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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #23401053 - 07/01/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

aw. i see : )


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #23401242 - 07/01/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

hmm I think your just selfish and arrogant. You claim to be this mighty "reaseacher" full of knowledge like your above everyone. Most conservative are like that... stubborn, cant change, wont accept the future... or reality.

Selfish to think that you are so fucking important that you that people dont deserve you taxes. Socialism is one of the many things you still have worked out yet because your country is still a little child having a tantrum and refusing to grow up like the rest of the world. Always thinking about yourself... how utterly selfish. Not sparing a thought for other... how very un christian of you. Some people are born into poverty, some people just become homeless overnight. Lots of bad shit happens to good people. Sometimes people need socialism to get back on their feet. Or just for every day living such as free healthcare... Because when I was injured and had to take time off work... your bloody glad the government can pitch in and help you instead of becoming homeless.

Maybe you should discuss kindness and sharing with your magical sky fairy one day. And maybe research other countries and how well they do compared to murica, in basically every category.

Also your constitution is also outdated just like the church its horribly irrelevant in 2016. Its like you just cant help yourself trying to cover up your countries flaws.


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23401504 - 07/01/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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hmm I think your just selfish and arrogant. You claim to be this mighty "reaseacher" full of knowledge like your above everyone. Most conservative are like that... stubborn, cant change, wont accept the future... or reality.

Selfish to think that you are so fucking important that you that people dont deserve you taxes. Socialism is one of the many things you still have worked out yet because your country is still a little child having a tantrum and refusing to grow up like the rest of the world. Always thinking about yourself... how utterly selfish. Not sparing a thought for other... how very un christian of you. Some people are born into poverty, some people just become homeless overnight. Lots of bad shit happens to good people. Sometimes people need socialism to get back on their feet. Or just for every day living such as free healthcare... Because when I was injured and had to take time off work... your bloody glad the government can pitch in and help you instead of becoming homeless.

Maybe you should discuss kindness and sharing with your magical sky fairy one day. And maybe research other countries and how well they do compared to murica, in basically every category.

Also your constitution is also outdated just like the church its horribly irrelevant in 2016. Its like you just cant help yourself trying to cover up your countries flaws.





Some folks are indviduals, some are hive minded, surely the world is big enough for all?


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23401573 - 07/01/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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kakashi68 said:
hmm I think your just selfish and arrogant. You claim to be this mighty "reaseacher" full of knowledge like your above everyone. Most conservative are like that... stubborn, cant change, wont accept the future... or reality.

Selfish to think that you are so fucking important that you that people dont deserve you taxes. Socialism is one of the many things you still have worked out yet because your country is still a little child having a tantrum and refusing to grow up like the rest of the world. Always thinking about yourself... how utterly selfish. Not sparing a thought for other... how very un christian of you. Some people are born into poverty, some people just become homeless overnight. Lots of bad shit happens to good people. Sometimes people need socialism to get back on their feet. Or just for every day living such as free healthcare... Because when I was injured and had to take time off work... your bloody glad the government can pitch in and help you instead of becoming homeless.

Maybe you should discuss kindness and sharing with your magical sky fairy one day. And maybe research other countries and how well they do compared to murica, in basically every category.

Also your constitution is also outdated just like the church its horribly irrelevant in 2016. Its like you just cant help yourself trying to cover up your countries flaws.





Some folks are indviduals, some are hive minded, surely the world is big enough for all?




Sure you can believe what ever you want... but thats not how society works. Society best functions when you dont have a corrupt governement and everybody puts in their fair share... so when you are having the worst moments of you life, all that money you put in and everyone else will help you.


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23402259 - 07/01/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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hmm I think your just selfish and arrogant. You claim to be this mighty "reaseacher" full of knowledge like your above everyone. Most conservative are like that... stubborn, cant change, wont accept the future... or reality.

