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Amrita of Islam?
    #23402823 - 07/02/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

In the Hindu religion there is a God named "Soma" which is believed to be a Plant. There is debate about which Plant Soma was. Some people believe Soma was an Amanita Muscaria Mushroom. Others think Psilocybin Mushrooms. Others think Marijuana.

I, myself, believe that Soma is all Entheogens.

Soma is also called "Amrita".

This word, "Amrita" is found in other religions. In Buddhism the word for Amrita is "Amata". In the Greek religion, "Ambrosia". In the Sikh religion, "Amrit". The Zoroastrians call Soma "Haoma".

Would anyone know if there is a word derived from Amrita or Soma in the Islamic religion?  I've seen evidence of Them in the Quran.

The meaning of the word is "Immortality" or "Deathless".

I thought maybe Sufis would have some idea but I haven't found a forum for them.


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: endogenous]
    #23402932 - 07/02/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm this is interesting, i got a close sufi friend i'll be visiting soon, he might know.

And the word is khaled i think, it means immortal/eternal.

I've read the Quran once cus i understand Arabic, it was enlightening honestly, I've recently also played it while tripping, it was super spiritual how the mushrooms reacted to each word.

You should also read Thoth's emerald tablets, its mind blowing how related it is to all the religions... And guess what, Thoth is also said to be immortal, and is a free spirit, and can re-incarnate himself, he's also the keeper of knowledge and the secrets of the universe.

Also i forgot to mention that the Quran also mentions someone like that, but he is called Khidr ((read this) he is also immortal, and his name means the green man (hint the emerald tablets), i can go on and on, but it would just be too long, i'd rather talk to you about this in person than typing it all down :lmafo:


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23405977 - 07/03/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for that.

It is difficult to reach me.

It does seem that interpreters of the Quran (Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 249) say that the verses 18:60-82 of the Quran are about "Al-Khadir".

In the Hindu religion, Khadir seems to be the gate-keeper to Amrita (the Water of Life).

In the Quran, Khadir is found at the spot where a dead fish fell into the Water and came to Life - although he isn't mentioned by name in the Quran.

I wonder if there are more writings somewhere that talk about this. It certainly is a link between Islam, Hindu, and Soma/Amrita. Maybe there is something similar to the Gnostic writings of the Muslim religion.


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: endogenous]
    #23406138 - 07/03/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you must checkout the work of Mike Crowley. He is very into this! he reveals that the 'god' Indra was a personification of the amanita muscaria mushroom, and Krishna was a kind of new 'revolution' (which in their myth Indra rages against), because Krishna is a personification of the psilocybin mushrooms!


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: zzripz]
    #23406245 - 07/03/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I really recommend reading Thoths tablets guys, it really enlightened me and made me see things i have never before, the amount of knowledge in there is so complex yet simple, that every time i re-read it, something new is revealed to me.

And OP also, i think there are some parts in the quran were al-khidr is named in a different name, like the story of when Moses was guided by someone called (Bani qarnain, "son of the two horns") but it could be talking about Thoth since he is an Egyptian deity of knowledge and wisdom.

It was also depicted in one of the hieroglyphs in a temple where a certain deity (forgot his name) beside Thoth, and they were making humans out of clay, and breathing the soul into them.

This is also found in the Quran and explained in detail LOL, man all the religions of the world are somewhat connected to the Sumerian/Egyptian beliefs, even though its a bit hidden and certain things are changed, but they're still the same, you just have to read between the lines :lmafo:


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23412656 - 07/05/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

According to an article on wikipedia, "Ahmadiyya identifies al-Khiḍr to be the symbolic representation of Muhammad himself." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr#Quranic_narrative And, "Ahmadiyya is an Islamic religious movement founded in Punjab, British India, near the end of the 19th century."
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: endogenous]
    #23412684 - 07/05/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Could be... because Al-khidr is known to appear through different times when needed, i think its written he has power of re-incarnation where he can choose which form to be in.

