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Re: California is fucked [Re: Great Scott]
    #23407817 - 07/03/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
What part of 'SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED' is difficult to understand?




It's not that they don't understand it, they DON'T CARE!

Guns = right wing = bad

That's all that matters in the progressive playbook


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Re: California is fucked [Re: millzy]
    #23407824 - 07/03/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What restrictions would you propose?




i would just enact policies that would seek to ensure that extra dangerous weapons are only sold to people we can absolutely trust with them. to me, that is the cost of being able to freely express your right to own them, not tacitly endorsing mass murder by having ill conceived policies that factor into their occurrence.

i'm not for banning any weapons, just some extra measures in place that keep them in the right hands.




What would you consider a extra dangerous weapon and how would you ensure only people we can trust get them? Who would you consider someone we can trust?


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Re: California is fucked [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23407827 - 07/03/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:
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millzy said:
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luvdemboomers said:

What restrictions would you propose?




i would just enact policies that would seek to ensure that extra dangerous weapons are only sold to people we can absolutely trust with them. to me, that is the cost of being able to freely express your right to own them, not tacitly endorsing mass murder by having ill conceived policies that factor into their occurrence.

i'm not for banning any weapons, just some extra measures in place that keep them in the right hands.




What would you consider a extra dangerous weapon and how would you ensure only people we can trust get them? Who would you consider someone we can trust?




I've already explained at great length some ideas based of Canada's gun regulation

We aren't building rockets here

A Possession and Acquisition Licence is a licence that allows individuals in Canada to possess and acquire firearms as well as ammunition. Licences are typically valid for five (5) years and must be renewed prior to expiry to maintain all classes. Once licensed, an individual can apply for a firearm transfer; and an Authorization To Transport (ATT) for restricted and prohibited firearms. If an individual possessing a PAL is convicted of certain offences, a PAL can be revoked. If an individual does not renew their PAL prior to its expiration date or if they have their PAL revoked, they must legally dispose of any firearms in their possession. A licence for prohibited firearms can be issued to qualifying businesses, and very rarely to individuals (firearms they own, as the gun laws changed over time.) Previous convictions for serious violent, drug or weapons offences almost invariably result in the denial of the application.

A PAL is generally obtained in the following three steps:

Safety Training
All PAL applicants are recommended to successfully complete the Canadian Firearms Safety Course[4] (CFSC) for a Non-restricted licence, and the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course[5] (CRFSC) for a restricted licence. In many provinces, however, applicants are also able to challenge the Non-Restricted and Restricted License examinations without completing the respective safety courses. In most cases, the Non-restricted class is a prerequisite to obtain the Restricted licence, but both examinations can be challenged at the same time. The examinations contain both a written and practical component. Information on the locations and availability of these courses can be found here.
Formal Application
Submit completed application (with supporting documents)
Security Screening
Background checks and investigations are performed. All applicants are screened and a mandatory 28-day waiting period is imposed on first-time applicants.
Licences are typically valid for five (5) years and must be renewed prior to expiry to maintain all classes. Once licensed, an individual can apply for a firearm transfer;[6] and an Authorization To Transport[7] (ATT) for restricted firearms.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: Masked] * 1
    #23407832 - 07/03/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Masked said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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millzy said:
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luvdemboomers said:

What restrictions would you propose?




i would just enact policies that would seek to ensure that extra dangerous weapons are only sold to people we can absolutely trust with them. to me, that is the cost of being able to freely express your right to own them, not tacitly endorsing mass murder by having ill conceived policies that factor into their occurrence.

i'm not for banning any weapons, just some extra measures in place that keep them in the right hands.




What would you consider a extra dangerous weapon and how would you ensure only people we can trust get them? Who would you consider someone we can trust?




I've already explained at great length some ideas based of Canada's gun regulation

We aren't building rockets here




True, we're just wiping our ass with the constitution.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23407833 - 07/03/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:

You're forgetting one important thing, progressives don't give a shit about facts, they see all gun owners as right wing conservatives, who they HATE, disarming them is priority number 1, they could give two shits about gun violence and what not, if they did, they would focus on high crime, high killing areas like Chicago...




and yet you are the one who consistently makes baseless claims.

you are the one who consistently espouses hatred for 'progressives', although i doubt you even know what that term means.

you are the one who builds the straw man version of the world in which people in favor of sensible reforms seek to barge into your house and wrench away your precious firearms.

you are the one who seems to not care about gun violence in refusing to face even the most obvious facts.

you are the one who espouses ignorance and cowardice in the name of civic virtue.

am i forgetting anything else important?


