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Rackstrawstiltskin
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My take on the wafer TEK
#23404007 - 07/02/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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For anyone wondering the wafer TEK is here: http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/4897.html
It's where you cut your cake into little slices then cover with a pastuerized casing material like coir or peat to maximise the surface area for your cakes for a (hopefully) better yield.
Instead of using pasteurised peat I'm using sterilised (properly I hope) BRF and verm mix saturated. I made a liner out of bin bags to stop light from the bottom and sides and bacteria resistant paper towels at the sides to increase the humidity because I don't have perlite and I'm using what I have. I'm using a light at the top to encourage the shrooms to grow up rather than the sides as the sides are semi translucent.
After 2-3 days of letting the little wafers recover I scraped the top of the sub off and started fanning and misting.
the results are 4 pins so far but it's only 2 days into the fanning and misting.
I'll post progress reports if anyone's interested, would enjoy some feedback as I'm still new. Cheers .
For anyone interested they are B+.
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of course this tek came from mycotopia, and posted on 2001.
this is such a terrible idea.there is so much misinformation in that link. its ass-tounding.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mupetmower]
#23404031 - 07/02/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting choice of TEK to follow.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#23404037 - 07/02/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is only from 1 half pint cake I have other cakes being followed through normally using PFTEK method.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
#23404040 - 07/02/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its a cool idea if it worked 2001 was such a long time ago though if it were that good wouldn't that be what we all did with Pf cakes
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that's good.
i do wish you luck. just be mindful of what you read, and when it was posted(not to mention where =p)
but, seriously, good luck on your endeavors.
EDIT - also, there are much better ways to spawn to bulk, even with brf cakes. just do some searching and research on this site. and filter your searches for threads newer than 5 years or so
Edited by mupetmower (07/02/16 12:44 PM)
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mupetmower]
#23404048 - 07/02/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cheers man appreciate it, just experimenting to see if it has any credence, of course the body of the cakes are not as large as a full cake so the yield may not be as good but worth a shot
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mupetmower]
#23404058 - 07/02/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
mupetmower said: just do some searching and research on this site. and filter your searches for threads newer than 5 years or so 
Should be your signature lol
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mupetmower]
#23404071 - 07/02/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most require breaking up the cakes and spawning to bulk using pasteurised material which I do not have, my compost is infested with bugs and the like and the method for pasteurisation would probably be more contaminated then using the sterilised BRF mixture.
Thanks for the feedback . once my materials run dry and I get paid I'll get some rye, coir and broaden my ways.
Do you know of anyway to use only Verm and brf for a better way to spawn to bulk? I'm pretty interested .
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sterilized brf is not a bulk sub nor casing layer, it needs to stay sterile until colonized (like in pf-tek).
slicing cakes and casing instead of crumbling/grating and spawning... gotta be topia
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: spacechildo]
#23404078 - 07/02/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't actually get the info from topia, just used the materials I had to attempt to give the cakes some nutrients for when it fruits.
When in reality I probably just gave my wafers a huge contam risk and could have achieved the same result as just putting the wafers on some verm for moisture.
Thanks for the heads up, still a learning curve for me and I shouldn't really deviate from TEK's.
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dont put brf cakes to more verm, its a stupid idea and one I had myself when I started out and hadnt found or used any forums yet. cakes are already 2/3s verm, more verm is not what they want.
fruit cakes as cakes if you cant access coir,manure or any other bulk sub.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: spacechildo]
#23404089 - 07/02/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice will take into account after these cakes are dunked.
What about rolling the cake in verm after dunking? I've heard it helps with moisture, worked perfectly fine with my last flush.
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yes that's part of the pf-tek. mushroomvideos.com
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23404118 - 07/02/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The original tek called for a casing layer but as soon as you go adding BRF you have a nutritious substrate instead. When using any grain flour in a bulk substrate it's important to not only sterilise it but to keep it sterile while it colonises. I think the chances of it turning into a mess of contaminants is quite high but hopefully you'll get a good harvest before then.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: weetsie]
#23404125 - 07/02/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm hoping the same thing here haha . Some of the pins are already growing fairly strong and all it takes is one healthy mushroom to give me the spores I need to start the cycle again. Cheers
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: weetsie]
#23404318 - 07/02/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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One question, should I take out the cakes and place them in a different container for fruiting then or just chance it with the BRF mixture that could be a potential contam risk? From what I've seen on this thread alone it's providing next to no benefit for the mycelium.
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Could you clarify?
Are you talking about removing the slices of cake in the photos from the BRF/verm mix?
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: weetsie]
#23404377 - 07/02/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, and wash them and put them in a more suitable environment?
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I probably wouldn't wash them. If you take them out you could stack em back up and fruit them like a normal cake 
It's up to you, on one hand repeatedly messing with them is not good but then neither is having large areas of uncolonised supplemented substrate.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: weetsie]
#23404415 - 07/02/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd dig them out gloved sanitized etc and stack them as said above
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23404424 - 07/02/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i'd prolly just bury em, as is, at this point, honestly.
just bury in the yard, you will most likely still see mushies from it. plus you wont have to worry about it anymore.
just start some more projects, and follow the simple, standard pf tek, this time. no deviation, what-so-ever.
use the links we have given you.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: weetsie]
#23404496 - 07/02/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah good point, although messing them about to the point of cutting them into slices is probably well past that stage .
Since 4 of the 6 are pinning and one is about 1.5" tall now I should probably just let them be, if there are any signs of bacterial infection or cobweb mold I'll vacate them ASAP although that might be too late. Will keep the thread posted.
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Update: I moved them into a better environment and one mush is around 3" tall, but has no veil and is immedietly showing gills. Most likely the mush attempting to make spores asap?
Should I take a spore print from the tiny cap and start again or wait?
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mupetmower]
#23412689 - 07/05/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Update: the fruits!
You can see the fruits all have no veil and the gills twist back over themselves however apart from that, they look like regular mush's. The mushroom on the far left has been left to dry overnight with a fan on it but the top has went greenish blue, is that normal? Anyway wondering how Much of a dose this would be. 
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you would need to weigh it when completely cracker-snap-dry to know what kinda dose it would be. and since it sMS, it will still just be kinda a guess, since you dont know what kinda potency it will be. but yes, bruising is normal. and caps turning up like that just means they sat for long enough for it to happen before harvesting. not a big deal at all, though.
if i were you, and i was going to eat them, i would probably eat all three(?) of those. loks like it might weight out to around 2g dry.. or maybe 1.5g idk. hard to tell.
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mupetmower]
#23413174 - 07/05/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did earlier today and got a nice relaxing trip out of them, still feeling a bit wavey just glad that they fruited honestly.
Cheers for coming back to the thread and checking it out man .
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Quote:
Rackstrawstiltskin said: I did earlier today and got a nice relaxing trip out of them, still feeling a bit wavey just glad that they fruited honestly.
Cheers for coming back to the thread and checking it out man .
Nicely done sir
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Re: My take on the wafer TEK [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23422954 - 07/08/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most likely the final update.
Eating the other shrooms which were great.
This is the final, late bloomer which I'm going to attempt to make a tea concoction, then freeze it, when my other cakes flush again I'll add it to the tea mixture until theres about 7g worth in there what are anyones thoughts? Pic of the mush:

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