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Psilocybin alcohol extraction
    #23403092 - 07/02/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys,
I have my dried myshrooms and some 96% alcohol and i want to do an alcohol extraction.
Will this alcohol work?


And which filters are recommended? Coffee filters?

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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23403097 - 07/02/16 04:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, coffee filters will work but I suggest you also use a cheesecloth because the coffee filters will clog very easy. Use the coffee filters to filter the gunk that is left by the cheesecloth.

That alcohol is great. I tried searching for it in my country but they don't import it. That's from poland right?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23403111 - 07/02/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, coffee filters will work but I suggest you also use a cheesecloth because the coffee filters will clog very easy. Use the coffee filters to filter the gunk that is left by the cheesecloth.

That alcohol is great. I tried searching for it in my country but they don't import it. That's from poland right?



No, I bought it in my own country, not Poland :wink:
Some webstore sold it for around 30$ for 500ml and shipping in 1 day :laugh:
Where would i go, to buy cheesecloth?

Thanks for the advice :wink:

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Did you see this site?
http://www.a1liquor.com/wratislavia-spirytus-750ml-96/


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23403115 - 07/02/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, coffee filters will work but I suggest you also use a cheesecloth because the coffee filters will clog very easy. Use the coffee filters to filter the gunk that is left by the cheesecloth.

That alcohol is great. I tried searching for it in my country but they don't import it. That's from poland right?



Also, some people recommend to heat the slurry, for up to 7 hours before filtration. Others recommend to let it stay for 24 hours, without heat.
What would work best?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23403128 - 07/02/16 05:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I used PF's extraction tek which called for leaving the whole thing for a few days without heat. My extraction wasn't very potent but I only used 86% alcohol. Alcohol extractions are also a poor choice out of all extraction teks because alcohol only extracts one type of active, which the body cannot even digest directly. This could be another reason why my extraction was shit.

But by all means, if you think you can heat it without blowing your house up, do it. Heat will speed up the extraction proccess and maybe even extract more than a cold extraction can.

I have since then bought a capsule machine, I don't intend to make another extraction. Thanks for the link though.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23403139 - 07/02/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I used PF's extraction tek which called for leaving the whole thing for a few days without heat. My extraction wasn't very potent but I only used 86% alcohol. Alcohol extractions are also a poor choice out of all extraction teks because alcohol only extracts one type of active, which the body cannot even digest directly. This could be another reason why my extraction was shit.

But by all means, if you think you can heat it without blowing your house up, do it. Heat will speed up the extraction proccess and maybe even extract more than a cold extraction can.

I have since then bought a capsule machine, I don't intend to make another extraction. Thanks for the link though.



Okay, thanks for that clarification!
I thought that alcohol extraction was a great way of extraction :laugh:
I probably won't heat it up, if letting it stay for a few days is fine :smile:
What other types of extraction are possible? Do you mean tea and such?
Would you recommend a capsule machine?

Thanks


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23403175 - 07/02/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, tea is another type of extraction. It's a water only extraction. There is another where you just throw it in plain water (no tea), boil it for 20-30 minutes or w/e and then remove the shrooms from the water and simmer/lightly boil it until it is down to the desired volume. People make really strong ice cubes with that method. Not sure of the dosage exactly but I think you can land on the moon with 4-5 of those ice cubes. These types of extractions only extract one type of active but the upside is that the body can digest them directly.

As for a "scientific" extraction, there is one that extracts both the water soluble and the alcohol soluble actives. This type of extraction requires certain chemicals which I have no idea how to pronounce, where to buy or even how to use and it also needs some lab equipment and chemistry know-how. Suffice to say, I haven't even read this method completely as I do not have the necessary knowledge to understand it. This is the best extraction you can do because it's basically combining what you get from an alcohol extraction as well as water extraction (you have to extract multiple times with different things in fact to get all of it)

BTW, a cheese cloth can be anything, a very thin pillowcase cut to size or maybe even a thin tablecloth. Basically a piece of cloth that a single layer and very thin. Search for images on google to see what it looks like. Chances are you can find something to use in your house.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23403237 - 07/02/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, tea is another type of extraction. It's a water only extraction. There is another where you just throw it in plain water (no tea), boil it for 20-30 minutes or w/e and then remove the shrooms from the water and simmer/lightly boil it until it is down to the desired volume. People make really strong ice cubes with that method. Not sure of the dosage exactly but I think you can land on the moon with 4-5 of those ice cubes. These types of extractions only extract one type of active but the upside is that the body can digest them directly.

