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Does meditating late disrupt sleep?
    #23400003 - 07/01/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I rarely meditate at night/evening due to my work/school schedule. But I was wondering if meditating too late in the day disrupts sleep?

My buddy was telling me that if he meditates later than 7pm, he has issues with sleep

Meditation is like a billion years old as a practice so I figure there has been tons of trial and error. Anyone is/has a teacher in this area have any comments/insight? Please let me know


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23400151 - 07/01/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've never had a problem with it - but people are probably unique in how it might affect them. if anything, I find it centers me nicely and makes the time lying down prior to falling asleep more enjoyable (as it's like a continuation of the meditation) - and then sleep comes sooner or later as usual :smile:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: deff]
    #23400233 - 07/01/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Same for me. I find that its great before bed because the relaxed state flows nicely into sleepy land :cool:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #23400493 - 07/01/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

huh. I guess different people get different effects. If its not a huge "precaution" then fuck it. I will do it in the evening at times

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23400541 - 07/01/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@ topdog82: why did you change your profile picture from happy person to demonic monster from death note?


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23400557 - 07/01/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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@ topdog82: why did you change your profile picture from happy person to demonic monster from death note?



cause I watched the show deathnote and found it incredibly interesting

I just started watching random anime shows/movies and its pretty interesting/mind blowing how they integrate their mythology into the day to day life of japanese people and stories

Deathnote introduces a whole series of moral questions. And anime in general has many more layers than american TV. American TV has better humor though. I strongly recommend the show


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23400563 - 07/01/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've not had issues with meditating before bed and problems sleeping. Yoga on the other hand is a different story.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: pskept]
    #23401517 - 07/01/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

- edited out

It's probably a little irresponsible to share certain things even if I believe they're true. Going to use a different medium to express my ideas lol carry on.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: pskept]
    #23401561 - 07/01/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It really, really, really depends.

I wrote a really long reply explaining what I mean, but I went way overboard and probably nobody would read it, so I'm rewriting for brevity.

I have experience with a variety of methods of Buddhist religious practice, many of which could be called "meditation" in English. Some are more likely to excite my mind and body than others.

I find nianfo/nenbutsu practice very suitable before bed, and I also view it as a means of samatha meditation as well as a kind of prayer. So while it comes from Mahayana's Pure Land traditions, and therefore is often associated (fairly or otherwise) with a more intensely faith-based form of Buddhism, even if the Pure Land Sutras ultimately ended up being works of fiction, I'd still think that nianfo had meditative benefit and no harm, so while I am by no means a dedicated disciple of Pure Land Buddhism I use the practice to augment other forms of practice.

Most forms of sitting and walking meditation I find to be quite peaceful and relaxing, and do not rouse energy in my mind or body. Anapanasati, generally, shouldn't wind you up, though I can understand not wanting to do it RIGHT before bed any more than I'd want to write a paper RIGHT before bed. I like a "break" before bed.

On the other hand, there is a vipassana method taught by one Sunlun Sayadaw in the early part of the 20th century in Myanmar (at that time it was called Burma). While it is a form of breathing meditation, the specific technique can really rouse some physical agitation and mental energy, and if you ever become familiar with it I would strongly recommend against doing it close to bedtime. I wouldn't do it except in the morning or afternoon, personally.

I don't know much of anything about meditative practices in Hindu religions, in Jainism, in Daoist traditions, etc., and I don't think the contemplative practices of the Abrahamic traditions which are often called meditation are likely to impact sleep quality unless one encounters an unexpected problem. Most of the time I'd say most Buddhist meditative practices with which I'm familiar, and the popular "secular" meditation practices in "the West" which are almost always just de-Buddhafied variations on Buddhist religious practice, are rather unlikely to interfere with my sleep. But some specific practices, some specific instances of unusual experiences during meditation (which are extremely possible), or the reactions some specific people have to meditation may make a difference.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: saenchai]
    #23403466 - 07/02/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've not had issues with meditating before bed and problems sleeping. Yoga on the other hand is a different story.



ya same. Yoga before sleep keeps me up. Just like exercise does
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I watched Death Note when I was in my late teens lol I enjoyed the story. Ryuk isn't really a demonic character in the story. Shinigamis are just human souls who get "bad karma" for their previous life's desire for the the power over life and death. It's humorous because Ryuk doesn't take his karma so seriously and kinda sees through the polarity of the universe. The way he acts is like he knows that life is just a strange play filled with many facets of characters whom he is all too familiar and bored with. He just eats apples and finds interesting games to play with humans when he's bored of being in the Shinigami world and playing cards. He doesn't pretend to be good or evil, just looks for games to play to pass eternity. That attitude makes me laugh, buying into polarity too much is corny lol. The irony of his fate is etched on his face permanently hahaha. To answer the question, I've been meditating first thing in the morning lately but that's just to fit my schedule because after my willpower is spent at the end of the day, sometimes I don't feel like it. Its prolly different for different people so only way to find out is experiment around with it and see what happens. It's pretty fun to learn that way.