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Re: California is fucked [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #23407838 - 07/03/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Again, I've also explained that self entitlement isn't how to defend or create good policy. 

Making weapons designed to kill human beings more difficult to obtain, isn't making you less free

I'm a Canadian and enjoy many freedoms

...just one being that I don't worry much about getting lit up at a school or theatre by some psycho who walked into a Walmart and was able to buy a gun like nothing :smirk:


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Re: California is fucked [Re: millzy]
    #23407840 - 07/03/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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millzy said:
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hostileuniverse said:

You're forgetting one important thing, progressives don't give a shit about facts, they see all gun owners as right wing conservatives, who they HATE, disarming them is priority number 1, they could give two shits about gun violence and what not, if they did, they would focus on high crime, high killing areas like Chicago...




and yet you are the one who consistently makes baseless claims.

you are the one who consistently espouses hatred for 'progressives', although i doubt you even know what that term means.

you are the one who builds the straw man version of the world in which people in favor of sensible reforms seek to barge into your house and wrench away your precious firearms.

you are the one who seems to not care about gun violence in refusing to face even the most obvious facts.

you are the one who espouses ignorance and cowardice in the name of civic virtue.

am i forgetting anything else important?




Nope, you've covered every left wing idiotic talking point there is I'm pretty sure of that,

Nevermind most of what you accuse me of I've never even touched on, but hey, facts are irrelevant to (people who sound a lot like progressives)


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Re: California is fucked [Re: Masked]
    #23407843 - 07/03/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Masked said:
Again, I've also explained that self entitlement isn't how to defend or create good policy. 

Making weapons designed to kill human beings more difficult to obtain, isn't making you less free

I'm a Canadian and enjoy many freedoms

...just one being that I don't worry much about getting lit up at a school or theatre by some psycho who walked into a Walmart and was able to buy a gun like nothing :smirk:




Which is funny becuase... I don't worry about those things either... Shocking right?


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Re: California is fucked [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23407856 - 07/03/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've said before, , not the guns, even if you ban every gun available, people are still gonna go on rampant killing sprees, the Boston bombers used pressure cookers, mcveigh use diesel and fertilizer.

Banning guns is just putting a bandaid on the real problem, which is far deeper and much harder to treat




The USA has five times our population. You would expect us to have an equal percentage of people that will go crazy but "the culture is the problem" that, and the lack of guns here prevents this from happening. doesn't stop us having a large number of arseholes though.

Our mass shootings, over 23 years, two since they were banned are:

19 August 1987 Hungerford massacre Hungerford, England 16 15

3 March 1996 Dunblane school massacre Dunblane, Scotland 18 15

2 June 2010 Cumbria shootings Cumbria, England 12 11

I'm sure that the prevalence of guns in the us has something to with the number of these sort of shootings over there, I understand you will never get rid of them though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Great_Britain

Happy 4th for tomorrow. Hope the weather stays fine for you all, especially the poor, soon to be gunless souls, in California. :wink:

Good night all.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23407865 - 07/03/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, your stats for your country say otherwise :shrug:


If delusion and self entitlement are how you want to make decisions, than that's fine

You still haven't explained how I'm less free as a Canadian with tighter gun regulation.


Of course it was agree to disagree from the beginning, so carry on, enjoy your guns :cheers:



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Re: California is fucked [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23407871 - 07/03/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemboomers said:

What would you consider a extra dangerous weapon and how would you ensure only people we can trust get them? Who would you consider someone we can trust?




i'm comfortable with leaving the details to the experts in both cases. the soundness of my argument is by no means based in my ability to draw those distinctions. but since you've asked:

1. i think 'extra dangerous weapons' are weapons that are designed to kill a lot of people really fast.

