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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Souls [Re: Snazz]
    #23411531 - 07/04/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Snazz said:
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Animals have group souls and have potential to evolve to the level we are at.


We are living multiple lives in places and time concurrently which all connect to your oversoul.


Once the lessons and experience are complete, one merges back into the Source.



The Grand Cycle





Yeah, I am on board with the idea that animals do not have a so called individual soul in the way humans do. That doesnt mean animals arent alive or aren't worthy of respect, it just means they are in a different situation spiritually.

another way I have heard it explained is that animals have spirits, but not souls.


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Re: Souls [Re: Peyote Road] * 2
    #23411757 - 07/04/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

one interesting thing to ponder i find is - what does it mean for a soul (or anything really) to be individual? as in separate from other souls. personally i think the truth is more subtle than that (not that I've settled on any definite truth, just hunches) - that souls are very much interconnected - that all of life is seamless. that said, on a relative level there is a certain homogeneous continuity - like eddies in a river seem distinct from the surrounding flow. but i feel that we are all more interconnected than we usually acknowledge - after all, what is separation? how can things really be separate? if they were, how could they ever come into a relationship with one another? :smile:

as for animals - i have no idea how it works for them, but my current feeling is that they are similar to us in terms of their spiritual existence. obviously every species expresses its being uniquely here, but i feel everything has awareness, consciousness - which to me is synonymous with soul. maybe the rules or goals of their lives are different from humans, but maybe not as different as we tend to think. humanity is currently very deeply rooted in the experience of separation, of individuality, that our lives are unique in that sense. so perhaps the lessons and growth of a human life are uniquely connected to the idea of experiencing individuality - at least at this time. maybe we'll shift soon to a more collective experience, which I think would be nice :smile:


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Re: Souls [Re: deff]
    #23412036 - 07/04/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i would say the ideal is best achieved by investigating into the nature of the body -- is the body . . . ?

what is the body?  i smile and practice deep and great yoga, and ponder on this -

how to ask , even any other way than simply - what is it?  as McKenna said, 'The mystery in the body and how it works its way into nature.'  (very slightly paraphrased, by 2 words :smile: )

'the mystery is in the body' comes up with it. . . ah, i love meme play. :smile:  i have some good ones out there.  anyway -- some simple and great ways -- raise the eyebrows, look on the skies and trees,  help to open the heart / mind to gradual softening / expansion --

and - on this investigation, one learns gradual and not - limited perfections. . . they're not limited - not in the sense that one begins flying, but that there always seems to be more -- and, as one perfection gets neared attaining, it tends to act positively on all the other important (self-emphasized) skills.

in this investigation, and familiarity, exploration and understanding (eventual, simple, immediate and lastingly - attaining of 'mastering', or attainging of the perfections) of the body --

along with this come certain things such as - perfect self-control within a varying of parameters ...

important ( most? ) includes the understanding of the natural chemistry... 

what is it - to be free of fear - ?  it's a beginning step - and endlessly joyful -

and freeing - and gladdening . . . soo , i just mean, to share this :sun:


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    #23412050 - 07/04/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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deff said:
one interesting thing to ponder i find is - what does it mean for a soul (or anything really) to be individual? as in separate from other souls. personally i think the truth is more subtle than that (not that I've settled on any definite truth, just hunches) - that souls are very much interconnected - that all of life is seamless. that said, on a relative level there is a certain homogeneous continuity - like eddies in a river seem distinct from the surrounding flow. but i feel that we are all more interconnected than we usually acknowledge - after all, what is separation? how can things really be separate? if they were, how could they ever come into a relationship with one another? :smile:

as for animals - i have no idea how it works for them, but my current feeling is that they are similar to us in terms of their spiritual existence. obviously every species expresses its being uniquely here, but i feel everything has awareness, consciousness - which to me is synonymous with soul. maybe the rules or goals of their lives are different from humans, but maybe not as different as we tend to think. humanity is currently very deeply rooted in the experience of separation, of individuality, that our lives are unique in that sense. so perhaps the lessons and growth of a human life are uniquely connected to the idea of experiencing individuality - at least at this time. maybe we'll shift soon to a more collective experience, which I think would be nice :smile:




I'm right there with you. :thumbup:


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Re: Souls [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23413473 - 07/05/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

let us shut down the slaughterhouses - and the weapons factories --

tangible steps which can be done. 

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my main point a la deff is primarily -- let us examine what is there --


not with a specific goal in mind ( as in - let's have a more collective experience )


i am just saying - shut down the weapons factories and factory farms -- Then let's talk about these things in more detail.



instead of -- doing this, that or the other....................... spiritually.........................


what i have come to realize is -- let's simply investigate and understand --


and in this, understand the different energies ---------- there are some healing, cooling ones.......... there are some (many) other good ones..............


and......... etc.



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