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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409926 - 07/04/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There is very strong evidence that the actives cause the blue bruising in psycilobye's.




Where?!?  :tweak:

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I have to mention the fact, yet again, that this argument is retarded.




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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409965 - 07/04/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well for one, more potent shrooms tend to bruise more than below average potency ones. Also, some shrooms that have a very low psilocin content do not bruise at all or bruise very very little, this too suggests that only psilocin is the cause for bruising. You can take it anyway you like really, as you said, there is no 100% sure article which explains it but that doesn't mean we can't do simple math and deduction.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409974 - 07/04/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well for one, more potent shrooms tend to bruise more than below average potency ones. Also, some shrooms that have a very low psilocin content do not bruise at all or bruise very very little, this too suggests that only psilocin is the cause for bruising.




that first part would suggest it should be the other way around really, if bruising = lost actives why would the most bruised fruits be more active? they should've lost most.
and I and many many others have reported bunk shrooms bruising dark as fuck, and super potent mushrooms not bruising at all, and of course the opposite as well.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409991 - 07/04/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because they have more actives in the first place? You will also see how I said that they "tend". Not always, "tend".

But anyway, I will gladly say you're right if it would make you drop this.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410010 - 07/04/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I cant "be right" because I dont have an opinion either way. it could well be, but I havent seen anything concrete, only anecdotal evidence and very conflicting anecdotes..

Only thing I want is for people to not say things that arent true or cant be backed up :shrug: there already is a website for that and its called erowid..


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23410019 - 07/04/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:billymaythumbup:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410038 - 07/04/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are a few non active mushrooms that bruise blue... Are they super potent?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23410053 - 07/04/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You're about a page late :rofl:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410067 - 07/04/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

how about my pans? they rarely bruise much at all...


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410074 - 07/04/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't  the bluing generally known to be the oxidation of phenolic compounds rather than direct oxidation of psilcin or psilocybin? I was under the impression blue equals psilo had gone the way of flat earth n cold shocking


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23410078 - 07/04/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Funny, most folks say exactly the opposite.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: alphawomble]
    #23410089 - 07/04/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Isn't  the bluing generally known to be the oxidation of phenolic compounds rather than direct oxidation of psilcin or psilocybin? I was under the impression blue equals psilo had gone the way of flat earth n cold shocking




No one is sure really. It's just that most of the time, the evidence does indeed point to psilocin. Not psilocybin though. That's why I say that even though no one can say one way or the other, you can still have your hunch.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410098 - 07/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

when I did my alcohol extraction I just put a bunch if dried mushrooms into a half empty bottle of 151 and left it on my fridge for a month, mushing the mixture with a stick and shaking it every once in awhile. Me and some friends drank it on a night when we were already tripping mush and MDMA so it is hard to guess potency but every time I took a little shot I would get explosions of OEV and the 151 turned a badass blue color


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: alphawomble]
    #23410099 - 07/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I believe it iw covered somewhere in this review: doi:10.1016/B978-0-444-63462-7.00005-1


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410100 - 07/04/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are multiple indoles

Indo = indigo = blue


:p


Edit, well between blue and violet in spectrum


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: alphawomble]
    #23410108 - 07/04/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is nothing in the photo reactivity of psilocybin to suggest blue, however phenol generally forms blue oxidative products. I will try and reference.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: alphawomble]
    #23410120 - 07/04/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:cookiemonster:Copper is blue


Guess I could research a bit


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23410310 - 07/04/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Isn't  the bluing generally known to be the oxidation of phenolic compounds rather than direct oxidation of psilcin or psilocybin? I was under the impression blue equals psilo had gone the way of flat earth n cold shocking




No one is sure really. It's just that most of the time, the evidence does indeed point to psilocin.




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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23410362 - 07/04/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mushroom blood turns blue, just like ours turns blue to red.  Wonder what would happen inside a CO2 or N2 filled SAB

:mushroom2: joking about blood btw :eek:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
    #23410365 - 07/04/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Our blood is not blue...:justno:

Just noticed the joking part... Nvm... Carry on


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