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blazejesus
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If souls are a thing, do you think there's a possibility that not all humans have souls? And what about animals?
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Come to think of it, I think there are some humans unaware of their soul, if it was a thing.
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Most animals and insects show the same desire of freewill, preference to not experience physical pain, and different emotional states just like humans. They also have muscles, blood and bones, skin, organs.....usually eyes, a mouth, nose, ears, etc. Some don't even have any of those things, and still exhibit an ability to sense what's going on around them, and to choose to go one direction over another. Many of them will protect their young to the death, and even show deep sadness when they lose a child or a friend they love, just like humans. Anyone who has worked in rescuing and rehabbing animals will tell you the same thing.
That's enough to convince me that they have a soul, but just chose different bodies to experience this big awesome game. A human who appears to be "soulless", or "heartless" (which are really just terms we use to describe their actions and attitude towards others), or cold and deceitful, still has a soul, it's just that somewhere along the lines during their life, they were taught out of, or forgot, that they don't have to be that way or act like that. Some people stay happy and compassionate towards others their whole life, some people are mean kids and stay mean their whole lives. Some start out mean and change to happy, some start out happy and change to mean. It all has to do with what belief systems you buy into during life.
....but people named Alfred Robinson aren't real souls, just projections sent as a test.
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blazejesus
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wakeINpeople said: Most animals and insects show the same desire of freewill, preference to not experience physical pain, and different emotional states just like humans. They also have muscles, blood and bones, skin, organs.....usually eyes, a mouth, nose, ears, etc. Some don't even have any of those things, and still exhibit an ability to sense what's going on around them, and to choose to go one direction over another. Many of them will protect their young to the death, and even show deep sadness when they lose a child or a friend they love, just like humans. Anyone who has worked in rescuing and rehabbing animals will tell you the same thing.
That's enough to convince me that they have a soul, but just chose different bodies to experience this big awesome game. A human who appears to be "soulless", or "heartless" (which are really just terms we use to describe their actions and attitude towards others), or cold and deceitful, still has a soul, it's just that somewhere along the lines during their life, they were taught out of, or forgot, that they don't have to be that way or act like that. Some people stay happy and compassionate towards others their whole life, some people are mean kids and stay mean their whole lives. Some start out mean and change to happy, some start out happy and change to mean. It all has to do with what belief systems you buy into during life.
....but people named Alfred Robinson aren't real souls, just projections sent as a test.
That's a good way to think it. You have a good brain man in interested in the shit you have to say. What do you think of plant life?
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One view:
Animals have group souls and have potential to evolve to the level we are at.
We are living multiple lives in places and time concurrently which all connect to your oversoul.
Once the lessons and experience are complete, one merges back into the Source.
The Grand Cycle
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Humans have an ego, and the ego has created the concept of immortality, AKA, the soul.
I doubt other creatures believe in a soul or that they will live for eternity.
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Snazz very interesting.
Yes we have souls.
We are angels, within God's soul.
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blazejesus said: That's a good way to think it. You have a good brain man in interested in the shit you have to say. What do you think of plant life?
Thanks, that means a lot!! Especially because lately I've been focusing on staying positive, and not paying attention to the negativity and trickery of Earth (which can be hard to do when your "awake"), which I let get to me for a long time, and really bum me out. Also, I like to inspire people to get healthy, creative, and to have fun. I wasn't doing that while down the rabbit hole worrying about shit. I feel much better now that I've let that stuff go. Plus, after my buddies in the sky have been so cool to me, I feel it's even more essential that I change for the better asap... Anyways, plants....
Well what can't you say about plants? They smell good and bad, they taste good and bad, they can heal and kill, and they provide endless food, shelter, and shade for countless insects, animals, and humans (especially clean, fat free fruits and veg for humans, which don't clog our arteries and cause heart attacks, unlike the other food source people think they NEED to eat). It's no "coincidence" that we have bodies designed to easily climb trees, hands with long fingers to pick the fruit, flat teeth to mash it up, and fingers to push a new seed into the ground. Humans are slow compared to most animals, we have no claws, and no sharp teeth, and raw warm bloody meat isn't too palatable, so we must use knowledge and intelligence to capture an animal which is faster than us and the knowledge of fire to cook it up. That little book that causes such a fuss nowadays never said "don't USE the tree of knowledge", it said "don't EAT from the tree of knowledge", for thou shall surely die. Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool people, than to convince them they've been fooled". Considering that quote.....once metaphors, parables, and analogies are used to speak truth, humans become play-doh for people who want to control. Anyway, that's a whole different sensitive subject for many people (even though it has to do with plants), so back to plants....
