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What do you think of the hippy movement 1
#23400009 - 07/01/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think the hippy movement of the late 1960s was really about changing society or just a bunch of idiot kids? Curious to know what others think. I love the culture, love the heads of the movement like Kesey and Leary. Just not sure if everyone in the movement was really "on the bus" or if it was a bunch of dumb kids showing up in San Francisco.
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: blazejesus] 3
#23400014 - 07/01/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Millions of people, millions of means and motives
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: Repertoire89] 2
#23400043 - 07/01/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's pretentious for them to believe they were changing the world or any of that bullshit. They were having fun doing drugs and seeing live music. Either way they still created a counter culture which I respect and is pretty cool, but they weren't making the world a better place. They were just having fun, which I can respect. I just think it's fake to act like they changed society. They got high
I feel like right now I/we are part of a counter-culture and I think that's pretty cool. We see life differently and it gives us a place to go be with other people like us. At festivals you meet the coolest people (usually haha)
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: blazejesus] 3
#23400069 - 07/01/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've talked to a lot of old heads and it's my understanding that generally the type that aligned themselves with hippies were jobless thieves and drug addicts. I wouldn't go so far as to say all hippies are shit, but with facts in mind I dislike the culture. I think people get all wrapped up thinking about LSD and the way it makes you feel, instead of focusing on the reality of the subculture. If you think about it, if old school hippies had their way with the government, America would be so much worse off. Maybe even the whole world if I'm being honest. Old school hippies were less hippie than new school hippies. There is a huge difference. If any hippie subculture has the power and presence of mind to change the world, it's new age hippies. I don't think new age hippies would have left Woodstock looking like a landfill. I realize the aftermath of festivals and concerts turn out pretty shitty looking still, but I think on average the new generation of hippies has idealized enough of these concepts to have a greater understanding and appreciation for the concepts many old school hippies fell short of.
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Woodstock had 500,000 people. How do you expect that place to not be trashed after it? Serious question
I heard the end of that counterculture was real sketchy and on the streets of SF a ton of speedfreaks were catching cats and eating them. But that's towards the end. Not everything can last forever
Maybe people like to focus on the negative but I think there was plenty of positive in that scene that you're ignoring
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: UncleCid] 1
#23400091 - 07/01/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If every individual cleaned up after him/herself there would never ever be a mess left over no matter how many people were present
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: UncleCid] 1
#23400096 - 07/01/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not ignoring anything, that's just one post. If I didn't understand the postive concepts I wouldn't have wrote of them at all. Some hippies had big ideas, I just don't think it caught on in the way people think it did back then. Some areas, maybe, but it's a big fucking world and a lot of people suck. I've met enough to know psychedelics and drug use don't make you a good person.
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Man I agree a little on the new age/old age hippie thing. I think there needs to be another big movement involving psychedelics again soon. Done right.
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: blazejesus]
#23400124 - 07/01/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it's because old hippies got beaten as children more often. They grew up in a very racist, homophobic, mysogynistic, and judgemental time that was post WWII. Old school hippies probably got props for hugging a black guy. Today, who gives a fuck? Our standards are so much different which is why I think the new generation of hippies has evolved past those dusty concepts in to more important ones.
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what even is a hippie
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: OhMrJohnson]
#23400148 - 07/01/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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OhMrJohnson said: If every individual cleaned up after him/herself there would never ever be a mess left over no matter how many people were present
Its just not realistic to act like 500,000 people on lsd can pick up after themselves, espeically when it's all muddy
It's funny how people bitch about trash at festivals. They literally hire clean up crews to clean up after everyone. So who gives a shit? When you buy a ticket you help pay for those clean up crews
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: thelanzii]
#23400206 - 07/01/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nemmies said: what even is a hippie
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: UncleCid]
#23400236 - 07/01/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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OhMrJohnson said: If every individual cleaned up after him/herself there would never ever be a mess left over no matter how many people were present
Its just not realistic to act like 500,000 people on lsd can pick up after themselves, espeically when it's all muddy
It's funny how people bitch about trash at festivals. They literally hire clean up crews to clean up after everyone. So who gives a shit? When you buy a ticket you help pay for those clean up crews
You're right, it's not realistic because most people are fucking slobs.. Wishful thinking is all it is
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: OhMrJohnson] 1
#23400319 - 07/01/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can't imagine it's terribly different than today. There is a small amount of very far out and high people and there is a large amount of lowest common denominator masses.
Everything gets eternal September'd.
There is little I've found more disenchanting than the modern hippie scene. However, much like the internet or life in general there are beautiful and ineffable things to be found if you're willing to wade through the muddy water.