As for a "scientific" extraction, there is one that extracts both the water soluble and the alcohol soluble actives. This type of extraction requires certain chemicals which I have no idea how to pronounce, where to buy or even how to use and it also needs some lab equipment and chemistry know-how. Suffice to say, I haven't even read this method completely as I do not have the necessary knowledge to understand it. This is the best extraction you can do because it's basically combining what you get from an alcohol extraction as well as water extraction (you have to extract multiple times with different things in fact to get all of it)

BTW, a cheese cloth can be anything, a very thin pillowcase cut to size or maybe even a thin tablecloth. Basically a piece of cloth that a single layer and very thin. Search for images on google to see what it looks like. Chances are you can find something to use in your house.



Now i'm starting to doubt, if i even want to do an alcohol extraction :P
I might just buy a capsule machine :laugh:
Do you still think it's worth doing the alcohol extraction?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23403290 - 07/02/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sure, you did buy the alcohol now anyway. Besides, shrooms are easy enough to grow. If you have more mushrooms than you know what to do with, nothing really stopping you. Just don't do it with all your mushrooms if you don't have a lot. Just do some so you can try it first.

I wanted to do an extraction because I can't eat dry shrooms, they make me gag everytime. Capsules took care of that for me but an extraction does have it's own advantages. An extraction hits you harder and faster than anything else, capsules are about the slowest way of ingestion since the capsule has to melt in your stomach first. You won't be eating any mushrooms with an extraction so you don't get an upset stomach very often. I loved tea when I tried it but again, the taste is fucking horrible. 1 sip sends me barfing in the toilet. As for effects, tea is awesome, 20 minutes and you're done for. Can easily take 1.5-2hours with capsules.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23403313 - 07/02/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i personally wouldnt do the alcohol extraction. too much work for little output in my opinion.

tea is ALWAYS my go-to for mushy consumption. just put grinded mushies or chopped mushies in water and let it get up to a boil or so and then turn it off. stir for a while, and then strain it out.. add sugar or lemon or w/e flavoring you like. boom. mushy tea.

thats about the simplest way to do it, but it works anyway lol.

there are also more elaborate and scientific extractions NOT involving alcohol that you might want to look into if you want a very pure substance.

p.s. poster above mentioned the taste of the tea lol. if you add a TON of lemon, ive found that lemon really overpowers the musty mushroom flavor many dont like. personally i LOVE the flavor of the mushies so i take it easy on the lemon and sugar. ive had friends go 50% lemon though and itll just taste like a sour sweet lemon juice.. that gets you tripped the fuck out in 20-30 minutes TOPS. (:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: MycoLoopology] * 1
    #23403327 - 07/02/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck that, I tried basically everything to mask the smell, the body knows what you are trying to shove down into it. It's an impusle nowadays, sip, barf, repeat... or not.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23403328 - 07/02/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I also love the taste of shrooms to me they have like a almond or something like that taste.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23403340 - 07/02/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Fuck that, I tried basically everything to mask the smell, the body knows what you are trying to shove down into it. It's an impusle nowadays, sip, barf, repeat... or not.




lol you sound EXACTLY like a few of my good friends. anytime they even ATTEMPT to eat mushies now, they gag. its all mental if you ask me haha. just be a man/woman and go for it! the stomach will power through if you push hard enough :p (at least it works for me haha. the nausea duration is much shorter with tea too; stronger, but shorter in length.. everyone is different i know)


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23403378 - 07/02/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would end up forcing the stuff down my mouth while it's coming back up through my nose :lol: It's that bad. I only started getting this way after I had a few really high doses in a short amount of time, so yes, I do believe it's mental. I used to like the taste before and I don't think it's a coincidence that my body started to reject them right after I had a few really intense trips.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Beastshroomer]
    #23403553 - 07/02/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I also love the taste of shrooms to me they have like a almond or something like that taste.




