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Does meditating late disrupt sleep?
    #23400003 - 07/01/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I rarely meditate at night/evening due to my work/school schedule. But I was wondering if meditating too late in the day disrupts sleep?

My buddy was telling me that if he meditates later than 7pm, he has issues with sleep

Meditation is like a billion years old as a practice so I figure there has been tons of trial and error. Anyone is/has a teacher in this area have any comments/insight? Please let me know


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23400151 - 07/01/16 07:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've never had a problem with it - but people are probably unique in how it might affect them. if anything, I find it centers me nicely and makes the time lying down prior to falling asleep more enjoyable (as it's like a continuation of the meditation) - and then sleep comes sooner or later as usual :smile:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: deff]
    #23400233 - 07/01/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Same for me. I find that its great before bed because the relaxed state flows nicely into sleepy land :cool:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #23400493 - 07/01/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

huh. I guess different people get different effects. If its not a huge "precaution" then fuck it. I will do it in the evening at times

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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23400541 - 07/01/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@ topdog82: why did you change your profile picture from happy person to demonic monster from death note?


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23400557 - 07/01/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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@ topdog82: why did you change your profile picture from happy person to demonic monster from death note?



cause I watched the show deathnote and found it incredibly interesting

I just started watching random anime shows/movies and its pretty interesting/mind blowing how they integrate their mythology into the day to day life of japanese people and stories

Deathnote introduces a whole series of moral questions. And anime in general has many more layers than american TV. American TV has better humor though. I strongly recommend the show


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23400563 - 07/01/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've not had issues with meditating before bed and problems sleeping. Yoga on the other hand is a different story.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: pskept]
    #23401517 - 07/01/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

- edited out

It's probably a little irresponsible to share certain things even if I believe they're true. Going to use a different medium to express my ideas lol carry on.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: pskept]
    #23401561 - 07/01/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It really, really, really depends.

I wrote a really long reply explaining what I mean, but I went way overboard and probably nobody would read it, so I'm rewriting for brevity.

I have experience with a variety of methods of Buddhist religious practice, many of which could be called "meditation" in English. Some are more likely to excite my mind and body than others.

I find nianfo/nenbutsu practice very suitable before bed, and I also view it as a means of samatha meditation as well as a kind of prayer. So while it comes from Mahayana's Pure Land traditions, and therefore is often associated (fairly or otherwise) with a more intensely faith-based form of Buddhism, even if the Pure Land Sutras ultimately ended up being works of fiction, I'd still think that nianfo had meditative benefit and no harm, so while I am by no means a dedicated disciple of Pure Land Buddhism I use the practice to augment other forms of practice.

Most forms of sitting and walking meditation I find to be quite peaceful and relaxing, and do not rouse energy in my mind or body. Anapanasati, generally, shouldn't wind you up, though I can understand not wanting to do it RIGHT before bed any more than I'd want to write a paper RIGHT before bed. I like a "break" before bed.

On the other hand, there is a vipassana method taught by one Sunlun Sayadaw in the early part of the 20th century in Myanmar (at that time it was called Burma). While it is a form of breathing meditation, the specific technique can really rouse some physical agitation and mental energy, and if you ever become familiar with it I would strongly recommend against doing it close to bedtime. I wouldn't do it except in the morning or afternoon, personally.

I don't know much of anything about meditative practices in Hindu religions, in Jainism, in Daoist traditions, etc., and I don't think the contemplative practices of the Abrahamic traditions which are often called meditation are likely to impact sleep quality unless one encounters an unexpected problem. Most of the time I'd say most Buddhist meditative practices with which I'm familiar, and the popular "secular" meditation practices in "the West" which are almost always just de-Buddhafied variations on Buddhist religious practice, are rather unlikely to interfere with my sleep. But some specific practices, some specific instances of unusual experiences during meditation (which are extremely possible), or the reactions some specific people have to meditation may make a difference.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: saenchai]
    #23403466 - 07/02/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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pskept said:
I've not had issues with meditating before bed and problems sleeping. Yoga on the other hand is a different story.



ya same. Yoga before sleep keeps me up. Just like exercise does
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I watched Death Note when I was in my late teens lol I enjoyed the story. Ryuk isn't really a demonic character in the story. Shinigamis are just human souls who get "bad karma" for their previous life's desire for the the power over life and death. It's humorous because Ryuk doesn't take his karma so seriously and kinda sees through the polarity of the universe. The way he acts is like he knows that life is just a strange play filled with many facets of characters whom he is all too familiar and bored with. He just eats apples and finds interesting games to play with humans when he's bored of being in the Shinigami world and playing cards. He doesn't pretend to be good or evil, just looks for games to play to pass eternity. That attitude makes me laugh, buying into polarity too much is corny lol. The irony of his fate is etched on his face permanently hahaha. To answer the question, I've been meditating first thing in the morning lately but that's just to fit my schedule because after my willpower is spent at the end of the day, sometimes I don't feel like it. Its prolly different for different people so only way to find out is experiment around with it and see what happens. It's pretty fun to learn that way.



ya thats a beautiful rendition of the show
Ryuk is such a badass. I relate to him in a weird way. Esp his love for apples. I eat a fuckton of fruits. Hence me changing my avatar to his profile

And ya because the responses are so varied, I will try it out on my own and see what happens


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23405898 - 07/03/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah people like comparing themselves to characters they think are cool.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: yogashaman21]
    #23405997 - 07/03/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I find that meditating at night releases the built up energy accumulated during the day.