It's said that he is now re-incarnated as a "plant", this is why sufis smoke marijuana cus they think that its the plant he chose to be, so by ingesting it, they can attain certain knowledge/spirituality and stuff (he could be re-incarnated as magic mushrooms also, well that's what i think).

Not totally sure though.


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23415767 - 07/06/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

"In India, the Prophet, Saint, or Deity known as Khwaja Khizr (Khadir), Pir Badar, or Raja Kidar, is the object of a still surviving popular cult, common to Muslims and Hindus. His principal shrine is on the Indus near Bakhar, where he is worshipped by devotees of both persuasions; the cult is however hardly less widely diffused in Bihar and Bengal. In the Hindu cult, the Khwaja is worshipped with lights and by feeding Brahmans at a well, and alike in Hindu and Muslim practice, by setting afloat in a pond or river a little boat which bears a lighted lamp. Iconographically Khwaja Khizr is represented as an aged man, having the aspect of a faqir, clothed entirely in green[1] and moving in the waters with a 'fish' as his vehicle." -- http://khidr.org/khwaja-khadir.htm


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: endogenous]
    #23417125 - 07/06/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This is revealing~~

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I'm a Muslim and I Drink Ayahuasca

The place of drugs in Islam is much more complicated than most people recognise. Because the Qur’an only speaks specifically of wine, Muslims have had to figure out Islamic positions on other substances. The absence of a Qur’anic verse or authentic statement from the Prophet on weed, for example, allowed for a number of possibilities. Some thinkers used qiyas (analogical reasoning) to make a ruling on weed derived from rulings on alcohol: If wine is intoxicating and forbidden in the Qur’an, then all intoxicants belong in the category of wine. Because wine is haram (prohibited), then so must be hashish (which, lacking our modern distinctions, included pot).




NO MENTION of psychedelics? Same is so in Hindu mythic writings--there are no terms for 'mushrooms'! BIG clue

Also notice that this author's psychedelic experience doesn't yet inspire him to critically doubt his very belief system. This is why psychedelic experience alone is not often enough. We have to respect our own power of critical thinking and intuition and insight


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: zzripz]
    #23418547 - 07/06/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Amrita is a byproduct of Kundalini energy flowing, a condensation of kundalini, that forms from the pineal and pituitary glands in your head... When released it flows through that bodies nerve pathways enlivening all the cells and organs of the body, increasing the overall vitality of the person this process is occurring in...

The nectar of immortality isn't outside of you, it's all within you... Just have to have the right dose of stillness and inner silence for this process to kickstart.


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: roboto212]
    #23422102 - 07/08/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They are outside and inside.

But it is well known that Amrita/Soma is/was a Plant. Actually, it might be that Soma was the Plant and Amrita was the Extract.

These days it is possible to see that the DMT in the Acacia bark, whose wood made up all the furnishings of the "Trysting Tent", (where the Hebrews would go to meet with God), is the same DMT that is produced by the pineal gland.


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: endogenous]
    #23422445 - 07/08/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As of June 2010, there is currently no scientific evidence that the pineal gland produces DMT, much less any evidence for the more far-out speculations that Strassman makes about DMT being a chemical modulator of the human soul.




This is a great overview of how the factoid was birthed that 'DMT is produced from the pineal gland'(which is where quote comes from). IF there is any evidence now in 2016 that it is, then publish here

DMT and the Pineal:Fact or Fiction?


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: zzripz]
    #23425417 - 07/09/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Whether DMT and 5MeO-DMT and others, are produced by the pineal gland or not -- They are definitely PRESENT in the human body so something is producing Them. That it might be the pineal gland is interesting because the pineal gland is located in the area straight back from the "third eye". I would think that the pineal gland does produce Them but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that other glands are capable as well.

Of course, a high concentration of indoles is found in the intestines, and it is well known that Psilocybin mushrooms make Their home in (vegetarian) cow dung.


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: zzripz]
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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: endogenous]
    #23425652 - 07/09/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Whether DMT and 5MeO-DMT and others, are produced by the pineal gland or not -- They are definitely PRESENT in the human body so something is producing Them. That it might be the pineal gland is interesting because the pineal gland is located in the area straight back from the "third eye". I would think that the pineal gland does produce Them but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that other glands are capable as well.

