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SiberianSun
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Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ):
#23402901 - 07/02/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am writing this because I am bound and determined to find a solution to this problem. I have done endless hours of research, and still I am left wondering why this keeps on happening to me, and whats going wrong.
In my previous post, I gave a history of my past psychdelic experience. I am an experienced user of lsd and mushrooms. At least 100 acid trips under my belt. Probably 40 shroom trips now, minimum. I should mention these are acquired from a trusted friend not grown by me. Honestly i do not know much about the strain, or the method of cultivation. The first couple dozen times i got them they were teeny tiny little dried mushies. To me they resembled potpourri. I know this may not be the best description but i dont have any pics of those early batches. The ones I've received since are much larger and sometimes quite stringy with dark to sandy brown dust in the bottom of the baggies. The smaller shroomies also had a tiny amount of dried verm in the sack with them. The more recent ones dont, and strange as it seems the caps appear to have a glittery appearance. But i have yet to get to the actual problem...just giving a bit of history.
The trips have been different too it seems. The early batches were some of the most beautiful insightful experiences of my life. Honestly they all have started this way. Yes i have the typical come up anxiety but nothing that doesnt quickly fade as my mind adjusts to the higher dimensions. My last trip, just several weeks ago started out amazing...absolutely divine. Stunning psychedelic imagery, feelings of absolute peace and unity with the cosmic universe and every conscious being thats ever lived. Then at a certain point this strange sensation sets in that I simply cannot shake. It starts in my jaw. Its like a certain tension. Not really painful but certainly uncomfortable. Then my vision blurs slightly. The typical psychedelic visuals seem to magnify, leaving an almost blinding, iridescent glow. It is there with eyes open or shut. Again not painful but certainly irritating. Then it gets a bit scary. My sinuses seem to get congested. This has ranged from mild to severe, like when you have a bad cold. These symptoms certainly lead to a steep rise in anxiety. Last time and one time before, several trips ago, I genuinely believed I was dying. And not ego death either, actual physical death. The most concerning symptom is a tightening sensation in my chest and throat. As an asthmatic, this more of less scares the shit out of me. I realized it probably is nt as bad as it seems, as I have certainly survived each and every time. But at the time it feels ungodly real and has really made me hesitant to do mushrooms again. This makes me very sad. I love mushies and the experience certainly is nt always and has nt always been bad. I am fairly certain there is something physically going on and that it is nt just anxiety or a panic attack.
I am 100 percent certain I am experiencing some strong form of vaso and bronchoconstriction. Last time I definitely was experiencing strong bronchospasms. Asthma meds did not seem to help. Nor did benydryl. I have considered that this may be some form of allergic reaction. But an allergic reaction would be each and every time one was exposed to said allergen, correct? The first time this reaction occured I really considered calling the paramedics, because I thought I may have been borderlining anaphylactic shock. But after an hour or two and with the help of some benzos, these nasty feelings subsided. And I lived to trip another day, but with great apprehension.
This situation all in really sucks.the psychedelic experience has taught me so much about myself and EVERYTHING and mushrooms specifically have become a favorite of mine. Before these strange occurences began, I never even had the typical body load issues that some complain of. No heaviness, very little anxiety, etc. In fact, in the past I've been able to keep my shit together even when my certified psychonaut boyfriend has been on the verge of losing it! In all my experience I have only had one bad trip and it was on 3 hits of good blotter acid. Which is funny because I would usually dose higher and never had a bad experience til then. Yes I thought I had lost my mind but there was little to no actual physical discomfort. It was all 100 percent mental.
So fellow shroomers...please help me! I am concerned for my physical safety. The chances of me just giving up on mushrooms are slim to none. Not when I know how truly amazing and beautiful they can be. So heres a few notes and ideas I have. Any and all input shall be greatly appreciated...
-I am 27 years old and in relatively good health. I suffer from psoriasis and asthma, neither of which slow me down much. I do smoke cigs, which I know is not good for me.