Selfish to think that you are so fucking important that you that people dont deserve you taxes. Socialism is one of the many things you still have worked out yet because your country is still a little child having a tantrum and refusing to grow up like the rest of the world. Always thinking about yourself... how utterly selfish. Not sparing a thought for other... how very un christian of you. Some people are born into poverty, some people just become homeless overnight. Lots of bad shit happens to good people. Sometimes people need socialism to get back on their feet. Or just for every day living such as free healthcare... Because when I was injured and had to take time off work... your bloody glad the government can pitch in and help you instead of becoming homeless.

Maybe you should discuss kindness and sharing with your magical sky fairy one day. And maybe research other countries and how well they do compared to murica, in basically every category.

Also your constitution is also outdated just like the church its horribly irrelevant in 2016. Its like you just cant help yourself trying to cover up your countries flaws.




Hi kakashi68, welcome back to the shroomery! We have missed you, you are a valued member. Thank you for your time. Kakashi, it's important to remember that the United States is set up under a different type of Government than Australia. I can understand where the confusion may come from and how many from around that part of the world might not understand. When researching the United States you will come to find that it is listed as a Constitutional republic. To start with let's dive into what a "Republic" is.

A Republic is defined as the following:

a (1) :  a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) :  a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government

b (1) :  a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) :  a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government


2
:  a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters>

3
:  a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, or Yugoslavia


As you can see these definition are all important towards what a republic is and has been. Now that we have the basic definition of a republic and what it is, we can dig deeper. Let's look at "Constitutional". It's important that we under stand what the word Constitutional means. It is defined as the following:

1
:  relating to, inherent in, or affecting the constitution of body or mind

2
:  of, relating to, or entering into the fundamental makeup of something :  essential

3
:  being in accordance with or authorized by the constitution of a state or society <a constitutional government>

4
:  regulated by or ruling according to a constitution <a constitutional monarchy>

5
:  of or relating to a constitution <a constitutional crisis>

6
:  loyal to or supporting an established constitution or form of government



Now that we understand the two word's and their definitions it's time to move on. When we search more we find Governmental definitions. A Governmental definition will cover "Constitutional republic" and define it. After we search carefully we find a definition. Different websites around the world commonly define a Constitutional republic as the following:

A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States. However, in recent years, many people have criticized the federal government for moving away from a Constitutional Republic, as defined by the Constitution, and towards a pure democracy.[1]

It is controlled by Law, at least by its Constitution;
It recognizes the private independent sovereign nature of each man or woman of competent age and capacity; recognizing those people as the collective source of all authority in government [including but not limited to: the government’s claim to sovereignty; (which is actually the limited authority to administrate a small portion of said peoples’ collective sovereign authority); and,
Regarding that individual sovereignty the government must therefore be representative in its nature.
Therefore, if a government can create or control its Law, obviously, Law does not control that government; such a government is not a Republic.  A Republic must recognize that Law is unchangeable, or at least that it can only be changed by a higher source than government; this limitation does not limit the government from generating statutes in accord with both said laws and the Constitution; through which instrument, all of the authority the government can acquire from the people is acquired.


“A Constitutional Republic” is a government created and controlled, at least, by the Law of a Constitution.  The Constitution of the United States of America was, in Law, foundationally based on the Bible, the Magna Carta, the principles of The Declaration of Independence and upon the experience of the people.  Those documents recognize the divine nature of man’s creation, man’s sovereignty and man’s divine right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.

Time to move on! We are making great progress here Kakashi! Thank you once again for your undivided attention. The ability to teach those who are not informed is a considered by some to be a gift from God. Let's start with national religion. Let's dig in!

This was pulled from a source of the internet. I feel for you Kakashi you will appreciate this like a "fine wine" sort of to speak rather than having me explain it in my own words:

The United States federal government was the first national government to have no official state-endorsed religion.[11] However, some states had established religions in some form until the 1830s.