I'm with you.  I just wolf the dry ones down.  Earthy taste, not unlike pumpkin seeds.  More bounce than pumpkin seeds though.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23403740 - 07/02/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23404107 - 07/02/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ive found the alcohol extraction to be the easiest and best way of consuming and giving out good strong dosages regardless off strain. I just soak my ground dry shrooms in 200proof spirit alcohol covered for 24hours. Then I strain and soak for alter 12 hours and filter again and then let the alcohol evaporate to my desired level.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23404113 - 07/02/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also, grinding a few grams of really bruised/blue shrooms will result in a cool looking bluish liquid result.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23404114 - 07/02/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I do the same but with hot water instead of alcohol and for 24mins instead of 24hrs.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23404183 - 07/02/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, thanks for all the replies guys!
I will most likely do the alcohol extraction, but i might also get a capsule machine.
I can bare the taste of mushrooms, but alcohol extraction seemed like a stealth and convenient way, of storing the shrooms :laugh:

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I do the same but with hot water instead of alcohol and for 24mins instead of 24hrs.



Does this make a big difference?
Can you store the water in a vial too?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23404293 - 07/02/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

just freeze the water :thumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23404322 - 07/02/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just freeze the water :thumbup:




Gives the term ice cubes a whole new dimension, or three, or four.  :grin:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23404324 - 07/02/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I would end up forcing the stuff down my mouth while it's coming back up through my nose :lol: It's that bad. I only started getting this way after I had a few really high doses in a short amount of time, so yes, I do believe it's mental. I used to like the taste before and I don't think it's a coincidence that my body started to reject them right after I had a few really intense trips.






Have you tried my Lemon Tek with stevia leaf? It masks all taste for those who have tried it.


As for extraction, the ethyl alcohol + water will extract both actives.  Won't be purified but concentrated.  Small boiling flask + condenser with recycle solvents and not blow you up :p


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
    #23405299 - 07/02/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nah, I haven't but honestly, you can't really ever mask the taste of shrooms from a water extraction. Adding a stevia leaf isn't much different from other strong flavours. For someone who's brows go up with even a hint of shroom taste, it's pretty hard to think I would be able to drink any kind shroom tea, masked or not.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23405433 - 07/02/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe the sake helps too :wink:


Haven't really messed around with the recipe since I created it


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
    #23406101 - 07/03/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm still stuck on the water extraction with freezing. Do u freeze the shrooms fresh in the water it do u use dried shrooms?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23406272 - 07/03/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

BAsically, you follow any of the thousand tea or lemon teks out there, and instead of drinking it, you freeze it. You won't be freezing any mushrooms though, just their extract. Just look at a tea tek and you will understand.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23406393 - 07/03/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah its nothing magic, just make tea. then freeze it. if we were talking about regular tea you wouldn't ask me if you should freeze the tea bag as well :shrug:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23408241 - 07/03/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, back to the subject :p
I grounded the muchrooms and added 10ml of my alcohol per 1g(120ml total).
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23409347 - 07/04/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:dancer: Mine turned yellow after a day or two, if your's keeps looking like that it would be awesome :lol:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409362 - 07/04/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Be very careful with the heating of alcohol so no vapors catch fire.  The way it sounds is like alcohol extraction is very effective anyway.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: drolman]
    #23409382 - 07/04/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not really, I reckon it's about the worst one on it's own. AFAIK, alcohol can only extract one type of active(psilocybin IIRC). On the other hand psilocin is water soluble and requires water to be extracted.

What this means is that both methods will be only extracting one type of active but the difference is that the body cannot digest psilocybin as is, it needs to be broken down into psilocin first. This is why a water extraction is more efficient. The best extraction would be the chemical one, as I mentioned above. The method uses multiple chemicals to extract all or almost all of the actives but it requires lab gear and knowhow. Definitely not something you can pull off easy if you don't have any of those.