-I always trip at home or at a very nearby park. Setting is always very safe and familiar. Usually just with my boyfriend or close friends. -I do not use benzos often at all. I do however feel like I need them with me when I trip on mushies now. The only thing that has stopped this strange reaction dead in its tracks was 1mg xanax which was crushed and snorted for fast relief. Knocked me out pretty instantly. -I do take primatine mist tabs almost daily for asthma. The ephedrine provides a bit of an energy boost as well. But I hardly notice that part at all anynore. Guess I've developed a bit of a tolerance.I carry my albuterol inhaler at all times for quick asthma relief. And here's a couple things I have considered trying to remedy this issue...I have considered the possibility this could be anything from a strange, mild seizure, to a type of allergic response, to a severe panic attack. But shit man if thats a panic attack, who knew a panic attack could manifests itself in such a physical way? Anyways...back to my ideas...
-I have considered growing mushies myself to rule out contamination. Maybe a clean strain like cyaneses..I know I spelled that wrong.Maybe eating them fresh, cooked, or making tea or a lemon tek? I have only ever eaten them dried. -Ayahuasca. Been wanting to try it for a long time. Perhaps if this happena on the aya, I could consider that it IS just anxiety. -certain vitamins and supplements that I have read could help prevent vasoconstriction. L-arginine was one,also magnesium and niacin. Even viagra, though that seems a bit extreme.
Sorry guys I know this is long as hell but I have been searching for answers and so far havent found any that have worked. I had mild improvement using deep breathing exercises. This worked wonders during my bad lsd experience, but for some reason it has nt helped with this issue much. It should be noted that I dont consider these experiences to be "bad trips". The trip is phenomonal until these physically distressing symptoms take hold. Last time I ended up almost calling 911. I had managed to calm myself down and feel my typical happy trippyness for a while, but another "attack" came soon after.
I will be keeping close tabs on this thread. Again, any ideas, input, and advice will be greatly appreciated.
Peace and love everyone, Trippy Tiffy
Edited by SiberianSun (07/03/16 02:40 AM)
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LuzaW
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: SiberianSun]
#23403279 - 07/02/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i don't really have any advice or suggestions, but you've laid out the problem well. your written presentation is clear and you made good use of white space
not specific to your problems, but growing your own, if it can be done safely, is always a good idea
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: SiberianSun]
#23403301 - 07/02/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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People do these substances because they foremost bring enjoyment, but also because they enlighten us to the things we don't realize. I have recently come at an impasse with my experiences and it is a terrible thought for me. It's like if I didn't have my dog with me or something. I hope that makes sense, it's deeply personal. I love my experiences and I've grown endlessly as a person. Lately I've found myself exceedingly worried mid-trip about my health due to previous injuries, recent losses, and family history. I can't shake the feeling because I feel irresponsible, with every day a story written in the days before it we have more to lose with every passing page. I don't want to flip through my last few pages just for the thought at I can enjoy that time more than I already am. McKenna's quote "If you get the message, hang up the phone" is incredibly vague because it needs to be, because it means something different to us all. If you have nothing else to say right now... walk away, forever if need be. Life's too short and too precious to waste. If you've been enlightened to your own flaws and insecurities then maybes it's possible those things should be first addressed before you force yourself in to an uncomfortable situation.
Sorry if that's written odd or whatever I'm coming down off some shrooms
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23403424 - 07/02/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I found anxiety is just caused by a self realization of flaws. Sometimes it's all about accepting and working on the underlying problem. That's my experience and anxiety is very physical, not just in the mind. Work through it, don't give up. Good luck
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: Headrush]
#23403499 - 07/02/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can you add a TL;DR please OP?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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SiberianSun
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23404892 - 07/02/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry I'm a fairly new poster here. What is a TL DOC?
I appreciate everyone's answers.
Much love, Tiff
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: SiberianSun]
#23404907 - 07/02/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
SiberianSun said: Sorry I'm a fairly new poster here. What is a TL DOC?
I appreciate everyone's answers.
Much love, Tiff
TL;DR means too long, didn't read
like i posted earlier, you gave us a very well written, nicely formatted post to read. it's not too long to read imo
and OP means original poster
Edited by LuzaW (07/02/16 06:36 PM)
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: SiberianSun] 1
#23404915 - 07/02/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It stand's for Too Long; Didn't read.