I enjoy meditating first thing in the morning, when the mind is clear, fresh, and activly scanning for anxious thoughts


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: topdog82]
    #23407932 - 07/03/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When I was in teacher-training for Transcendental Meditation® we were told that some people sleep a whole lot more when they commence meditating, while other sleep a whole lot less. Meditation does increase Alpha waves, but the samadhis probably belong to Gamma wave states which are higher cycles than waking Beta waves. I suppose that if one attempts to meditate and begins to increase Alpha, then Theta waves, one begins to get 'hypnoidal' and sleepy on the way to Delta wave (deep sleep), but if one begins with Beta wave consciousness and somehow Gamma waves are elicited, one will become energized. :shrug:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23408123 - 07/03/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Teacher In Training = TIT


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23408257 - 07/03/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I can only speak from recent experience, but when I meditated for a long time before sleep a few days ago, I was up much later than usual. And the next day as well.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #23408576 - 07/03/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nesta-- It really, really, really depends.

I liked this. :smile:

Anyway - I can understand what you mean, for me I've got to the point (finally) where, I'm in the place of peace, that is really there... like, there are many mysteries, and much new beauty always, ever-unfolding; but at some point, at least it was for me -

but i mean in terms of dreams - the place involves, various habits, practices. . . and my heart, is with a very peaceful one. . . for instance - to help heal the world, and bring creative -- one doesn't fight chaos, for instance, by heading out with a sword. . .

peace work, mandalas, and a dozen million other practices, shamanic, mantra, prayer,  -- smiles, song, hugs, peace walks, and everything else which, brings peace to this world, (or at least some of them, and of course so many others)

so, hope you will forgive my tangent. . . .dreams -- ah! dear friend, dreams!....  peaceful sleep!  :-)  . . . . it's one of my favorite things. . .  (along with brain chemistry, and other stuff.....)

I didn't follow lucid dreaming things much -- but, my own style has been.... very peaceful, very blissful dreams.... -- over the years (lifetimes?) i've learned more and i continue to....

and things are new....

anyway - there's a certain thing. . . and, it's like, kinda -- consciousness can be ''heavy'', and, various things can help make it ''light'' again. . .

this of course is not the only thing -- but, various states are like states of ''ignorance'' -- from a consciousness point of view -

the awake state - and the subconscious are connected -- so, if one reaches that place where - in terms of brain chemistry for instance , at no part of one's day does one fall of from self-control, or, self-awareness, i.e., at no point does one leave divine consciousness (which is, of course in the end, the same as 'normal' consciousness.... but this is a philosophical or technical point..) ..... then - it seems to be, the dreams are as one wishes.

this is perhaps the closest i would come to lucid-dreaming. . . but then - again, if life is a dream. . . :-) hehe. . . Vivekananda once wrote, 'The whole life is a succession of dreams. My ambition is to be a conscious dreamer, that is all.'

So - please forgive if this is too wordy a reply. .. I can get off into tangents.. I do my best. 

The topic is an interesting one --- fascinates me deeply, and indeed I love it. 

i kind of approach the one of peaceful sleep, in a sense directly - and, it is interesting because it is unique for everyone. . .

We all have our unique physiognomy -

but certain things are the same.

as for dreams, it would seem that the closer one is to that 'ideal' in a sense, - what it may be -- love, health, coconut fronds -  or, a frosty winter morning nearby the evergreens. . . (or a million zillion others?), --then, one gets closer to the similar place in dreams. . .

hurrah :sun: :earth:

as for the other - for me, it has been mostly about concentration, and so, meditation on a specific object. 

peace and good wishes :heart:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23409595 - 07/04/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Teacher In Training = TIT



The boy I quote is 60 years old.


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23410568 - 07/04/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Teacher In Training = TIT




I also took Teacher Effectiveness Training (TET), and years later experienced that teacher's very nice tits. In fact, she was the first woman I had sex with 3 weeks after leaving my ex-wife, and the first new partner in 13 years. :yesnod: :thumbup:


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23414376 - 07/05/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Meditate into sleep


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Re: Does meditating late disrupt sleep? [Re: Buckthorn]
    #23417269 - 07/06/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Meditate into sleep




Meditate into Wakefulness - that IS the entire point of meditation after all. Sleepiness is one of the obstacles to successful meditation. There is the legend of the origination of tea, with its energizing effect of wakefulness attributed to the Zen Patriarch Bodhidharma. Relaxation has its place, as does the lowering of anxiety and hypertension, but meditation is for awakening to our True Nature.

" As he sat in deep concentration, Bodhidharma abruptly realized that in an agonizing instant of fatigue, he had closed his eyes and dozed off to sleep.  In anger at his weakness, he savagely tore at his eyes in self disgust, ripping out his eyelids and flinging them to the ground.  As the leaf like lids of flesh lay bloody in the dirt, they sprouted miraculously into tea plants.  Instinctively, Bodhidharma reached over and plucked a few leaves from the bushes to chew and suddenly felt as “one who awakens.”  His mind clear and focused, he resumed his meditation." - http://www.tsiosophy.com/2012/09/tea-and-bodhidharma/


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