2. i think it's reasonable to deny sales of any weapons to people who have been previously convicted of violent crimes or have been recently suspected of being involved with local or global terrorism.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23407878 - 07/03/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Nope, you've covered every left wing idiotic talking point there is I'm pretty sure of that,

Nevermind most of what you accuse me of I've never even touched on, but hey, facts are irrelevant to (people who sound a lot like progressives)




talking points are what you repeat from bill o'reiley. i read and issue opinions based on what i read. you should try it some time.

and again, your ignorance would be humorous if it weren't so tragic.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: millzy] * 2
    #23407880 - 07/03/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The question you really need to be asking yourself is why does the Zionist programming work so well on you?


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Re: California is fucked [Re: Masked]
    #23407884 - 07/03/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Masked said:
Well, your stats for your country say otherwise :shrug:


If delusion and self entitlement are how you want to make decisions, than that's fine

You still haven't explained how I'm less free as a Canadian with tighter gun regulation.


Of course it was agree to disagree from the beginning, so carry on, enjoy your guns :cheers:






You realize the founding fathers wrote the constitution for a reason? This country has been going to shit since it started getting stepped on. And no, my right to defend myself with the best tool available, as stated in the constitution is not "entitlement",it is one of the principals this country  was founded on.

If anything I'd say anti gunners are the entitled ones as they feel the need to impose their will on people like myself who want to be left the fuck alone.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: Masked]
    #23407885 - 07/03/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Masked said:
Well, your stats for your country say otherwise :shrug:


If delusion and self entitlement are how you want to make decisions, than that's fine


Of course it was agree to disagree from the beginning, so carry on, enjoy your guns :cheers:




Stats say I'm scared, I'd love to see those

Bottom line is. In America , we like our guns, and no, we don't give a shit about other countries that have less crime, we just don't. Just like we don't give a shit about your healthcare or energy policy.

Fact is, gun confiscation is coming to America, along with socialize medicine, and every other socialist program, it's just a matter of time, it's sad and sickening at the same time, but it is what it is


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Re: California is fucked [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23407889 - 07/03/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The same tired speech about founding fathers and constitution.  It's self entitlement disguised as patriotism. 

You still have yet to explain how I am less free or enjoy little freedom as a Canadian with tighter gun regulation.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: millzy]
    #23407895 - 07/03/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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millzy said:
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hostileuniverse said:

Nope, you've covered every left wing idiotic talking point there is I'm pretty sure of that,

Nevermind most of what you accuse me of I've never even touched on, but hey, facts are irrelevant to (people who sound a lot like progressives)




talking points are what you repeat from bill o'reiley. i read and issue opinions based on what i read. you should try it some time.

and again, your ignorance would be humorous if it weren't so tragic.





Ah there's that progressive know it all attitude I've grown so much to love, fact is, haven't watched oreilly in years, never watched Alex jones, and gave up on Limbaugh years ago,

but go ahead, tell me some more about where I'm "fed the lies to poison my mind"


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Re: California is fucked [Re: Masked] * 2
    #23407900 - 07/03/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Masked said:
Again, I've also explained that self entitlement isn't how to defend or create good policy. 

Making weapons designed to kill human beings more difficult to obtain, isn't making you less free

I'm a Canadian and enjoy many freedoms

...just one being that I don't worry much about getting lit up at a school or theatre by some psycho who walked into a Walmart and was able to buy a gun like nothing :smirk:




No doubt, wheres your sense of responsibility. This isnt losing a freedom, its preventing people who shouldnt be owning weapons from obtaining one. No different then getting a license to drive.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23407902 - 07/03/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bottom line is. In America , we like our guns, and no, we don't give a shit about other countries that have less crime, we just don't. Just like we don't give a shit about your healthcare or energy policies






Exactly.  The gun nuts don't give a shit.  Who cares what policies work better as proven somewhere else.  "We don't give a shit.  I like me my gunzzz!"

:lol:


Fair enough.  Now it's not even about sound logic and just opinion...aka "I don't give a shit"

Fair enough.  I have nothing left to say I guess.


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Re: California is fucked [Re: Masked]
    #23407906 - 07/03/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bottom line is. In America , we like our guns, and no, we don't give a shit about other countries that have less crime, we just don't. Just like we don't give a shit about your healthcare or energy policies






Exactly.  The gun nuts don't give a shit.  Who cares what policies work better as proven somewhere else.  "We don't give a shit.  I like me my gunzzz!"

:lol:


Fair enough.  Now it's not even about sound logic and just opinion...aka "I don't give a shit"

Fair enough.  I have nothing left to say I guess.




Is that ok? Can we be different than you?


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