Note: This is all what I learned from posts on numerous sites after some pretty intense research. I could very well be wrong on some of the details but my experience with alcohol extractions seems to back this all up.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: drolman]
    #23409421 - 07/04/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Be very careful with the heating of alcohol so no vapors catch fire.  The way it sounds is like alcohol extraction is very effective anyway.



Yeah, i won't heat at  all, but shake the bottle once in a while, for 24-48 hours :wink:
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23409612 - 07/04/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

An alcohol extraction will definitely have a great effect. It kicks in really fast. I never heat my alcohol. Although I have read teks that get crystals as an end result of heating. I have yet to try this method. But maybe soon I'll be able to give some personal feedback on it. But u definitely can't GH wrong with a regular alcohol extraction.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23409653 - 07/04/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Psilocin degrades very quickly to Psilocybin. Assays of dried material typically only have the latter.

Almost all alcohol has water in it.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
    #23409676 - 07/04/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilocin degrades very quickly to Psilocybin. Assays of dried material typically only have the latter.

Almost all alcohol has water in it.




Psilocin is what gets you high.  Psilocybin turns into psilocin in your digestive system.  Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin.  A low psilocin may only indicate improper drying procedures, usually too long.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409692 - 07/04/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin.




bold statement! :eek:

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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409699 - 07/04/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

An Aeropress coffee maker is an efficient filtering device, instead of slowly waiting for gravity filtration you can use pressure.

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    #23409704 - 07/04/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Psilocin degrades very quickly to Psilocybin. Assays of dried material typically only have the latter.

Almost all alcohol has water in it.




Psilocin is what gets you high.  Psilocybin turns into psilocin in your digestive system. 




:whathesaid:

Not saying that an alcohol extraction can't work, I'm just saying that water extraction is more efficient and overall, alcohol extraction on it's own is the worst method out there.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409733 - 07/04/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin.




bold statement! :eek:

you're basically saying mushrooms that bruise heavily have lost a lot of potency...




Not at all.  If they have a higher psilocybin assay than psilocin to begin with, you're not too worried about the bruising.  On the other hand, if they were all psilocin and no psilocybin, it would only stand to reason one would want to keep the collateral damage down.  Each strain and each sub specie have different levels of both in them so the mileage would be very dependent on the individual mushroom.  I believe one of the purposes of the lemon tek is to do the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin for you, relieving your body of the workload and loading you up faster.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409751 - 07/04/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin.




bold statement! :eek:

you're basically saying mushrooms that bruise heavily have lost a lot of potency...




Not at all.  If they have a higher psilocybin assay than psilocin to begin with, you're not too worried about the bruising.




well, what if they are just "normal" cubes then without a higher psilo content to begin with?
handling causes bruising, so you're saying that would lessen potency? even if you start out with a high psilo content, you're saying you still lose some?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409769 - 07/04/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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KenInVic said:Not at all.  If they have a higher psilocybin assay than psilocin to begin with, you're not too worried about the bruising.




well, what if they are just "normal" cubes then without a higher psilo content to begin with?
handling causes bruising, so you're saying that would lessen potency? even if you start out with a high psilo content, you're saying you still lose some?




Anything that bruises them is costing you psilocin.  In the cake or substrate you don't care unless you were planning on having that for breakfast.

I can't say how much bruising a mushroom would take before the psilocin gave up the ghost completely.  I would just say handling them carefully at all times just helps.  You wouldn't want to find yourself appearing on fungicide charges.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409784 - 07/04/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, that's a hot subject and one I'm sure wont be settles in this nor any other thread in any near future.
But you're making some very bold statements, got anything to back it up with?
and what about non actives that bruise blue? How are they losing any psilo when they dont have it?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409810 - 07/04/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, that's a hot subject and one I'm sure wont be settles in this nor any other thread in any near future.
But you're making some very bold statements, got anything to back it up with?
and what about non actives that bruise blue? How are they losing any psilo when they dont have it?




