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spacechildo
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
#23404293 - 07/02/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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just freeze the water
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KenInVic
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
#23404322 - 07/02/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: just freeze the water 
Gives the term ice cubes a whole new dimension, or three, or four.
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Supalemonhaze said: I would end up forcing the stuff down my mouth while it's coming back up through my nose It's that bad. I only started getting this way after I had a few really high doses in a short amount of time, so yes, I do believe it's mental. I used to like the taste before and I don't think it's a coincidence that my body started to reject them right after I had a few really intense trips.
Have you tried my Lemon Tek with stevia leaf? It masks all taste for those who have tried it.
As for extraction, the ethyl alcohol + water will extract both actives. Won't be purified but concentrated. Small boiling flask + condenser with recycle solvents and not blow you up :p
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
#23405299 - 07/02/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nah, I haven't but honestly, you can't really ever mask the taste of shrooms from a water extraction. Adding a stevia leaf isn't much different from other strong flavours. For someone who's brows go up with even a hint of shroom taste, it's pretty hard to think I would be able to drink any kind shroom tea, masked or not.
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Maybe the sake helps too
Haven't really messed around with the recipe since I created it
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
#23406101 - 07/03/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm still stuck on the water extraction with freezing. Do u freeze the shrooms fresh in the water it do u use dried shrooms?
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
#23406272 - 07/03/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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BAsically, you follow any of the thousand tea or lemon teks out there, and instead of drinking it, you freeze it. You won't be freezing any mushrooms though, just their extract. Just look at a tea tek and you will understand.
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spacechildo
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yeah its nothing magic, just make tea. then freeze it. if we were talking about regular tea you wouldn't ask me if you should freeze the tea bag as well
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
#23408241 - 07/03/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, back to the subject :p I grounded the muchrooms and added 10ml of my alcohol per 1g(120ml total). This is what it looks like:


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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
#23409347 - 07/04/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mine turned yellow after a day or two, if your's keeps looking like that it would be awesome
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Be very careful with the heating of alcohol so no vapors catch fire. The way it sounds is like alcohol extraction is very effective anyway.
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: drolman]
#23409382 - 07/04/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not really, I reckon it's about the worst one on it's own. AFAIK, alcohol can only extract one type of active(psilocybin IIRC). On the other hand psilocin is water soluble and requires water to be extracted.
What this means is that both methods will be only extracting one type of active but the difference is that the body cannot digest psilocybin as is, it needs to be broken down into psilocin first. This is why a water extraction is more efficient. The best extraction would be the chemical one, as I mentioned above. The method uses multiple chemicals to extract all or almost all of the actives but it requires lab gear and knowhow. Definitely not something you can pull off easy if you don't have any of those.
Note: This is all what I learned from posts on numerous sites after some pretty intense research. I could very well be wrong on some of the details but my experience with alcohol extractions seems to back this all up.
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: drolman]
#23409421 - 07/04/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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drolman said: Be very careful with the heating of alcohol so no vapors catch fire. The way it sounds is like alcohol extraction is very effective anyway.
Yeah, i won't heat at all, but shake the bottle once in a while, for 24-48 hours  I hope the extraction will still have any effects :p
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: nornor]
#23409612 - 07/04/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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An alcohol extraction will definitely have a great effect. It kicks in really fast. I never heat my alcohol. Although I have read teks that get crystals as an end result of heating. I have yet to try this method. But maybe soon I'll be able to give some personal feedback on it. But u definitely can't GH wrong with a regular alcohol extraction.
Edited by Breadman66 (07/04/16 08:30 AM)
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Breadman66]
#23409653 - 07/04/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Psilocin degrades very quickly to Psilocybin. Assays of dried material typically only have the latter.
Almost all alcohol has water in it.
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: Snazz]
#23409676 - 07/04/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Snazz said: Psilocin degrades very quickly to Psilocybin. Assays of dried material typically only have the latter.
Almost all alcohol has water in it.
Psilocin is what gets you high. Psilocybin turns into psilocin in your digestive system. Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin. A low psilocin may only indicate improper drying procedures, usually too long.
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
#23409692 - 07/04/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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KenInVic said: Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin.
bold statement! 
you're basically saying mushrooms that bruise heavily have lost a lot of potency...
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
#23409699 - 07/04/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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An Aeropress coffee maker is an efficient filtering device, instead of slowly waiting for gravity filtration you can use pressure.
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: KenInVic]
#23409704 - 07/04/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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KenInVic said:
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Snazz said: Psilocin degrades very quickly to Psilocybin. Assays of dried material typically only have the latter.
Almost all alcohol has water in it.
Psilocin is what gets you high. Psilocybin turns into psilocin in your digestive system.

Not saying that an alcohol extraction can't work, I'm just saying that water extraction is more efficient and overall, alcohol extraction on it's own is the worst method out there.
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Re: Psilocybin alcohol extraction [Re: spacechildo]
#23409733 - 07/04/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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KenInVic said: Mushrooms that have dried may or may not have high assays of psilocin because it turns blue when it oxidizes and is no longer psilocin.
bold statement! 
you're basically saying mushrooms that bruise heavily have lost a lot of potency...
Not at all. If they have a higher psilocybin assay than psilocin to begin with, you're not too worried about the bruising. On the other hand, if they were all psilocin and no psilocybin, it would only stand to reason one would want to keep the collateral damage down. Each strain and each sub specie have different levels of both in them so the mileage would be very dependent on the individual mushroom. I believe one of the purposes of the lemon tek is to do the conversion of psilocybin to psilocin for you, relieving your body of the workload and loading you up faster.
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"Because something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones." Ballad of a Thin Man by Mrs. Zimmerman's little boy, Bobby.
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