They come in hundreds of thousands of different mind-boggling designs and varieties, and many different brilliant colors. If you need a little more energy, eating certain ones will stimulate you, like coca or ephedra. If you injure yourself and are in pain, poppy sap can help numb it until you are better. If you feel like relaxing and mellowing out after a stressful situation, marijuana is the king. Concentrating these plants and abusing them has become common unfortunately. If you feel like really shifting your reality to a different plane, visiting other beings, or even need assistance breaking old habits, you have psychedelics in many different forms. You can even take the root bark of many plants and extract the DMT from it, which is the ultimate psychedelic trip in my opinion when smoked. So far people focus on mimosa and acacia, but I feel that there must be thousands of plants, if not more, which this is possible to do with. It seems highly unlikely that out of hundreds of thousands of plants, many of which haven't even been discovered or documented yet, that us humans just happened to find the 2 with the highest concentrations of DMT when extracted. Talk about finding a needle in a haystack!! The main reason those 2 are used in my opinion, is because they have been used as dyes in a few industries for a long time, and to get the dye you have to pull the roots, and chop them fine so you can get the most color the fastest from more surface area contact. This takes heavy machinery to do this on a large scale. Well this industry just happens to make it nice and convenient for people to access the DMT, without the industry having to go out of their way. I have a feeling many of the big trees they chop down for construction and building stuff, have plenty of DMT also, but that industry plays with big trees with huge root systems which the industry doesn't need, so they chainsaw the trees at the base, and leave the roots in the ground. There is no reason for them to pull the roots and grind them. Plus most people don't and won't go through the trouble of digging down and hacking roots of big random trees, then drying and chopping fine, just so they can MAYBE see if there is DMT in them. That would be a very tedious task for an unsure reward. So mimosa and acacia have become the norm because it's convenient. I bet you can take the average root of a tree and do an extract, and once this is discovered, if it's true, as I believe it is, the drug war and suppression of psychedelics would be absolutely over without question. It's heading that way anyway...
Plants are self aware to an extent, and this has been proven, but if you're asking me if plants have a soul that experiences fear, and feels physical, uncomfortable pain when they are cut down or eaten, I absolutely don't think they do. That notion is sometimes thrown at vegans to make them feel guilty, but I don't buy it.
To sum it up, plants are awesome!!!
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I agree on the dmt thing for sure. I know most grasses contain dmt, it's present in a lot of animals, honestly it's probably the most common psychedelic. It's everywhere.
The relationship between humans and plants needs to change drastically. I was going to get into growing cannabis, phalaris, and a few other plants this summer but life got in the way. I think I'd like to move somewhere where winter isn't so fucking brutal.
Plants are so interesting because they show that life will survive anywhere possible. Plants will fill in every crack and cover every fertile surface. We're turning the world into a place where plants cannot survive though
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blazejesus said: If souls are a thing, do you think there's a possibility that not all humans have souls? And what about animals?
Everything has a soul. The soul is the source that bring things to life. Our souls suppose to be forever flourishing that never dies. Like the eco system is the spirit of a soul that keep on producing or being useful. But then there will be souls that will live but doesn't produce; but being trap in minerals that doesn't has any producing capabilities. But being trap in the middle of the earth doing nothing.
Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Genesis 1:30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless.
John 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
Q: What are some examples of living and non living things which do or do not have energy? - Aimee (age 13) Great Lakes College, Australia A: Hi Aimee,
Everything that’s a "thing" has some energy associated with it! Energy comes in all kinds of different forms and can be converted from one form to another. I’ll list some different kinds of energy and give some examples of some things, both living and non-living, which have this kind of energy.
(But first a warning- these ’types’ of energy are not all ’different’. Energy can be in several of these categories at once. See below.) http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1761
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blazejesus said: If souls are a thing, do you think there's a possibility that not all humans have souls? And what about animals?
Ginger's don't have souls.
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blazejesus said: If souls are a thing, do you think there's a possibility that not all humans have souls? And what about animals?
Soul is English for Psyche (ψυχή) in the original Greek. The soul is not a possession, it is what one is, biblically speaking as well. We ARE an soul, an embodied soul. The real question is whether Soul continues after physical death. For the Egyptians, the personal Ba, needed to reunite after death with the impersonal Ka, and become an Ackh, which would exist eternally. Judaism, possibly influenced by Platonism, recognizes 3 or 4 levels of soul. The first level, Nephesh, is our animal soul which we have in common with other animals. Ruach is spirit, with which soul receives higher levels of being from the highest level, Neshama. The soul is not some nebulous, semi-gaseous 'thing' that a body 'has,' it is essentially what we are.
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blazejesus said If souls are a thing, do you think there's a possibility that not all humans have souls? And what about animals?
The soul/spirit/essence of a human being is otherwise known as the mind. The other part of a human is the body.
The mind is the CNS, it is the control centre of a human and it holds our emotions, thoughts and personality. The mind is a part of the body but they're not the same thing. The body or PNS is what allows humans to feel sensations and the mind is what processes those sensations.
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In my opinion everything that have consciousness have soul.
Do you ever wondered? Why do i have consciousness in that body and someone else in another?
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Re: Souls [Re: Ethric]
#23409645 - 07/04/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The mind is your lower 'I' (ego/ID or whatever)
The higher self is the other (spirit). You never witness your lower self? You can't be the actor and witness.
I realize a lot of people solely identify with the Ego and would not recognize this
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Re: Souls [Re: Snazz]
#23409889 - 07/04/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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True.
But did unconscious being need soul? What is the point of sitting in unconscious body?
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Re: Souls [Re: Ethric]
#23409940 - 07/04/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not really sure what constitutes or defines consciousness. Jury is still out on that one.