It's only hot because you're making it hot, lol.  The info is out there.  You need to read some technical material occasionally and not just blogs and forum posts.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409827 - 07/04/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:whatwhatwhat:

so I'm reading blogs now :lol:
I think you're reading a bit too much into the stuff you find, would be really weird if you just happened to find the holy grail outside of shroomery which no one has done before you.

there are so many opinions out there on this subject, none conclusive that I've seen or seen anyone else here found. If you think you have please share!


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409831 - 07/04/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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:whatwhatwhat:

so I'm reading blogs now :lol:
I think you're reading a bit too much into the stuff you find, would be really weird if you just happened to find the holy grail outside of shroomery which no one has done before you.

there are so many opinions out there on this subject, none conclusive that I've seen or seen anyone else here found. If you think you have please share!




I know what I know.  In the interests of keeping this civil, I will endeavour to backtrack and cite my references.  However, I stand by what I've stated to this point.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409847 - 07/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

dude... erowid? :rofl:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic] * 1
    #23409848 - 07/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Vit C protects from being 'reduced' by oxygen.


And yes, your body dephosphorylates it to psilocin. Psilocybin is much more stable


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409854 - 07/04/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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dude... erowid? :rofl:




Whatever.  I'm not your bitch.  Do your own research and show your refutation.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409865 - 07/04/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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dude... erowid? :rofl:




Whatever.  I'm not your bitch.  Do your own research and show your refutation.




my bitch? I simply asked you to back up your statements. It was you who told me
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You need to read some technical material occasionally and not just blogs and forum posts.




and then you post an erowid link..
You know how many myths there are about mushrooms out there, all just anecdotal and without any regard to cause and correlation.

There isnt much research done on psilo content because its illegal in most parts of the world.
most research on psychs ended in the 60s and have barely started up again.

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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic] * 1
    #23409870 - 07/04/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It is common knowledge that the bruising is actives being lost but it's also been said that it is negligable. As far as non actives bruising, I read that they have some sort of indoles that make them bruised. Not actives, just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.

I mean sure, it is a good idea not to beat your shrooms to a pulp but you shouldn't be messing with shrooms that are low enough in actives for the difference to be noticeable.

This is a retarded argument.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409879 - 07/04/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My apologies if I appear hyper sensitive.  It's I'm just a little gun shy of some of the snipers in here and don't take lightly to it.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409883 - 07/04/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409888 - 07/04/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

If you've found something no one else here has on another site please share!




We weren't talking about non-actives. Bam.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409890 - 07/04/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Oh boy. Kiss your thread goodbye OP.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409895 - 07/04/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

If you've found something no one else here has on another site please share!




We weren't talking about non-actives. Bam.




we're talking about what causes mushrooms to bruise blue, that happens in actives and non actives.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409901 - 07/04/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

If you've found something no one else here has on another site please share!




We weren't talking about non-actives. Bam.




we're talking about what causes mushrooms to bruise blue, that happens in actives and non actives.




You might have been.  I certainly wasn't.  I was trying to stay in context with the alcohol extraction and alternative processes, hence my mention of the lemon tek.  I was only talking about actives at any time.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409907 - 07/04/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

maybe you dont get what I said, indoles bruise blue in non-actives,
but you claim its 100% the psilo that bruises in actives.
I say how can you be so sure its not indoles in the actives bruising blue?

if this is such common knowledge, then show me :shrug:
I'm not saying I am right, I'm saying you can't say for sure You're right either. that your statements are very bold. now back them up or dont, i'm not getting into a pissing match..


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409913 - 07/04/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is very strong evidence that the actives cause the blue bruising in psycilobye's. I have to mention the fact, yet again, that this argument is retarded.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409926 - 07/04/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There is very strong evidence that the actives cause the blue bruising in psycilobye's.




Where?!?  :tweak:

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I have to mention the fact, yet again, that this argument is retarded.




