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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23417484 - 07/06/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A preoccupied mind is what plays factor in ability to fall asleep. Meditation is a short term solution to a long term problem. Sleep in itself is a desire to escape reality. When we cant sleep, the reality is that we aren't tired. This simulation that we live under ties individuals to a schedule- an operation that reinforces the idea that tomorrow is promised and disallows us to live in the present moment and manifests anxiety or depression (future or past conflict). To relieve ourselves from a busy mind, is not by trying, but by not trying to do anything. All of our actions are the effect of pleasing other people that we feel dependent of in order to maintain the things that we (think that we) desire. A busy mind is the effect of overlapping voices telling us to do this or that, and those are our egos arguing with one another for control over our consciousness. To successfully rid ourselves of those egos we have to become one with ourself- to become truly self reliant. only then can the God mind be embraced.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23417657 - 07/06/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't count how many subjects you cobbled into one response, but there were several: sleep, meditation, escapism, temporality vs. atemporality, social processes, speculative ego-psychology, and theology! :lol: Sleep can be an escapist mechanism, but we all require sleep to live, regenerate, process our dreams, and maintain our sanity. I've experienced sleep-deprivation hallucination on the highway - very dangerous. Sleep is essential, dreams are important to have and perhaps just as important to pay attention to and analyze.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23418142 - 07/06/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We have to look at the bigger picture to solve any problems, otherwise its equal to trying to heal a broken arm with a band aid. a tired mind results in a tired body, when we heal the mind we have no desire to spend a third of our lives unconscious.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23418222 - 07/06/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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A preoccupied mind is what plays factor in ability to fall asleep.





When we spend the evening stimulating and energizing our minds with computers, games, and
other electronic "entertainment", it's no wonder we can't fall asleep. 

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bigdoodie said:

Sleep in itself is a desire to escape reality.





Sleep is critical to our cognitive functioning and emotional well being.

Notice how life sucks when we don't get proper sleep.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23418290 - 07/06/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep. Weve been programmed to think differently through fear of health, unemployment, death etc. life is short as it is, theres no true reason to spend so much of it asleep


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23418628 - 07/06/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Meditate into sleep




Meditate into Wakefulness - that IS the entire point of meditation after all. Sleepiness is one of the obstacles to successful meditation. There is the legend of the origination of tea, with its energizing effect of wakefulness attributed to the Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma. Relaxation has its place, as does the lowering of anxiety and hypertension, but meditation is for awakening to our True Nature.

" As he sat in deep concentration, Bodhidharma abruptly realized that in an agonizing instant of fatigue, he had closed his eyes and dozed off to sleep.  In anger at his weakness, he savagely tore at his eyes in self disgust, ripping out his eyelids and flinging them to the ground.  As the leaf like lids of flesh lay bloody in the dirt, they sprouted miraculously into tea plants.  Instinctively, Bodhidharma reached over and plucked a few leaves from the bushes to chew and suddenly felt as “one who awakens.”  His mind clear and focused, he resumed his meditation." - http://www.tsiosophy.com/2012/09/tea-and-bodhidharma/



Yep. Tea>coffee. A much more relaxing alertness agent. Personally I feel it actually enhances health. Coffee makes me edgy


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23418648 - 07/06/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep. Weve been programmed to think differently through fear of health, unemployment, death etc. life is short as it is, theres no true reason to spend so much of it asleep



And debatable. Sleep is required for certain physiological function. My dad can get by on about 5 hours of sleep. I need 7-8 hours

Diff stokes for diff folks. Genetics play a role. But regardless, the body needs sleep. You can decrease that need through working out, meditation, diet, water, low stress, increasing sleep quality, sex, genetics etc. but the fact remains; sleep in form is needed

I forgot to add on my last post that tea is an amazing meditation aid. Green tea specifically. A cup or two a day for better energy


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23418824 - 07/06/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Meditating can help and facilitate peaceful sleep..and even dream awake visions...meditation is very powerful..and one of the most potent substances on Earth..

In and out!