ya thats a beautiful rendition of the show
Ryuk is such a badass. I relate to him in a weird way. Esp his love for apples. I eat a fuckton of fruits. Hence me changing my avatar to his profile

And ya because the responses are so varied, I will try it out on my own and see what happens


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23405898 - 07/03/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah people like comparing themselves to characters they think are cool.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23405997 - 07/03/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I find that meditating at night releases the built up energy accumulated during the day.

I enjoy meditating first thing in the morning, when the mind is clear, fresh, and activly scanning for anxious thoughts


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23407932 - 07/03/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When I was in teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation® we were told that some people sleep a whole lot more when they commence meditating, while other sleep a whole lot less. Meditation does increase Alpha waves, but the samadhis probably belong to Gamma wave states which are higher cycles than waking Beta waves. I suppose that if one attempts to meditate and begins to increase Alpha, then Theta waves, one begins to get 'hypnoidal' and sleepy on the way to Delta wave (deep sleep), but if one begins with Beta wave consciousness and somehow Gamma waves are elicited, one will become energized. :shrug:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23408123 - 07/03/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23408257 - 07/03/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I can only speak from recent experience, but when I meditated for a long time before sleep a few days ago, I was up much later than usual. And the next day as well.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #23408576 - 07/03/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nesta-- It really, really, really depends.

I liked this. :smile:

Anyway - I can understand what you mean, for me I've got to the point (finally) where, I'm in the place of peace, that is really there... like, there are many mysteries, and much new beauty always, ever-unfolding; but at some point, at least it was for me -

but i mean in terms of dreams - the place involves, various habits, practices. . . and my heart, is with a very peaceful one. . . for instance - to help heal the world, and bring creative -- one doesn't fight chaos, for instance, by heading out with a sword. . .

peace work, mandalas, and a dozen million other practices, shamanic, mantra, prayer,  -- smiles, song, hugs, peace walks, and everything else which, brings peace to this world, (or at least some of them, and of course so many others)

so, hope you will forgive my tangent. . . .dreams -- ah! dear friend, dreams!....  peaceful sleep!  :-)  . . . . it's one of my favorite things. . .  (along with brain chemistry, and other stuff.....)

I didn't follow lucid dreaming things much -- but, my own style has been.... very peaceful, very blissful dreams.... -- over the years (lifetimes?) i've learned more and i continue to....

and things are new....

anyway - there's a certain thing. . . and, it's like, kinda -- consciousness can be ''heavy'', and, various things can help make it ''light'' again. . .

this of course is not the only thing -- but, various states are like states of ''ignorance'' -- from a consciousness point of view -

the awake state - and the subconscious are connected -- so, if one reaches that place where - in terms of brain chemistry for instance , at no part of one's day does one fall of from self-control, or, self-awareness, i.e., at no point does one leave divine consciousness (which is, of course in the end, the same as 'normal' consciousness.... but this is a philosophical or technical point..) ..... then - it seems to be, the dreams are as one wishes.

this is perhaps the closest i would come to lucid-dreaming. . . but then - again, if life is a dream. . . :-) hehe. . . Vivekananda once wrote, 'The whole life is a succession of dreams. My ambition is to be a conscious dreamer, that is all.'

So - please forgive if this is too wordy a reply. .. I can get off into tangents.. I do my best. 

The topic is an interesting one --- fascinates me deeply, and indeed I love it. 

i kind of approach the one of peaceful sleep, in a sense directly - and, it is interesting because it is unique for everyone. . .

We all have our unique physiognomy -

but certain things are the same.

as for dreams, it would seem that the closer one is to that 'ideal' in a sense, - what it may be -- love, health, coconut fronds -  or, a frosty winter morning nearby the evergreens. . . (or a million zillion others?), --then, one gets closer to the similar place in dreams. . .

hurrah :sun: :earth:

as for the other - for me, it has been mostly about concentration, and so, meditation on a specific object. 

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23409595 - 07/04/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23410568 - 07/04/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I also took Teacher Effectiveness Training (TET), and years later experienced that teacher's very nice tits. In fact, she was the first woman I had sex with 3 weeks after leaving my ex-wife, and the first new partner in 13 years. :yesnod: :thumbup:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23414376 - 07/05/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Meditate into sleep


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: Buckthorn]
    #23417269 - 07/06/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Meditate into sleep




Meditate into Wakefulness - that IS the entire point of meditation after all. Sleepiness is one of the obstacles to successful meditation. There is the legend of the origination of tea, with its energizing effect of wakefulness attributed to the Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma. Relaxation has its place, as does the lowering of anxiety and hypertension, but meditation is for awakening to our True Nature.