Of course, a high concentration of indoles is found in the intestines, and it is well known that Psilocybin mushrooms make Their home in (vegetarian) cow dung.




please present your evidence that DMT is present in the human body?


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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: zzripz]
    #23427123 - 07/09/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

https://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=3146 :

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As of January 2013, this question of whether DMT is produced in the brain does not have a simple yes or no answer. It has not yet been conclusively demonstrated that DMT is produced in the living human brain, but there are strong reasons to believe that it might be, as well as technical issues that make the theory difficult to verify.

The presence of DMT in human blood and urine has been conclusively reported in a number of papers (Riceberg and van Vunakis, 1978). For many years, its presence in urine was tied to people with schizophrenia and psychosis (Jacobs and Presti, 2005). There is no question that DMT is naturally produced in the human body.

The enzymes necessary to produce DMT from tryptamine and serotonin--N-methyltransferase (NMT) and indolethylamine N-methyltransferase (INMT)--as well as the mRNA necessary to produce the enzymes have been shown to exist in human tissues outside the brain. While found in the spinal cord, these were not identified in the brain itself (Thompson et al., 1999). However, it remains quite possible that they are present in areas of the brain other than those studied by Thompson et al., or that they are present in amounts too small to have been detected, or that the necessary genes are only expressed (and the mRNA produced) under certain conditions.

In one key study looking at this issue from 1971, Mandell and Morgan flooded extracted brain tissue with tryptamine in vitro (in petri dishes) and measured the DMT that was produced. However, they did not show that this actually happens in living tissue with normal amounts of tryptophan.

DMT is so readily broken down by the MAO enzyme that one researcher, Nicholas Cozzi, co-author of a 2009 paper on the topic published in Science, speculates that the problem might simply be one of detection: "DMT itself is so fleeting, that it seems one might have to take 'heroic' measures such as obtaining fresh brain tissue from a patient on MAO inhibitors or freezing brain tissue immediately upon collection to prevent the disappearance of any DMT. We know that DMT can be detected in rat brain tissue from animals pretreated with an MAO inhibitor (this was elegantly demonstrated in the Saavedra/Axelrod work), but as far as I know, this hasn't been done with human tissue." (Cozzi, personal communication, 2010)

Cozzi et al. published a poster in 2011 demonstrating that small primate (Rhesus macaque) brain tissue (including pineal gland) has the correct enzymes to create DMT but did not directly measure DMT in those tissues.

While it has been established that DMT is produced in the human body, it is not yet possible to say definitively that it is produced in the human brain. With some conflicting evidence, signs point to DMT being produced in the brain in small quantities at a limited number of (as yet unidentified) sites.

To answer the second part of your question, taking an MAOI and eating a candy bar will not have effects similar to smoking DMT or taking ayahuasca. Many people have been prescribed long-acting, very powerful MAOIs and have not reported that kind of effect.

- earth

For a discussion of whether DMT is specifically formed in the human pineal gland, see DMT and the Pineal: Fact or Fiction? (Hanna, 2010).

Selected quotes from related papers:

"DMT can be produced by enzymes in mammalian lung (11) and in rodent brain (12). DMT has been found in human urine, blood, and cerebrospinal fluid (9, 13). Although there are no conclusive quantitative studies measuring the abundance of endogenous DMT because of its rapid metabolism (14), DMT concentrations can be localized and elevated in certain instances. Evidence suggests that DMT can be locally sequestered into brain neurotransmitter storage vesicles and that DMT production increases in rodent brain under environmental stress (8)." (Fontanilla et al., 2009)

In a review article that summarizes the results of previous research evidence for endogenous production of DMT (and other hallucinogens) in humans, Rosengarten and Friedhoff report that enzymes necessary to produce DMT have clearly been shown to be present in living tissue, "Tryptamine, or NMT, can be enzymatically converted to DMT by a SAM-dependent enzyme or enzymes shown to be highly active in lung or adrenal, particularly of the rabbit. This enzyme system can be demonstrated in brain, but its activity is very low. Similar findings have been made with regard to the formation of bufotenine from serotonin." (Rosengarten and Friedhoff, 1976)

