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Will7401


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What is the Deal with Casing?
#23403712 - 07/02/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't ask you guys for much but we gotta clear something up here. After 8 contaminated monos I finally got it down, worked some things out by researching on here and now have three beautiful Frank inspired monos and two Pasty inspired monos ready for casing. But like a good little newb I continue to measure twice and cut once so I'm researching for hours about casing material, what works, what doesn't (taking that Miracle-Gro Shpagnum Peat moss back today) Whew! That was close. But I can't find any definitive answer on whether to case or not. A lot say yes, a lot say it's not necessary. I pasteurized 5 qts. of CVG last night for casing and I want to transition to the next phase but after hours of reading last night I didn't find anything definitive. Is it just a matter of preference? Or is the need to case determined by what they are being grown in. Right now my mono look exactly like you guys say they should look but they are ready to move forward. I will meditate on this and seek my intuition but in the meantime, nothing beats experience. I would love to hear yours. And yes, the search engine works just fine with a wealth of information about casing. Thank you all for your efforts.
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spacechildo
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: Will7401]
#23403835 - 07/02/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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what's the question? cubes dont NEED a casing layer to fruit, but can benefit from one. its a moist layer covering your sub keeping it from drying out.
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: spacechildo]
#23403853 - 07/02/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like you're overthinking it. It's about as simple as adding ice cubes to your water. Do you want cold water? Yes? Add ice. Do you want a good pinset, less moisture loss from the substrate? Add a casing layer.
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Will7401


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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: Inocuole]
#23403883 - 07/02/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you, and thank you. Overthinking? Hmm. I'll have to think about that for a while. LOL. Yeah, it was crazy last night how much information and different experiences there are with casing. What I concluded from it all was casing provides a non nutritional micro climate to keep the surface level humidity at the most optimal range but is unnecessary in a dialed in mono that is already producing this environment to begin with. It adds a contamination vector but if it's pasteurized coir left over from the bucket tek, contamination is a non issue. It delays pinning but also provides a more even pin set. Cubes don't necessarily need a casing but they can benefit from it and some prefer it, some don't. Cultivators, I mean. What I gather is that it is a matter of choice and worth the experience to at least try it both ways. There is a lot of good write ups but an equal amount of variation with things.
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spacechildo
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: Will7401]
#23403905 - 07/02/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont agree that:
-its uneccessary even in a dialed in mono (since with a casing layer you can dial for MORE fae which is always a good thing)
-its a contam vector (well maybe if you're using peat but never coir/verm)
-it delays pinning times
and actually I do think its culture dependent more than cultivator dependent. some cultures see no difference, some see lot difference with a casing layer.
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Will7401


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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: spacechildo]
#23403952 - 07/02/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude, I have learned quite a bit from your posts so thank you for making my point. Aaaargh. Which is it mon! All the things you just pointed out make sense to me too. I'll do a side by side and see what happens just for my own personal experience. That is how it has been so far anyway. I am very confident with the improvements in my techniques compared to the last eight monos that bit the dust. It has taken since March to get here but here we are. Thanks for the input. I remain open minded.
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spacechildo
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: Will7401]
#23403987 - 07/02/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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van did a little project with casing v not casing and got some going in his thread but also some good info https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19979607
casing is as so simple, drizzle cvg over your colonized tub and fruit right away.
here's BLs take on peat based casings, require proper pasteurization which cvg doesnt https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22091522
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spacechildo
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: spacechildo]
#23403992 - 07/02/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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8 monos biting the dust with cvg substrate means bad spawn. start your cultures on agar or use just a few drops of spore solution in each grain jar.
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CosmoKramer
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: Will7401]
#23403995 - 07/02/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are you growing, that might help you get things sorted out. What spacechildo is saying that certain cultures like PE and a few others will perform better with a casing added. Also, if you don't case then doing a top layer at spawning will help some with a better pinset.
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spacechildo
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: CosmoKramer]
#23404020 - 07/02/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was speaking more generally, certain cultures no matter what variety name. some B+ cultures may love a casing layer and do what vans tubs/trays did, while another b+ culture may not even care.
I've never been a fan of top layers fwiw..
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CosmoKramer
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: spacechildo]
#23404273 - 07/02/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only way to find out is to try different methods and figure out what works best.
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Will7401


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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: spacechildo]
#23404575 - 07/02/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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A lot has improved since then. I started with MS inoculation but quickly picked up Pasty's agar tek. Found success with that but had to learn the hard way that a colonized jar is not always a contaminate free jar. Getting in a hurry or sacrificing attention to detail has been removed as well. More patience, better sterile technique, lot's of research, healthier working environment, RR's videos, asking you guys and just being cool about it, not stressing has helped as well. Yeah, I probably didn't have to ask this question originally but now the info I am getting is current and I get to chat a bit with some of you while learning. I'm about to case them and believe me, when we get fruits, I will post. Strain is Cambodia and one mini of GT.
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spacechildo
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: Will7401]
#23404595 - 07/02/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds like you're on the right track man!
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Will7401


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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: spacechildo]
#23404606 - 07/02/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is your opinion on adding lime to the cvg casing? Couldn't find anything on that.
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spacechildo
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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: Will7401]
#23404613 - 07/02/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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no point, you lime the peat casing to keep air borne contam spores from germinating on it, but few spores if any want to germinate on cvg anyway.
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Will7401


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Re: What is the Deal with Casing? [Re: spacechildo]
#23404715 - 07/02/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay thanks. That's kind of what I thought after researching it but couldn't find anything definitive. Here we go. So what, about ten days til harvest from here?
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