Modeling the provisions concerning religion within the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, the framers of the Constitution rejected any religious test for office, and the First Amendment specifically denied the federal government any power to enact any law respecting either an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise, thus protecting any religious organization, institution, or denomination from government interference. The decision was mainly influenced by European Rationalist and Protestant ideals, but was also a consequence of the pragmatic concerns of minority religious groups and small states that did not want to be under the power or influence of a national religion that did not represent them.[12]


Now that we have a understanding of religion and how it work's in the United States let's look at population and religion. This also is a excerpt also pulled from a internet source:

In 1963, 90% of Americans claimed to be Christians while only 2% professed no religious identity.[10] In 2014, the percentage of Christians was closer to 70% with close to 23% claiming no religious identity.

Now that we have that understanding of Christianity in the USA I will address your comment on socialism. Most Christians here (in my circle of people I have lived with and been around growing up and such over the years + close friends actually believe that Socialism is man trying to meet his own need's with out God. We call that the system of Babylon. We actually see it as of being unGodly and evil. This is not meant to spark offense towards you.

I greatly value the fruit of my own labor.

Kakashi you have been great to work with today and I hope you enjoyed the read. Just to clarify no one here is trying to remove property and trade taxation's my only argument has been to remove of the income tax. Many American's here love their freedom, being treated like grown up responsible adults, being able to do what they want when they want, they love freedom. If you think about it a little bit adults have more freedom than children. I'm not trying to say your Government or any other's are treating their subjects/people like children. I'm not worried about other nations. I think their great. What I am saying is the United States treat's their people like grown adults. I do know that money from income tax is used on welfare, college, defense, transportation and other things in lesser amounts if I remember correctly. It is possible that money from other sources go to welfare other than just income tax. I hope that may help you settle more.

Have a great day Kakasi.

sources:

http://www.governmentvs.com/en/constitutional-republic-definition/model-47-11
http://www.conservapedia.com/Constitutional_Republic
http://www.teamlaw.net/ConstitutionalRepublic.htm
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/constitutional-republic/
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/constitutional
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Freedom_of_religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:United_States

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #23402343 - 07/01/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I see nothing there to justify not paying tax. I do see why I am super happy to live in a country not defined by subservience to YHWH.

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23402358 - 07/01/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

My response to kakashi was not to justify not paying a income tax. It was to explain some fundamental's of the United States so he can compare and contrast the USA & Australia. It was a response to his post in hopes of helping him understand where I'm coming from.

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #23402367 - 07/01/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

How much meth do you smoke?


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: twighead]
    #23402378 - 07/01/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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How much meth do you smoke?




I know my status may say "tweaking". I will change that. I have never used meth before. Currently the only substance in my life that I use would be Kratom and Alcohol. Kratom more often than alcohol. Alcohol is not a occurrence that happens often. Thank you for you question.

P.S. I thought tweaking was a comedic status. Also to express exertion of energy.

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #23402385 - 07/01/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, can't believe you wasted that much time responding to him.

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23402407 - 07/01/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's understood by me that your response is towards kakashi but I would like to recap on a post by Kakashi to help every one understand where I'm coming from and why my previous lengthy response is as it was.

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kakashi68 said:
ooo spew those lies, spew those horrible disturbingly wrong lies onto your shitty flag.

unregulated drugs is just stupid.....

Guns should be heavily regulated

Americans need to be heavily regulated UNTIL IT LEARNS TO GROW THE FUCK AND STOP BEING A SELFISH CHILD

YOU DONT DESERVE FREEDOM, YOUR FUCKED UP COUNTRY NEED RULES, BOUNDARIES, DISCIPLINE.

Freedom is for nations who are respectful, think others, not having a totally corrupt government. Freedom is for countries who support each other at the basic level by providing universal healthcare so its not your credit card that decides your treatment.

You dont deserve freedom til your country grows up and takes responsibility for its actions.




Since my previous responses towards him have been hostile after his post here, I'm trying to be as courteous as possible.

Edited by Dr.Wongburger (07/01/16 09:36 PM)

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #23402408 - 07/01/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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twighead said:
How much meth do you smoke?