A lot of us only have a certain amount of time to spend here, and so when you see a massive post and would like to read it but don't have time, normally to help the guy making the post will write at the end:
Tl;dr <This is a short summary of the whole post in a couple of lines. That way those that are pushed for time can get a feel for what I'm sharing, and those that have time or later decide to can then read the in-depth version>
Also, bear in mind that right clicking a term like that and searching google nearly always gets you a quicker answer than asking here:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=TL%3BDR&oq=TL%3BDR&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23405193 - 07/02/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It would be nice, because I want to help, but I really don't think you need to write an entire page of text to describe your problem well enough to get the help you need. And I'm definitely not going to read that.
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: healing] 1
#23405356 - 07/02/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Halve the dose and try to deliberately bring up those sensations, you need to verify whether it is psychosomatic. The limbic system tends to manifest emotional knots or hangups in the body, there could be a story behind these sensations that you are missing by trying to escape them.
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SiberianSun
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#23405579 - 07/02/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually your posts doesn't read weird to me at all. Much of it reminds me a lot of myself. There are many things I have learned from my experiences, and each and every one has struck a cord deep within. On one of my most memorable trips, I was standing outsidr on the clearest of nights, every star in the sky was shimmering perfection. Then I thought of my grandparents. They raised me and loved me and taught me all I know. And now they are gone. I hadnt ever truly mourned their loss properly. It was simply too much to bare. Then another wave hit, one of overwhelming peace and love. I walked inside and looked at their picture, my very favorite one. Their expressions came to life. In that instant i realized they were together, happy, free and forever connected to each other and myself. I realized that death is not an ending, it is simply our consciousness leaving our bodies and becoming one with eternity, God, whatever you wish to call it. Heavy shit, right?
I was wondering what you meant about the dog? I have 5 dogs I love dearly. On my first mushie trip ever I looked into my little red siberian huskys eyes and saw a bursting blue kaleidoscope that turned into the galaxy. Then she licked my face and I realized how much she and all my pets love me... For myself! As imperfect and flawed as I am....so yeah I can relate to the dog thing for sure (:
I feel like I have so much more to learn though. And ayahuasca is calling my name. Perhaps the answer to my problems lyes with her. I've heard of how she heals even the deepest of wounds...
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I truly appreciate it.
Much love, Tiff
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SiberianSun
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: SiberianSun]
#23405615 - 07/02/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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To those asking for a shorter condensed version...do I post that as a reply on this thread? I'll be more then happy to do this, I was just trying to be through. I understand the need for saving time though. In fact, at work, on break right now. Will post summarized version when I get off work tonight.
Thanks and much love, Tiff
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: SiberianSun]
#23405622 - 07/02/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, just post a reply.
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: healing]
#23406495 - 07/03/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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"-I am 27 years old and in relatively good health. I suffer from psoriasis and asthma, neither of which slow me down much. I do smoke cigs, which I know is not good for me. "
Perhaps the mushrooms are pulling attention to the damage the cigarettes are doing. I agree with a post above, that you should take a small dose like 1 gram or less and see if the symptoms occur. I am also 27 years old and I cannot do the same things I used to do as a teenager. I used to smoke a lot more marijuana, now if I smoke the same amount I get an anxiety attack because my chest tightens up and I feel like I can't breathe. I haven't had this problem with mushrooms however. I do grow my own mushrooms but your issue may not be related to the quality of the mushrooms.
We change a lot as we age, mentally and physically, so you may just need to find out what dose works for the new you.
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Shorter version of OP (TL/dr) [Re: healing]
#23406770 - 07/03/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So heres the short version. Sorry to those of you who thought my original post was too long.
Summary: I'm a pretty experienced user of psychedelics and my trips have been very positive in general. Recently I've been having a lot of physical discomfort on my shroom trips. They start out great, but a few hours in I start getting blurred vision, jaw tension, and it feels like the air is being sucked out of me...also throats tight, muscle spasms, pins and needless sensations, sinus congestion,chest pain/palpatations,and hyperventilation . I try to stay calm but honestly it scares the shit out of me every time.