" As he sat in deep concentration, Bodhidharma abruptly realized that in an agonizing instant of fatigue, he had closed his eyes and dozed off to sleep.  In anger at his weakness, he savagely tore at his eyes in self disgust, ripping out his eyelids and flinging them to the ground.  As the leaf like lids of flesh lay bloody in the dirt, they sprouted miraculously into tea plants.  Instinctively, Bodhidharma reached over and plucked a few leaves from the bushes to chew and suddenly felt as “one who awakens.”  His mind clear and focused, he resumed his meditation." - http://www.tsiosophy.com/2012/09/tea-and-bodhidharma/


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23417484 - 07/06/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A preoccupied mind is what plays factor in ability to fall asleep. Meditation is a short term solution to a long term problem. Sleep in itself is a desire to escape reality. When we cant sleep, the reality is that we aren't tired. This simulation that we live under ties individuals to a schedule- an operation that reinforces the idea that tomorrow is promised and disallows us to live in the present moment and manifests anxiety or depression (future or past conflict). To relieve ourselves from a busy mind, is not by trying, but by not trying to do anything. All of our actions are the effect of pleasing other people that we feel dependent of in order to maintain the things that we (think that we) desire. A busy mind is the effect of overlapping voices telling us to do this or that, and those are our egos arguing with one another for control over our consciousness. To successfully rid ourselves of those egos we have to become one with ourself- to become truly self reliant. only then can the God mind be embraced.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23417657 - 07/06/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't count how many subjects you cobbled into one response, but there were several: sleep, meditation, escapism, temporality vs. atemporality, social processes, speculative ego-psychology, and theology! :lol: Sleep can be an escapist mechanism, but we all require sleep to live, regenerate, process our dreams, and maintain our sanity. I've experienced sleep-deprivation hallucination on the highway - very dangerous. Sleep is essential, dreams are important to have and perhaps just as important to pay attention to and analyze.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23418142 - 07/06/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We have to look at the bigger picture to solve any problems, otherwise its equal to trying to heal a broken arm with a band aid. a tired mind results in a tired body, when we heal the mind we have no desire to spend a third of our lives unconscious.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23418222 - 07/06/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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A preoccupied mind is what plays factor in ability to fall asleep.





When we spend the evening stimulating and energizing our minds with computers, games, and
other electronic "entertainment", it's no wonder we can't fall asleep. 

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Sleep in itself is a desire to escape reality.





Sleep is critical to our cognitive functioning and emotional well being.

Notice how life sucks when we don't get proper sleep.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23418290 - 07/06/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep. Weve been programmed to think differently through fear of health, unemployment, death etc. life is short as it is, theres no true reason to spend so much of it asleep


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23418628 - 07/06/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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FairyFlowers said:
Meditate into sleep




Meditate into Wakefulness - that IS the entire point of meditation after all. Sleepiness is one of the obstacles to successful meditation. There is the legend of the origination of tea, with its energizing effect of wakefulness attributed to the Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma. Relaxation has its place, as does the lowering of anxiety and hypertension, but meditation is for awakening to our True Nature.

" As he sat in deep concentration, Bodhidharma abruptly realized that in an agonizing instant of fatigue, he had closed his eyes and dozed off to sleep.  In anger at his weakness, he savagely tore at his eyes in self disgust, ripping out his eyelids and flinging them to the ground.  As the leaf like lids of flesh lay bloody in the dirt, they sprouted miraculously into tea plants.  Instinctively, Bodhidharma reached over and plucked a few leaves from the bushes to chew and suddenly felt as “one who awakens.”  His mind clear and focused, he resumed his meditation." - http://www.tsiosophy.com/2012/09/tea-and-bodhidharma/



Yep. Tea>coffee. A much more relaxing alertness agent. Personally I feel it actually enhances health. Coffee makes me edgy


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23418648 - 07/06/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep. Weve been programmed to think differently through fear of health, unemployment, death etc. life is short as it is, theres no true reason to spend so much of it asleep



And debatable. Sleep is required for certain physiological function. My dad can get by on about 5 hours of sleep. I need 7-8 hours

Diff stokes for diff folks. Genetics play a role. But regardless, the body needs sleep. You can decrease that need through working out, meditation, diet, water, low stress, increasing sleep quality, sex, genetics etc. but the fact remains; sleep in form is needed

I forgot to add on my last post that tea is an amazing meditation aid. Green tea specifically. A cup or two a day for better energy


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23418824 - 07/06/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Meditating can help and facilitate peaceful sleep..and even dream awake visions...meditation is very powerful..and one of the most potent substances on Earth..