I know my status may say "tweaking". I will change that. I have never used meth before. Currently the only substance in my life that I use would be Kratom and Alcohol. Kratom more often than alcohol. Alcohol is not a occurrence that happens often. Thank you for you question.

P.S. I thought tweaking was a comedic status. Also to express exertion of energy.



I didn't even see that, I just thought that was an absurd amount of effort to expend on someone who so insularly resides in his own anus as Kakashi :lol:


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Sticky Green]
    #23402421 - 07/01/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, can't believe you wasted that much time responding to him.




I understand it seem's large but if you re read the post you will see that definitions are from external sources (internet).

If you check out how much I typed up it really was not that much.

For example something like scribe jobs are very popular online, it's even more simple when the information is coming from your self.

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: twighead]
    #23402428 - 07/01/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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twighead said:
How much meth do you smoke?




I know my status may say "tweaking". I will change that. I have never used meth before. Currently the only substance in my life that I use would be Kratom and Alcohol. Kratom more often than alcohol. Alcohol is not a occurrence that happens often. Thank you for you question.

P.S. I thought tweaking was a comedic status. Also to express exertion of energy.



I didn't even see that, I just thought that was an absurd amount of effort to expend on someone who so insularly resides in his own anus as Kakashi :lol:




It's alright. I really do enjoy this! It's why I'm here. I worked all day, came home. Used some kratom, vaped and now I'm just chillin on the shroomery. Not much new entertainment on youtube for me lately. I may check out some more DigitalRev. I find them very entertaining. Check em out if you like video cameras.

Tomorrow night I shall go out to hang out with friends as I did last night but sometimes it's just nice to sit at home and do nothing :grin:

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #23402591 - 07/01/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't read the thread to see any other entries.

 


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Astral Pain]
    #23402631 - 07/01/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Terrible that some one would put a gun to their head like that haha.

Makes me cringe when I see lack of common sense mixed with guns.

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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Astral Pain]
    #23402698 - 07/01/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't read the thread to see any other entries.

 



It's funny any side would claim superiority over the other :lolsy:

For every retardation of the democrats there is something equally damning for the repubs

Namely the mother fucking drug war...

oooooh but I thought republicans were all about small government and personal rights? :lolsy:


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: twighead]
    #23402741 - 07/01/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You cant run a country without income tax... it just doesnt work... Yes tax brackets are often fucked and rich need to be taxed more... but you cant just expect to run a country with barely any tax revenue.

You obviously dont understand how countries or economies even work on a basic level.

"treats there citizens like adults" dont make me laugh. Your high school is about two years lower in difficulty to ours. Look at you, believing in fake sky fairies and not even know how an economy works.


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: Astral Pain]
    #23403227 - 07/02/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't read the thread to see any other entries.

 




Pretty sure this is why Australia banned guns, too many of their voters wanted to see where the rabbit hole leads


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Re: Why don't we have a "libtard" smiley? [Re: kakashi68]
    #23403701 - 07/02/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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You cant run a country without income tax... it just doesnt work... Yes tax brackets are often fucked and rich need to be taxed more... but you cant just expect to run a country with barely any tax revenue.

You obviously dont understand how countries or economies even work on a basic level.

"treats there citizens like adults" dont make me laugh. Your high school is about two years lower in difficulty to ours. Look at you, believing in fake sky fairies and not even know how an economy works.




Hi Kakashi and thank you for your response. I did forget to cover education in the USA. It's a lesson for another time. However I will briefly tell you we have Public schools or citizens can choose to put their loved ones into private schools. We have the choice of education here and are not restricted towards Government provided education. In other words we can go above and beyond or stay at standard. In most scenarios however "above and beyond" usually falls under the category of private education. 

I do believe when you said "Your high school is about two years lower in difficulty than* ours" that you were referencing to Government standards right?

I suggest you look up the popularity of private education here in the United States. Private education can be but is not limited to homeschooling, there are also actual schools built for parents or guardians to bring their young ones to attend, just like how public school's are build but these ones are private and usually more wealthy and empowered.

