408742 - 07/03/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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One thing I hate about the democratic platform is their stance on guns, I would probably be voting conservative if it were anyone but Trump.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: tdubz]
#23408748 - 07/03/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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tdubz said: One thing I hate about the democratic platform is their stance on guns, I would probably be voting conservative if it were anyone but Trump.
what exactly is the problem with trump?
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23408762 - 07/03/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't want to derail the thread. I just see trump flip flopping on issues a lot, like he has done throughout the majority of his campaign. Says one thing an then a couple weeks later says something else when his "advisers" correct his proposals for him.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23408769 - 07/03/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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twighead said: What makes you say that? Killers come in all ideologies!
mostly liberal, the numbers show this to be a fact
Obviously it has nothing to do with the ideology - minorities which commit such crimes at a much higher rate are overwhelmingly democrat since they presume repubs are racists/hate them And democrats tactically pander to them for votes generally though they don't really give a shit themselves. Republicans generally the opposite direction to clinch the southern racist voters.
sounds like Ideology to me, I mean isnt it the liberal ideology that they should be given everything and a golden ticket through life, that they shouldnt have to earn what they want but others should just give it to them. that seems to be the same ideology of the ghetto thugs that are sicking up liquor stores and strong arming store clerks for a pack of phillies
liberals have created these thugs
They created their own culture, the downfall of the democrats push for equality is that they are unwilling to criticize and take measures against that culture which is what actually prevents them from being successful in our society... (and be seen as racist and lose votes) and generally just support useless policies that do nothing to address the issue. But it's not an easy issue either... how do you go about dismantling a culture that promotes that kind of violence? Instead of even trying, they just take advantage of it politically by appeasement.
And on the flip side, is it the conservative ideology to kill off personal liberties for security? Is it conservative ideology to invade countries across the globe? Is it conservative ideology to declare that it is illegal for people to put whatever they want in their body? As I was saying previous comment - the actions of the party do not represent the ideology necessarily. Both are bastardizations of the ideal to the extreme.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: tdubz]
#23408790 - 07/03/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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tdubz said: I don't want to derail the thread. I just see trump flip flopping on issues a lot, like he has done throughout the majority of his campaign. Says one thing an then a couple weeks later says something else when his "advisers" correct his proposals for him.
so basically the same as any democrat candidate
objectively apply the same metric to both candidates and then look at their histories
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23408804 - 07/03/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The level of flip flopper that trump is much worse than hillary clinton and she is pretty bad.
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Can the two even be compared in that respect? They're both so prodigious liars.
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate with integrity in his beliefs. Agree with them or not.
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its politics. just the way it is..
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23408813 - 07/03/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I voted for bernie but ultimately I'm going to go with clinton and I bet you bernie will too. Both candidates are terrible IMO.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23408815 - 07/03/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said: And on the flip side, is it the conservative ideology to kill off personal liberties for security?
you mean like firearm bans because "think of the children" and tobacco bans because "think of the children"
you may be confusing the platforms of the two
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Is it conservative ideology to invade countries across the globe?
you mean like clinton's war in iraq and afghanistan? take a look, the republicans are the peacetime presidents, the liberals start the wars, bush was caught in the middle, have you also forgottent hat obama has got us back into the middle east after he bragged about getting us out
democrats are responsible for getting us into nearly every war the US has been in
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Is it conservative ideology to declare that it is illegal for people to put whatever they want in their body?
that again was democrats
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As I was saying previous comment - the actions of the party do not represent the ideology necessarily. Both are bastardizations of the ideal to the extreme.
I think you may not know heads from tails
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Re: California is fucked [Re: tdubz]
#23408819 - 07/03/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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tdubz said: I voted for bernie but ultimately I'm going to go with clinton and I bet you bernie will too. Both candidates are terrible IMO.
Hard to vote for a candidate that's ineligible to become president... The mainstream news has been downplaying the investigation majorly - but if you're aware of the obvious evidence, crimes committed, and how seriously the FBI is taking it - I think there is very little chance of her getting away scott free... At the very least she will be ineligible for the security clearance.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23408823 - 07/03/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol dude im with you on that. The way i see it is hillary is a predictable liar and we know very well who she is and what she wants but trump is an off the walls liar. I don't know if he'd start a war out of frivolity or not.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: twighead]
#23408857 - 07/03/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hillary would never be indicted your crazy if you think so. It would disrupt the entire political system.
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Re: California is fucked [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23408871 - 07/03/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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twighead said: And on the flip side, is it the conservative ideology to kill off personal liberties for security?
you mean like firearm bans because "think of the children" and tobacco bans because "think of the children"
you may be confusing the platforms of the two
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Is it conservative ideology to invade countries across the globe?
you mean like clinton's war in iraq and afghanistan? take a look, the republicans are the peacetime presidents, the liberals start the wars, bush was caught in the middle, have you also forgottent hat obama has got us back into the middle east after he bragged about getting us out
democrats are responsible for getting us into nearly every war the US has been in
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Is it conservative ideology to declare that it is illegal for people to put whatever they want in their body?
that again was democrats
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As I was saying previous comment - the actions of the party do not represent the ideology necessarily. Both are bastardizations of the ideal to the extreme.
I think you may not know heads from tails
Come on don't be so blinded to your 'sides' crimes, I'm not a democrat.... I'm for seeing them both as the hypocritical shits they are. But I also seem to recall Nixon (repub) starting the war on drugs, Reagan (repub) greatly intensifying it...
Obviously the Bushes and Clintons were in happy collusion over Iraq, etc. Bush was -HARDLY- forced into the war, to pretend otherwise is completely idiotic, he and Cheney made the clear choice to pursue the groundwork for cassus belli laid by his father and Clinton and engage in full hostilities that put anything that Obama or Clinton did to shame frankly. Obama was an idiot to have Clinton as his state secretary, as far as I can tell she basically took advantage of his naivety, and took full reign over the proceedings in Ukraine, Syria, and Libya - none of which produced positive results. (except for her prompting huge weapon sales throughout the region she got a cut of)
Democrats aren't liberals, and republicans aren't conservatives. It's really not a arguable point.
The only 'conservative' thing I've seen from republicans in the last 3 decades was cutting taxes because it suited their corporate masters. They have not expanded personal freedoms, they have not shrunk the govt... in either the realm of bureaucracy or spending. Are those not the 2 biggest tenants of conservatism?
And the only 'liberal' things that I've seen the democrats do is push for things like gay marriage, etc. which are only symbolic to 98% of the population. They have not pushed for true personal freedoms, effective healthcare systems, education systems, or any of the 'liberal' tenants either.
Why are you so defensive of the shit republican party? Just admit they both blow and move on independently from there
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