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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409965 - 07/04/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well for one, more potent shrooms tend to bruise more than below average potency ones. Also, some shrooms that have a very low psilocin content do not bruise at all or bruise very very little, this too suggests that only psilocin is the cause for bruising. You can take it anyway you like really, as you said, there is no 100% sure article which explains it but that doesn't mean we can't do simple math and deduction.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409974 - 07/04/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well for one, more potent shrooms tend to bruise more than below average potency ones. Also, some shrooms that have a very low psilocin content do not bruise at all or bruise very very little, this too suggests that only psilocin is the cause for bruising.




that first part would suggest it should be the other way around really, if bruising = lost actives why would the most bruised fruits be more active? they should've lost most.
and I and many many others have reported bunk shrooms bruising dark as fuck, and super potent mushrooms not bruising at all, and of course the opposite as well.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409991 - 07/04/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because they have more actives in the first place? You will also see how I said that they "tend". Not always, "tend".

But anyway, I will gladly say you're right if it would make you drop this.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410010 - 07/04/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I cant "be right" because I dont have an opinion either way. it could well be, but I havent seen anything concrete, only anecdotal evidence and very conflicting anecdotes..

Only thing I want is for people to not say things that arent true or cant be backed up :shrug: there already is a website for that and its called erowid..


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    #23410019 - 07/04/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410038 - 07/04/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are a few non active mushrooms that bruise blue... Are they super potent?


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    #23410053 - 07/04/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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    #23410067 - 07/04/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

how about my pans? they rarely bruise much at all...


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410074 - 07/04/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't  the bluing generally known to be the oxidation of phenolic compounds rather than direct oxidation of psilcin or psilocybin? I was under the impression blue equals psilo had gone the way of flat earth n cold shocking


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23410078 - 07/04/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Funny, most folks say exactly the opposite.


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    #23410089 - 07/04/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Isn't  the bluing generally known to be the oxidation of phenolic compounds rather than direct oxidation of psilcin or psilocybin? I was under the impression blue equals psilo had gone the way of flat earth n cold shocking




No one is sure really. It's just that most of the time, the evidence does indeed point to psilocin. Not psilocybin though. That's why I say that even though no one can say one way or the other, you can still have your hunch.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410098 - 07/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

when I did my alcohol extraction I just put a bunch if dried mushrooms into a half empty bottle of 151 and left it on my fridge for a month, mushing the mixture with a stick and shaking it every once in awhile. Me and some friends drank it on a night when we were already tripping mush and MDMA so it is hard to guess potency but every time I took a little shot I would get explosions of OEV and the 151 turned a badass blue color


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    #23410099 - 07/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I believe it iw covered somewhere in this review: doi:10.1016/B978-0-444-63462-7.00005-1


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410100 - 07/04/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are multiple indoles

Indo = indigo = blue


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Edit, well between blue and violet in spectrum


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: alphawomble]
    #23410108 - 07/04/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is nothing in the photo reactivity of psilocybin to suggest blue, however phenol generally forms blue oxidative products. I will try and reference.


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    #23410120 - 07/04/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:cookiemonster:Copper is blue


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    #23410310 - 07/04/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Isn't  the bluing generally known to be the oxidation of phenolic compounds rather than direct oxidation of psilcin or psilocybin? I was under the impression blue equals psilo had gone the way of flat earth n cold shocking




No one is sure really. It's just that most of the time, the evidence does indeed point to psilocin.




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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23410362 - 07/04/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mushroom blood turns blue, just like ours turns blue to red.  Wonder what would happen inside a CO2 or N2 filled SAB

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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
    #23410365 - 07/04/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Our blood is not blue...:justno:

Just noticed the joking part... Nvm... Carry on


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23410378 - 07/04/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Veins are blue for some reason.  Arteries red



Lol, this thread has been derailed a few times!


Edit: found one comment that blue spectrum light is capable of passing through the fat layer, and reflects back. 


Kinda makes sense due to being higher wavelength


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
    #23410385 - 07/04/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410890 - 07/04/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh boy. Kiss your thread goodbye OP.



Yeah well...
It's some pretty interesting topics, so I'm just reading along xD

This is what the first 24hr extraction looks like:

I've added new alcohol to the shrooms, after filtering through coffee filter.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23410903 - 07/04/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh boy. Kiss your thread goodbye OP.



Yeah well...
It's some pretty interesting topics, so I'm just reading along xD

This is what the first 24hr extraction looks like:

I've added new alcohol to the shrooms, after filtering through coffee filter.