In the state of Florida for example we have 13 year's of education. Which I find really unnecessary and stupid on a personal level. Education in private school's or threw teachers in homeschooling with 12 year's is more than enough. However that is my opinion on the subject just like your opinion that 2 more year's makes a significance difference in the educational process regardless of how the process is brought about- quality of the education, standards which might or might not matter and quality of the under age persons life which may change who they are in the future.

I personally believe time efficiency is important to get those young people up and started in life and if a high quality education can be brought about not only higher quality but in a shorter amount of time, then so be it.

Honestly I'm not for public education, if I ever have children I will be putting them into private schooling. Not saying the public education here is always worse but depending on where you live. Some times there is more of a population and less staff in public school's vs private. Other times the quality of education is really really good in public schooling. It all depends on location.

I happen to favor private education's regardless.


Now.. let me explain something.. the United States became a country in 1776 or 1783 depending on who you ask they might say something different, some consider the deceleration of independence when we became the Union.

Anyways keep in mind we were a country in 1776, the United States went until the July of 1862 with out a income tax. That my friend is 86 year's with out a income tax!  EIGHTY SIX! Your telling me no country has been able to stand with out a income tax? I'm telling you this one has!


You have to understand this is the only reasons we adopted a income tax originally :

In July 1862, during the American Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln and Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1862, creating the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacting a temporary income tax to pay war expenses.

The Revenue Act of 1862 was passed as an emergency and temporary war-time tax. It copied a relatively new British system of income taxation, instead of trade and property taxation. The first income tax was passed in 1862


In this nation we are supposed to have the rights to the fruits of our own labor. It was ONLY and ONLY originated originally because of serious war time that would of destroyed this place. It also does not make it right.

Did the south follow the legal means to separate from the Union? That's a matter of debate and a side of things generally not taught. If they did they should of allowed them to leave the Union there would of been no war and no income tax ever needed.

Please do not get me wrong. I think it's great we won the war. I think it's great we don't have slaves today and I would hate to be living in a world where the United states is split into two different nations.

However I am about rights and if they had the right to leave the Union then more power to em. I do believe in certain places they were expressing excessive military power- not of the Unions and declaring their own status of a state of authority which is not following the legal means. I may be wrong as said I have not studied this are extensively.

But like I said.. that's up for debate. I have not studied it in depth..


Now back to topic :

Income taxes evolved, but in 1894 the Supreme Court declared the Income Tax of 1894 unconstitutional in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.

No income tax for 19 years after that.

That's very important to understand. Think about the war that just happened. The devastation. Because the country was nearly destroyed is why they brought back the income tax they needed cash. Now day's we are stable. This entire time they should of been weening off of the income tax. It's wrong. It's theft.

Now lets look at this. We have a total of 105 year's of no Income tax.. yea. We don't need it. However the simple fact of the matter is it does not matter if we do need it!

Need or want is NOT the issue here. This is simple.

As a free American I'm supposed to have a right to my own life (that's why a draft here for military force has NEVER been justified) and I'm supposed to have a right to the fruits of my own labor!

If you take money out my paycheck and I did not give it to you it's theft! It does not matter if they found legal loop holes and created legal loop holes to commit theft legally. It's still theft.

-“A Constitutional Republic” is a government created and controlled, at least, by the Law of a Constitution.  The Constitution of the United States of America was, in Law, foundationally based on the Bible, the Magna Carta, the principles of The Declaration of Independence and upon the experience of the people.  Those documents recognize the divine nature of man’s creation, man’s sovereignty and man’s divine right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.-

In your country and culture maybe they do not consider taking something with out permission theft. I don't know. Maybe every one has signed a paper and agreed that if they want to live in Australia they will donate cash to the government.

You can paint the picture a certain, make it look pretty, make it look desirable and boast about the good's of it and how it's helping people.

The truth is tho THEFT is THEFT. If you take what's not yours with out permission that is theft. Income Tax in the United States is theft.

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