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A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation * 3
    #23399662 - 07/01/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

These 9 cakes were birthed with only a few days consolidation.

They didn't do anything but colonize the verm after dunk and roll.



So I dunked them 6h because some felt light. I rerolled them and they're pinning 3 days later.




That one extra week set me back a month.

These two popped in the last two days. Busy doing a bunch of nothing. Then they did this in the past 2.5 days.



There's something bacterial involved and these two will flush once. Notice the cracked cap and mutant on the left cake.

If I wasn't forced to birth early (extenuating circumstance), I'd already be done.

Consolidate 7-10 days after your last jar finishes colonization.

Note: This is really the only time I'd suggest dunk/roll after the initial ones. Without that integral 1-2mm casing layer, I doubt these would have pinned at all.


Edited by Adden (07/01/16 01:05 AM)


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Adden]
    #23399776 - 07/01/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Those cakes are trolling you adden.

Dunno if I told you this but you, dear sir, are the goddamn cake boss. The real one.


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23399794 - 07/01/16 02:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, and another thing I hate to see is foil with standing water and verm in it. I highly recommend not even misting for 24h after the roll. People should be putting their cakes on upside down lids. Aluminum foil that's been degraded by myc is also gross, too, and a waste of foil. The closer the cake is to the perlite the better. And also why bother rolling if you're going to mist half of it off.

Since I had to birth these early, I smelled the jars before rinsing them, and knew two were bacterial right off the bat. I set them aside and bisected one and made discs out of the other. It amazed me that after 4 weeks, there was so much on the inside in a weak mycelial network. The jars had even started to pull away from the glass. I think in some cases it's a poor indicator to birth when you first start seeing it.


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23399797 - 07/01/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Supalemonhaze said:
Those cakes are trolling you adden.

Dunno if I told you this but you, dear sir, are the goddamn cake boss. The real one.




And lol thanks. Being good at cakes is like a participation trophy but I'll take what I can get.


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Adden]
    #23399803 - 07/01/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cakes are pretty dense as is, bacteria only makes it that much worse. I've never been a fan of cakes but when I see pics like yours, I kinda wish that I was able to rock them cakes like you do.

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Adden said:
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Supalemonhaze said:
Those cakes are trolling you adden.

Dunno if I told you this but you, dear sir, are the goddamn cake boss. The real one.




And lol thanks. Being good at cakes is like a participation trophy but I'll take what I can get.




Fuck dat, if you can get those pinsets on cakes, you will blow my grows out of the water with bulk. Bulk is so easier to dial in than cakes but a good hand is still needed to get the most out of it. Shit, you should try crumbling a couple of cakes in a tray if you don't have time to do a spawn run. At least that will get you a taste of the things to come.


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23399813 - 07/01/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Trays had crossed my mind, but then I thought about how those other two cakes looked when cut up. I'm surprised they didn't go moldy but I keep my stuff clean. I do get amazing pinsets with smoothing the top part with verm. That's worth waiting a week for, just slicing off the top of the cake and if it's spongey it's spent. If not it'll reproduce without all the leftover scraps of plucking sitting in your FC rotting. Flipping the cake gives a good second flush too since there are already small mushrooms that grow between the indent of the jar lid and top of it. Dunk again of course.


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Adden]
    #23399864 - 07/01/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They probably would have if they spent more time in open air.

You're too damn kind. Thank you but I already have GT. Nice of you to spread the love. Maybe try this link? That ought to get the attention of some folks that are still unable to see the marketplace. It's one of those free print threads but I think you can opt out of recieving prints yourself. No one dislikes free stuff I reckon.


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23400678 - 07/01/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good thread and info Adden! It's amazing how much of an impact consolidation has on fruiting. Whoever figured it out saved everyone a lot of trouble and failures. The good thing about brf cakes is they just keep on pumping out the flushes. Haven't made them in a long time, but I remember finding a good groove with them and getting 5-6 full flushes over 2 month period everytime. Seems like they could still keep going too, but I would have to make room for new ones by that point.

Cakes leave ya feeling like..
:whattefuck2:


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23400693 - 07/01/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That depends on how well you can execute your early flushes though. I think adden has successfully spent cakes in one flush with his pinsets. A lot of people discard cakes after two good flushes because they become squishy from all the shrooms they put out.


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23400722 - 07/01/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He's a heavy hitter with those cakes. Amazing work! :bow2:


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Adden]
    #23409337 - 07/04/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Adden, the self/peer proclaimed king of PF tek. :hatsoff:
That is a great finding, great mind opening post that is making me think.
Thank you for sharing.

So the cakes that only had a few days consolidation just colonized the verm and set you back even further and you had to troubleshoot by dunking again for 6hrs, (quarter the amount of time of the initial dunk) and re-rolling.
It is usually ill advised to re-roll cakes after proceeding flushes, but this was not a proceeding flush, it was a troubleshoot.

And the cakes that got 7-10 days consolidation did not colonize the verm layer and successfully fruited.

Do you reckon that if a colonized jar does not get 7-10 days consolidation it is still in colonization mode and the myc still wants to eat rather than fruit?

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Adden said:
Consolidate 7-10 days after your last jar finishes colonization.




I assume this statement is only relevant if all the jars in a single batch colonize at roughly the same speed, so this means that the faster jars get more than 7-10 days consolidation.

Some people say they go ahead and birth only after they begin to notice pins developing in the jars, what do you think about that?

Also, if the myc happens to colonize the verm should the cake be re-rolled?
Or does this only happen if the cake is in "colonization mode" as it has not consolidated for 7-10 days?


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Re: A lesson in patience and importance of 7-10 days consolidation [Re: Adden]
    #23409373 - 07/04/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Adden said:
Well, and another thing I hate to see is foil with standing water and verm in it. I highly recommend not even misting for 24h after the roll. People should be putting their cakes on upside down lids. Aluminum foil that's been degraded by myc is also gross, too, and a waste of foil. The closer the cake is to the perlite the better. And also why bother rolling if you're going to mist half of it off.

Since I had to birth these early, I smelled the jars before rinsing them, and knew two were bacterial right off the bat. I set them aside and bisected one and made discs out of the other. It amazed me that after 4 weeks, there was so much on the inside in a weak mycelial network. The jars had even started to pull away from the glass. I think in some cases it's a poor indicator to birth when you first start seeing it.




That is solid advise, fuck using foil for cake stands then.
Do those jar lids get rusty being used as cake stands?

I would think that plastic lids would be better than metal lids for cake stands so they don't rust.

I also learned that cakes with insane pin-sets should sit in a little saucer and the water should be changed every 24 hours.
This is so that all the shrooms on it are able to grow to maturity otherwise all the shrooms in the great pinset will end up small, ND taught me that anyway.

Might I also ask what you did with the bisected cake and cake pucks?


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