Metaphysically speaking, everything has a form of consciousness. Plant, mineral, animal
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Re: Souls [Re: Snazz]
#23410495 - 07/04/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jury's still out on just about anything haha. All this shit is very subjective to me. I try to not believe in anything
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Even most 'settled science' are still theories.
I try and apply critical thinking...but that only helps for some things
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Re: Souls [Re: Snazz]
#23410589 - 07/04/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Life is like ok, here's what we think we know, do with it what you will
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Re: Souls [Re: Snazz]
#23411531 - 07/04/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Snazz said: One view:
Animals have group souls and have potential to evolve to the level we are at.
We are living multiple lives in places and time concurrently which all connect to your oversoul.
Once the lessons and experience are complete, one merges back into the Source.
The Grand Cycle
Yeah, I am on board with the idea that animals do not have a so called individual soul in the way humans do. That doesnt mean animals arent alive or aren't worthy of respect, it just means they are in a different situation spiritually.
another way I have heard it explained is that animals have spirits, but not souls.
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one interesting thing to ponder i find is - what does it mean for a soul (or anything really) to be individual? as in separate from other souls. personally i think the truth is more subtle than that (not that I've settled on any definite truth, just hunches) - that souls are very much interconnected - that all of life is seamless. that said, on a relative level there is a certain homogeneous continuity - like eddies in a river seem distinct from the surrounding flow. but i feel that we are all more interconnected than we usually acknowledge - after all, what is separation? how can things really be separate? if they were, how could they ever come into a relationship with one another? 
as for animals - i have no idea how it works for them, but my current feeling is that they are similar to us in terms of their spiritual existence. obviously every species expresses its being uniquely here, but i feel everything has awareness, consciousness - which to me is synonymous with soul. maybe the rules or goals of their lives are different from humans, but maybe not as different as we tend to think. humanity is currently very deeply rooted in the experience of separation, of individuality, that our lives are unique in that sense. so perhaps the lessons and growth of a human life are uniquely connected to the idea of experiencing individuality - at least at this time. maybe we'll shift soon to a more collective experience, which I think would be nice
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Re: Souls [Re: deff]
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i would say the ideal is best achieved by investigating into the nature of the body -- is the body . . . ?
what is the body? i smile and practice deep and great yoga, and ponder on this -
how to ask , even any other way than simply - what is it? as McKenna said, 'The mystery in the body and how it works its way into nature.' (very slightly paraphrased, by 2 words )
'the mystery is in the body' comes up with it. . . ah, i love meme play. i have some good ones out there. anyway -- some simple and great ways -- raise the eyebrows, look on the skies and trees, help to open the heart / mind to gradual softening / expansion --
and - on this investigation, one learns gradual and not - limited perfections. . . they're not limited - not in the sense that one begins flying, but that there always seems to be more -- and, as one perfection gets neared attaining, it tends to act positively on all the other important (self-emphasized) skills.
in this investigation, and familiarity, exploration and understanding (eventual, simple, immediate and lastingly - attaining of 'mastering', or attainging of the perfections) of the body --
along with this come certain things such as - perfect self-control within a varying of parameters ...
important ( most? ) includes the understanding of the natural chemistry...
what is it - to be free of fear - ? it's a beginning step - and endlessly joyful -
and freeing - and gladdening . . . soo , i just mean, to share this
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Re: Souls [Re: deff] 1
#23412050 - 07/04/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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deff said: one interesting thing to ponder i find is - what does it mean for a soul (or anything really) to be individual? as in separate from other souls. personally i think the truth is more subtle than that (not that I've settled on any definite truth, just hunches) - that souls are very much interconnected - that all of life is seamless. that said, on a relative level there is a certain homogeneous continuity - like eddies in a river seem distinct from the surrounding flow. but i feel that we are all more interconnected than we usually acknowledge - after all, what is separation? how can things really be separate? if they were, how could they ever come into a relationship with one another? 
as for animals - i have no idea how it works for them, but my current feeling is that they are similar to us in terms of their spiritual existence. obviously every species expresses its being uniquely here, but i feel everything has awareness, consciousness - which to me is synonymous with soul. maybe the rules or goals of their lives are different from humans, but maybe not as different as we tend to think. humanity is currently very deeply rooted in the experience of separation, of individuality, that our lives are unique in that sense. so perhaps the lessons and growth of a human life are uniquely connected to the idea of experiencing individuality - at least at this time. maybe we'll shift soon to a more collective experience, which I think would be nice 
I'm right there with you.
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let us shut down the slaughterhouses - and the weapons factories --
tangible steps which can be done.
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my main point a la deff is primarily -- let us examine what is there --
not with a specific goal in mind ( as in - let's have a more collective experience )
i am just saying - shut down the weapons factories and factory farms -- Then let's talk about these things in more detail.
instead of -- doing this, that or the other....................... spiritually.........................
what i have come to realize is -- let's simply investigate and understand --
and in this, understand the different energies ---------- there are some healing, cooling ones.......... there are some (many) other good ones..............
and......... etc.
PEACE AND GOOD WISHES TO ALL.
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