"We have recently demonstrated the presence of this enzyme in the brain of rat, with the highest specific activity in the brain stem and the lowest in cortical areas. In addition, we have evidence of the presence of this enzyme in infant parietal and adult frontal cortical tissue taken incidentally from man during neurosurgical procedures." (Morgan and Mandell, 1969)

"More controversial is the presence of DMT in brain. Some researchers posit that the synthesis of DMT in brain is not physiologically significant (Thompson et al., 1999; however, consider the arguments of Jones, 1983; Reader et al., 1988). Other researchers propose that DMT levels increase in the mammalian brain during stress, whereupon DMT may act as an endogenous anxiolytic (for discussion, see Jacob and Presti, 2005)." (Burchett, 2006)

"The potent hallucinogenic effects of pure DMT in humans were first reported by Szara [7] in 1956. Then, in 1965, DMT, tryptamine and 5-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (bufotenine) were reported as normal constituents of human urine and blood [8] [...] We have reviewed the current research on INMT and AADC activity, illustrating that their participation in DMT biosynthesis is biochemically very reasonable. We have also proposed a major role for DMT in the trace amine system. This proposal offers a neurochemical explanation for heretofore ill-understood aspects of DMT pharmacology, especially at low doses. Our proposed scenario also includes the hypothesis that increased DMT or tryptamine production could suppress psychotic activity, rather than aggravate it." (Jacob and Presti, 2005)

References #

    Burchett SA, Hicks TP. "The mysterious trace amines: protean neuromodulators of synaptic transmission in mammalian brain." Prog Neurobiol. Aug 29, 2006;79(5-6):223-46. [Abstract]
    Cozzi N. Personal communication. August 2010.
    Fontanilla D, Johannessen M, Hajipour AR, Cozzi NV, et al. "The Hallucinogen N,N-Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) Is an Endogenous Sigma-1 Receptor Regulator." Science. Feb 2009;323(5916):934-7. [Abstract]
    Jacob MS, Presti DE. "Endogenous psychoactive tryptamines reconsidered: an anxiolytic role for dimethyltryptamine." Med Hypotheses. 2005;64(5):930-7. [Abstract]
    Mandell AJ, Morgan M. "Indoleethylamine N-methyltransferase in human brain." Nat New Biol. Mar 4, 1971;230(11):85-7. [Abstract]
    Morgan M, Mandell AJ. "Indole(ethyl)amine N-methyltransferase in the brain." Science. Aug 1, 1969;165(892):492-3. [Abstract]
    Riceberg LJ, Vunakis HV. "Determination of N,N-dimethylindolealkylamines in plasma, blood and urine extracts by radioimmunoassay and high pressure liquid chromatography." J Pharmacol Exp Ther. Jul 1, 1978;206(1):158-66. [Abstract]
    Rosengarten H, Friedhoff AJ. "A review of recent studies of the biosynthesis and excretion of hallucinogens formed by methylation of neurotransmitters or related substances." Schizophr Bull. 1976;2(1):90-105. [Abstract]
    Saavedra JM, Axelrod J. "Psychotomimetic N-methylated tryptamines: formation in brain in vivo and in vitro." Science. Mar 24, 1972;175(28):1365-6. [Abstract]
    Thompson MA, Moon E, Kim UJ, Xu J, et al. "Human indolethylamine N-methyltransferase: cDNA cloning and expression, gene cloning, and chromosomal localization." Genomics. Nov 14, 1999;61(3):285-97. [Abstract]
    Cozzi NV, Mavlyutov TA, Thompson MA, Ruoho AE. "Indolethylamine N-methyltransferase expression in primate nervous tissue" Soc. Neurosci.. 2011;37:840.19.




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Re: Amrita of Islam? [Re: endogenous]
    #23429107 - 07/10/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Very interesting! Thanks


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