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: UncleCid]
#23400341 - 07/01/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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UncleCid said: Woodstock had 500,000 people. How do you expect that place to not be trashed after it? Serious question
I heard the end of that counterculture was real sketchy and on the streets of SF a ton of speedfreaks were catching cats and eating them. But that's towards the end. Not everything can last forever
Maybe people like to focus on the negative but I think there was plenty of positive in that scene that you're ignoring
That wasn't hippies, that was the die hard "alf" fan club. But honestly who hasn't caught and ate a cat on a speed binge?
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: larry.fisherman] 1
#23400353 - 07/01/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: I've talked to a lot of old heads and it's my understanding that generally the type that aligned themselves with hippies were jobless thieves and drug addicts. I wouldn't go so far as to say all hippies are shit, but with facts in mind I dislike the culture. I think people get all wrapped up thinking about LSD and the way it makes you feel, instead of focusing on the reality of the subculture. If you think about it, if old school hippies had their way with the government, America would be so much worse off. Maybe even the whole world if I'm being honest. Old school hippies were less hippie than new school hippies. There is a huge difference. If any hippie subculture has the power and presence of mind to change the world, it's new age hippies. I don't think new age hippies would have left Woodstock looking like a landfill. I realize the aftermath of festivals and concerts turn out pretty shitty looking still, but I think on average the new generation of hippies has idealized enough of these concepts to have a greater understanding and appreciation for the concepts many old school hippies fell short of.
My word web defines hippie as :
Someone who rejects the established culture; advocates extreme liberalism in politics and lifestyle.
So.. it makes sense right... welfare..cough.. ..cough...
The hippy movement was a dire want and conversion to socialism, is that fair to say?
I once heard a story of some hippies. There was a big group of people sitting in a circle. One person had a apple. That person took 1 byte, passed it to the next, it went all the way around back to the first again. Gross.
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: larry.fisherman] 2
#23400355 - 07/01/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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XLCaps said: I think it's because old hippies got beaten as children more often. They grew up in a very racist, homophobic, mysogynistic, and judgemental time that was post WWII. Old school hippies probably got props for hugging a black guy. Today, who gives a fuck? Our standards are so much different which is why I think the new generation of hippies has evolved past those dusty concepts in to more important ones.
Yeah, they "evolved" into being judgmental PC hypocrites, the very same type of people they used to despise.
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: qman] 1
#23400386 - 07/01/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think a lot of new age hippies suck. I cant say anything about the original hippies, wasn't around back then. new hippies like to argue about everything. "that's a lot of fruit you got there." "you mean produce." "yeah... whatever..." *go snort some ketamine you retard*
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: pskept]
#23400396 - 07/01/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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pskept said: I can't imagine it's terribly different than today. There is a small amount of very far out and high people and there is a large amount of lowest common denominator masses.
Everything gets eternal September'd.
There is little I've found more disenchanting than the modern hippie scene. However, much like the internet or life in general there are beautiful and ineffable things to be found if you're willing to wade through the muddy water.
Far out high people, good way to describe what it is lol
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Re: What do you think of the hippy movement [Re: Bigfeely123]
#23400403 - 07/01/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Socially engineered by the CIA.
The acid test parties began after Kesey’s experience with mind-altering drugs as a volunteer test subject for Army experiments in 1960 (later revealed to be part of the CIA’s mind control experiment, Project MKUltra). Kesey stole LSD and invited friends to try it with him. In 1965, after Hunter S. Thompson introduced Kesey to the Hell’s Angels, he expanded his test parties to real happenings at larger venues, beginning at his home in La Honda, California. Always present was the music of The Grateful Dead, who debuted under that name at one of Kesey’s parties after losing their original name, The Warlocks. The cast of characters also included Jack Kerouac’s traveling buddy Neal Cassady, Allen Ginsberg, and Dr. Timothy Leary. Out of what Hunter Thompson called “the world capital of madness,” the psychedelic counter-culture of Haight-Ashbury was born.
In the interview above, Kesey talks about the acid tests as much more than an excuse to trip for hours and hear The Dead play for a buck. No, he says, “there were people who passed and people who didn’t pass” the test. What it all meant perhaps only Kesey knew for sure. (He is quoted as saying that he and his band of compatriots, the Merry Pranksters, were trying to “stop the coming end of the world”). In any case, it’s a strange story—stranger than any of Ken Kesey’s works of fiction: covert government mind control program turns on one of the generation’s most subversive novelists, who then masterminds the hippy movement. The video below, from the Kesey documentary Magic Trip, takes us back to where it started with animation of a tape recording of Kesey narrating his first government-sponsored acid trip.
also this: http://www.henrymakow.com/000907.html
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