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23418827 - 07/06/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It can be viewed from different perspectives. we can run on just a few hours a week total but we're all on different frequencies so to some sleep can be more enjoyable than being awake. meditation before sleep may be raising a frequency to where one doesnt really feel the desire to sleep anymore.

whole garlic onions are a great remedy as well. It decalcifys the pineal gland


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23418998 - 07/07/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It can be viewed from different perspectives. I believe everyone can run on just a few hours a week total but we're all on different frequencies so to some sleep can be more enjoyable than being awake. meditation before sleep may be raising a frequency to where one doesnt really feel the desire to sleep anymore.

whole garlic onions are a great remedy as well. It decalcifys the pineal gland



I am not saying you are wrong, but I hear a lot about pineal glands and very little solid information about it. I mean the logic and evidence is lacking

Links?


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23419002 - 07/07/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Its no theory, just google it


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23421036 - 07/07/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you Marcos

Although there is a purpose for eyelids.

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: Buckthorn]
    #23422025 - 07/08/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thank you Marcos

Although there is a purpose for eyelids.

Jesus a son of the  temple
Buddha the son of a palace




I don't believe in either one of these characters. There's more "spiritual" people on Earth than just buddha or jesus; I hate it when people act as if they're the only 2 people that ever existed.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23427632 - 07/09/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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We have to look at the bigger picture to solve any problems, otherwise its equal to trying to heal a broken arm with a band aid. a tired mind results in a tired body, when we heal the mind we have no desire to spend a third of our lives unconscious.




I used to be greedy for superconscious states. Part of that may have been connected to fear of transmigration because of a revivification of my biological birth on a high-dose acid trip. Very few of my dreams are lucid, but I do retain conscious values in my dream-ego (for example, I turn down sex from dream-characters because I'm married in 'waking life'). Now, if there is profound disruption at death (as I'm confident there is), it is comforting to know that my core values penetrate to my unconscious, and deeper than my core values of course is my True Nature, which will similarly shine through the murky confusion as the values, memories, sensations, thoughts, and emotions dissolve away at death. So, regardless of whether I am in a psychic 'spacecraft' or a psychic 'bathyscaph,' traversing the superconscious or the unconscious, my True Nature suffuses both, and it is only the ego which makes the preference that you describe. The ego is not your True Nature, but you seem to be identifying that analytical and biased mental instrument as being who/what you are. Consciousness is a continuum we live in, and above.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23431054 - 07/11/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep.

Weve been programmed to think differently through fear of health, unemployment, death etc. life is short as it is, theres no true reason to spend so much of it asleep




You are pulling our collective leg.

My boss says this. He cuts short his night sleep, because "life is too short to sleep it away".

I'll go along with the idea that everyone doesn't need 8 hours . . . but 2?        What are you smoking?

In the US, we spend $100 billion a year on drugs to reduce our cognitive suffering, some of which is due to sleep deprivation.

I went 25 years experiencing sleep deprivation, and now I get the sleep I need.

No words can describe the change in my life due to this change.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23431707 - 07/11/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mind over matter


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23431774 - 07/11/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thats subjective thinking, we can easily run on a couple hours of sleep.




Makes sense really.  Personally, needing a couple hours of sleep isn't unheard of especially in monastic communities(at least with the ones I know who practice the profound meditations), the body just naturally adjusts.  Also, in deep stages of meditation, not only is it incredibly rejuvenating, but energizing as well, a couple hours of sleep would be enough.

In regards to deep stages, I'm talking about full absorption, aka Jhanas 4-8(or dhyana depending on cultural interpretation).  From my own discussions with other practitioners, and personal experiences, it's just something that is easier to experience than understand conceptually due to personal limitations/mental hinderances(mind over matter). :P


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23432863 - 07/11/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

For me, meditation in the evening is often a hugely restful experience.  I come out of it extremely calm, lucid and wakeful.  I can eventually get to sleep, but it can take a while.

My impression is that this is very much an individual thing, dependent on the person, the circumstances and the method of meditiation.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23434060 - 07/12/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I never really noticed whether meditating before sleep can cause trouble sleeping before, but I have never meditated regularly enough to really know for sure. Having said that, I meditated for about 40 mins at about 8:30 pm tonight and it is now 1:10 am here and I can't fall asleep yet so who knows?



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yeah people like comparing themselves to characters they think are cool.




True story :wink:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: ImmortalZodd]
    #23434347 - 07/12/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@yogashaman: just saw your post. Passive aggresive much? hahah


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