I've always enjoyed intense trips and never 'freaked out' or anything...and I wish I believed thats all this was, but it feels physical. The anxiety comes from discomfort, not from the trips intensity. I wanna believe its just a panic attack, but how can I be sure when it feels so damn real?
Is this an allergic response or seizure of some kind?Vasoconstriction? Or is it really just a panic attack? I never had them before and never knew they would effect one in such a physical way. Wtf...this really sucks. Ruins the trip if nothing more. I'm not giving up though.
Anyone else had similiar experiences? What might I do to stop this? Any suggestions? Please help... I love mushies and certainly feel I have much more to learn from them. Thanks again for any input, tips or advice.
Much love, Tiff
Edited by SiberianSun (07/03/16 01:25 PM)
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Re: Shorter version of OP (TL/dr) [Re: SiberianSun]
#23407530 - 07/03/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It IS physical, and maybe you're more susceptible than most: google "psilocybin vasoconstriction" A reduction in blood flow.
Maybe try some of the remedies suggested, such as niacin.
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Re: Shorter version of OP (TL/dr) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23407651 - 07/03/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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totally panic attack, there is like 200 anxiety symptoms and alot of them are physical and its different for alot of people.
the shrooms is talking to you, it means you have demons, learn from it, accept it, evolve from it
my anxiety disorder started like that, first panic attack on shrooms 2 yrs ago, biggest dose i ever did, coming back from OBE, i was sure i was gone crazy and that i was gonna be stuck forever was about to call 911 lol but didnt cause i had pounds of shrooms, finally went through it. had DP for a couple days afterward.
after I continued tripping every 2-3 weekend abusing DMT a bit too ,and smoking weed everyday and do benzos here and there and coke and ket and some RCs, but never shrooms again, put an X on that episode and just tried to forget it. havent changed anything and didnt listen the trip.after that i had constant reocurring anxiety episode always related to my personal health while tripping but not as bad as the first one who was a full blown panic attack.
i didnt dealt with it and one day i woke up 4 months ago and my biggest fear was there. a switch had turn on in my brain for no reason. i was convince i was skizo/epileptic/crazy or something. but in reality it was depersonalisation. i had panic attack everyday for 2 weeks while sober i think there was some W/D involved too, couldnt even get in a car. just the speed of it made me feel like dying, it was horrible, same in a grocery store. blurry vision,hyper ventilation,fucked up stomach just feel like dying, convinced of iminant doom. the shroom had showed me my future but i hadnt listen,
I made changes, i was sick, i used to be a traveller and adventurer and for 5 years drugs made me feared everything i loved made me an isolated pathetic person , quitting weed was the best thing i did,as it was the very source of my anxiety. after that it was a long path of acceptation of myself (still working on it after 4 months) and what i am and accept life as it is. and face my fear as there was no way out anymore
now i have little to zero anxiety, i made peace with myself, proly the biggest lesson of my life. i wish i listened before tho but im ok with it
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Edited by Jean-guy Masta (07/03/16 04:37 PM)
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: SiberianSun]
#23407701 - 07/03/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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My recommendation is based upon the allergies (asthma) and psoriasis, and the personality inclination to worry or stress about things that are out of your control.
attend to your body - specifically begin to make and enjoy eating bone broth. really, this is an incredibly healthy and amazing food of the Paleo sort of diet. your psychedelic self will thank you after just one week of 8 oz. bone broth per day.
you could lose the cigs too. your psychedelic self is not too impressed with those, but she understands.
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Re: Same reoccur ing issues every shroom trip... ): [Re: redgreenvines]
#23411540 - 07/04/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks so much to everyone for your replies. I am battling the flu right now, so trying to get some much needed R and R ...I was given a script for prednisone cus my psoriasis broke out pretty bad, which suppresses your immune system, which gave me the cold from hell =(
I will try out the bone broth for sure. I will google the term, and start adding this to my diet based upon your recommendation. Last year I changed my diet (generally just started eating healthier) dropped 20 pounds, now I'm down to my high school weight (130ish/5"7 ht) and feeling much better. I didn't realize certain foods could help with psoriasis, asthma AND anxiety. And if my pyschedelic self approves I'm all for it =)
Thanks again, Much Love Tiff
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