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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409751 - 07/04/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin.




bold statement! :eek:

you're basically saying mushrooms that bruise heavily have lost a lot of potency...




Not at all.  If they have a higher psilocybin assay than psilocin to begin with, you're not too worried about the bruising.




well, what if they are just "normal" cubes then without a higher psilo content to begin with?
handling causes bruising, so you're saying that would lessen potency? even if you start out with a high psilo content, you're saying you still lose some?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409769 - 07/04/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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KenInVic said:Not at all.  If they have a higher psilocybin assay than psilocin to begin with, you're not too worried about the bruising.




well, what if they are just "normal" cubes then without a higher psilo content to begin with?
handling causes bruising, so you're saying that would lessen potency? even if you start out with a high psilo content, you're saying you still lose some?




Anything that bruises them is costing you psilocin.  In the cake or substrate you don't care unless you were planning on having that for breakfast.

I can't say how much bruising a mushroom would take before the psilocin gave up the ghost completely.  I would just say handling them carefully at all times just helps.  You wouldn't want to find yourself appearing on fungicide charges.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409784 - 07/04/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, that's a hot subject and one I'm sure wont be settles in this nor any other thread in any near future.
But you're making some very bold statements, got anything to back it up with?
and what about non actives that bruise blue? How are they losing any psilo when they dont have it?


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409810 - 07/04/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, that's a hot subject and one I'm sure wont be settles in this nor any other thread in any near future.
But you're making some very bold statements, got anything to back it up with?
and what about non actives that bruise blue? How are they losing any psilo when they dont have it?




It's only hot because you're making it hot, lol.  The info is out there.  You need to read some technical material occasionally and not just blogs and forum posts.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409827 - 07/04/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:whatwhatwhat:

so I'm reading blogs now :lol:
I think you're reading a bit too much into the stuff you find, would be really weird if you just happened to find the holy grail outside of shroomery which no one has done before you.

there are so many opinions out there on this subject, none conclusive that I've seen or seen anyone else here found. If you think you have please share!


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409831 - 07/04/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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:whatwhatwhat:

so I'm reading blogs now :lol:
I think you're reading a bit too much into the stuff you find, would be really weird if you just happened to find the holy grail outside of shroomery which no one has done before you.

there are so many opinions out there on this subject, none conclusive that I've seen or seen anyone else here found. If you think you have please share!




I know what I know.  In the interests of keeping this civil, I will endeavour to backtrack and cite my references.  However, I stand by what I've stated to this point.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409840 - 07/04/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409847 - 07/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

dude... erowid? :rofl:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic] * 1
    #23409848 - 07/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Vit C protects from being 'reduced' by oxygen.


And yes, your body dephosphorylates it to psilocin. Psilocybin is much more stable


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409854 - 07/04/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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dude... erowid? :rofl:




Whatever.  I'm not your bitch.  Do your own research and show your refutation.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409865 - 07/04/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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dude... erowid? :rofl:




Whatever.  I'm not your bitch.  Do your own research and show your refutation.




my bitch? I simply asked you to back up your statements. It was you who told me
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You need to read some technical material occasionally and not just blogs and forum posts.




and then you post an erowid link..
You know how many myths there are about mushrooms out there, all just anecdotal and without any regard to cause and correlation.

There isnt much research done on psilo content because its illegal in most parts of the world.
most research on psychs ended in the 60s and have barely started up again.

and relax, no need to get upset man! :cool:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic] * 1
    #23409870 - 07/04/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It is common knowledge that the bruising is actives being lost but it's also been said that it is negligable. As far as non actives bruising, I read that they have some sort of indoles that make them bruised. Not actives, just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.

I mean sure, it is a good idea not to beat your shrooms to a pulp but you shouldn't be messing with shrooms that are low enough in actives for the difference to be noticeable.

This is a retarded argument.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409879 - 07/04/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My apologies if I appear hyper sensitive.  It's I'm just a little gun shy of some of the snipers in here and don't take lightly to it.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23409883 - 07/04/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

If you've found something no one else here has on another site please share!


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409888 - 07/04/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

If you've found something no one else here has on another site please share!




We weren't talking about non-actives. Bam.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409890 - 07/04/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Oh boy. Kiss your thread goodbye OP.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409895 - 07/04/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

If you've found something no one else here has on another site please share!




We weren't talking about non-actives. Bam.




we're talking about what causes mushrooms to bruise blue, that happens in actives and non actives.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409901 - 07/04/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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just other chemicals that oxidize in the same way.




BAM! exactly. so we cant know its actives being lost in active mushrooms.
You can search your ass off here on the shroomery, you wont find any evidence but lots of opinions.

If you've found something no one else here has on another site please share!




We weren't talking about non-actives. Bam.




we're talking about what causes mushrooms to bruise blue, that happens in actives and non actives.




You might have been.  I certainly wasn't.  I was trying to stay in context with the alcohol extraction and alternative processes, hence my mention of the lemon tek.  I was only talking about actives at any time.


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
    #23409907 - 07/04/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

maybe you dont get what I said, indoles bruise blue in non-actives,
but you claim its 100% the psilo that bruises in actives.
I say how can you be so sure its not indoles in the actives bruising blue?

if this is such common knowledge, then show me :shrug:
I'm not saying I am right, I'm saying you can't say for sure You're right either. that your statements are very bold. now back them up or dont, i'm not getting into a pissing match..


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
    #23409913 - 07/04/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There is very strong evidence that the actives cause the blue bruising in psycilobye's. I have to mention the fact, yet again, that this argument is retarded.


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