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23418827 - 07/06/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It can be viewed from different perspectives. we can run on just a few hours a week total but we're all on different frequencies so to some sleep can be more enjoyable than being awake. meditation before sleep may be raising a frequency to where one doesnt really feel the desire to sleep anymore.

whole garlic onions are a great remedy as well. It decalcifys the pineal gland


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23418998 - 07/07/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It can be viewed from different perspectives. I believe everyone can run on just a few hours a week total but we're all on different frequencies so to some sleep can be more enjoyable than being awake. meditation before sleep may be raising a frequency to where one doesnt really feel the desire to sleep anymore.

whole garlic onions are a great remedy as well. It decalcifys the pineal gland



I am not saying you are wrong, but I hear a lot about pineal glands and very little solid information about it. I mean the logic and evidence is lacking

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23419002 - 07/07/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Its no theory, just google it


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23421036 - 07/07/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you Marcos

Although there is a purpose for eyelids.

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: Buckthorn]
    #23422025 - 07/08/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thank you Marcos

Although there is a purpose for eyelids.

Jesus a son of the  temple
Buddha the son of a palace




I don't believe in either one of these characters. There's more "spiritual" people on Earth than just buddha or jesus; I hate it when people act as if they're the only 2 people that ever existed.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23427632 - 07/09/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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We have to look at the bigger picture to solve any problems, otherwise its equal to trying to heal a broken arm with a band aid. a tired mind results in a tired body, when we heal the mind we have no desire to spend a third of our lives unconscious.




I used to be greedy for superconscious states. Part of that may have been connected to fear of transmigration because of a revivification of my biological birth on a high-dose acid trip. Very few of my dreams are lucid, but I do retain conscious values in my dream-ego (for example, I turn down sex from dream-characters because I'm married in 'waking life'). Now, if there is profound disruption at death (as I'm confident there is), it is comforting to know that my core values penetrate to my unconscious, and deeper than my core values of course is my True Nature, which will similarly shine through the murky confusion as the values, memories, sensations, thoughts, and emotions dissolve away at death. So, regardless of whether I am in a psychic 'spacecraft' or a psychic 'bathyscaph,' traversing the superconscious or the unconscious, my True Nature suffuses both, and it is only the ego which makes the preference that you describe. The ego is not your True Nature, but you seem to be identifying that analytical and biased mental instrument as being who/what you are. Consciousness is a continuum we live in, and above.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23431054 - 07/11/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep.

Weve been programmed to think differently through fear of health, unemployment, death etc. life is short as it is, theres no true reason to spend so much of it asleep




You are pulling our collective leg.

My boss says this. He cuts short his night sleep, because "life is too short to sleep it away".

I'll go along with the idea that everyone doesn't need 8 hours . . . but 2?        What are you smoking?

In the US, we spend $100 billion a year on drugs to reduce our cognitive suffering, some of which is due to sleep deprivation.

I went 25 years experiencing sleep deprivation, and now I get the sleep I need.

No words can describe the change in my life due to this change.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23431707 - 07/11/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mind over matter


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23431774 - 07/11/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep.




Makes sense really.  Personally, needing a couple hours of sleep isn't unheard of especially in monastic communities(at least with the ones I know who practice the profound meditations), the body just naturally adjusts.  Also, in deep stages of meditation, not only is it incredibly rejuvenating, but energizing as well, a couple hours of sleep would be enough.

In regards to deep stages, I'm talking about full absorption, aka Jhanas 4-8(or dhyana depending on cultural interpretation).  From my own discussions with other practitioners, and personal experiences, it's just something that is easier to experience than understand conceptually due to personal limitations/mental hinderances(mind over matter). :P


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23432863 - 07/11/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

For me, meditation in the evening is often a hugely restful experience.  I come out of it extremely calm, lucid and wakeful.  I can eventually get to sleep, but it can take a while.

My impression is that this is very much an individual thing, dependent on the person, the circumstances and the method of meditiation.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23434060 - 07/12/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I never really noticed whether meditating before sleep can cause trouble sleeping before, but I have never meditated regularly enough to really know for sure. Having said that, I meditated for about 40 mins at about 8:30 pm tonight and it is now 1:10 am here and I can't fall asleep yet so who knows?



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yeah people like comparing themselves to characters they think are cool.




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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: ImmortalZodd]
    #23434347 - 07/12/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@yogashaman: just saw your post. Passive aggresive much? hahah


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