First of all, apologies for sending your thread sideways.  Second, is there a tint to that or is it just the available lighting?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23411126 - 07/04/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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nornor said:
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Oh boy. Kiss your thread goodbye OP.



Yeah well...
It's some pretty interesting topics, so I'm just reading along xD

This is what the first 24hr extraction looks like:

I've added new alcohol to the shrooms, after filtering through coffee filter.




First of all, apologies for sending your thread sideways.  Second, is there a tint to that or is it just the available lighting?



No problem :laugh:
I have some troubles with lighting, so i'll upload a picture tomorrow.
I believe there is a yellow tint, but it's barely visible.
The alcohol was dark purple and absolutely not transparent, when in the bottle with the shrooms.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23412605 - 07/05/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Be careful not to over evaporate your extract.
I made the mistake of falling to sleep with a little left to evaporate. I extracted from 5grams, intending to concentrate it to one gram CC, so I would have 5ccs. I ended up over doing it and now I have a really heroic dose of 1.5ccs. Smh. I'm almost scared to test this one.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23412692 - 07/05/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Be careful not to over evaporate your extract.
I made the mistake of falling to sleep with a little left to evaporate. I extracted from 5grams, intending to concentrate it to one gram CC, so I would have 5ccs. I ended up over doing it and now I have a really heroic dose of 1.5ccs. Smh. I'm almost scared to test this one.



Haha, I won't make that mistake :laugh:
Sounds insane, though.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23412711 - 07/05/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have a friend in mind who would be willing to try it. Lol.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23412731 - 07/05/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I have a friend in mind who would be willing to try it. Lol.




5grams concentrated>? id try that in a heart beat.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23412840 - 07/05/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I tried 2grams the other day and it hit me super hard in about 20minutes. Just the thought of dropping a 5gram dose is incapacitating.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23412861 - 07/05/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

20 minutes is about right. tea works that way for me, but thats essentially a concentrated dose as well if you think about it. not QUITE as concentrated maybe, but i think you get a lot out of it with good old h2o.

and theres always that argument about what chemicals are extracted between psilocin and cibin or w/e between h2o and alcohol extractions. but ive had friends do alcohol extractions, and i definitely tripped bawls off it, so no doubt it worked lol.

5grams is a nice strong happy dose though (; i think youd enjoy it. not that im advocating you just go for it or anything... you know yourself; i dont.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: MycoLoopology]
    #23413117 - 07/05/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have yet to try the h2o method but I'll secondly try it and compared it. But I've read that if I boil the alcohol mixture I can end up with crystalline shrooms


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23413130 - 07/05/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I have yet to try the h2o method but I'll secondly try it and compared it. But I've read that if I boil the alcohol mixture I can end up with crystalline shrooms



And then what? Mix them with water to disolve them prior to ingestion... Pretty much making all of your work to get the "crystals" useless by turning it back into basically a tea that you could have made with water in 20 minutes?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23413141 - 07/05/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've actually read that the crystals can be vaped.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
    #23413186 - 07/05/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

smoking mushrooms.... that's for a whole nother forum:rofl:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23413202 - 07/05/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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smoking mushrooms.... that's for a whole nother forum:rofl:



I smoked an 1/8 yesterday... Boy I'll tell you what...:vibin:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23414719 - 07/05/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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smoking mushrooms.... that's for a whole nother forum:rofl:



I smoked an 1/8 yesterday... Boy I'll tell you what...:vibin:



Is this actually doable?
Please elaborate :laugh:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23415092 - 07/05/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah man... Grind it up and put it in a meth pipe... Smoke it up...





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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23415957 - 07/06/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah man... Grind it up and put it in a meth pipe... Smoke it up...





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Haha :laugh:
Well i thought, maybe it's possible with the crystals xD


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
    #23416521 - 07/06/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Crystals aren't worth it. They oxidize by the second once you evaporate all the alcohol. Some folks also think that the crystals are not actually actives. But honestly, if you can manage to get high enough for ego death from 5-10ml of alcohol extract, you don't need anything better than that.


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