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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: MrSpadoodles]
    #23404910 - 07/02/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I feel like unless I IMed 100-200mg of DMT or did pharmahuasca there's absolutely no way to make sense of all the geometric madness that is happening all around you when you're there




I would highly advise trying oral dmt after researching it a solid amount if you have not.

It really drags the experience out as well as slows it down so things are much easier to process.

Basically its like a super clean mushroom trip with a slight harmala twist which is probably more noticeable with caapi instead of rue.


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23405867 - 07/03/16 12:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hm, nice! I'm gonna need to get some more DMT first but from now on that will most likely be my preferred ROA, because I certainly do want enough time to take the experience in. Does it seem like an eternity and do you "break through" or get entity contact on pharmahuasca like people do on vaporized DMT or is it a lot less potent? What quantity of freebase DMT would be suggested for a moderate pharmahuasca trip? 150mg? Or is that too much? Also, do you experience signifiant nausea and/or purging with a DMT+Rue combination if using the bare minimum amount of Syrian Rue needed or is that only a thing with traditional aya? You mentioned shrooms.. if you had to compare shroom dosages with pharmahuasca dosages to get a relative idea (I've done shrooms plenty of times), what amount of freebase DMT would equate to, say, an eight of dried P. Cubensis? What about 5g of cubes? A guesstimate would be fine, just trying to get a rough idea.


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: MrSpadoodles]
    #23405879 - 07/03/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: MrSpadoodles]
    #23405954 - 07/03/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are a lot of variables so it is hard to say and I don't have much experience personally but I will answer as best I can.

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Does it seem like an eternity and do you "break through" or get entity contact on pharmahuasca like people do on vaporized DMT or is it a lot less potent?




This depends largely on your maoi dose, if you take a smaller dose it might not be super potent or last super long, maybe like say the duration of mushroom tea(3-5 hours~)

But if you take a larger dose it will make the dmt take longer to breakdown so it will be more potent and last longer, easily 8+ hours like LSD.

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What quantity of freebase DMT would be suggested for a moderate pharmahuasca trip? 150mg? Or is that too much?




I wouldn't take any more than 50mg for a first time and even that could be fairly strong depending on your body chemistry and maoi dose.

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Also, do you experience signifiant nausea and/or purging with a DMT+Rue combination if using the bare minimum amount of Syrian Rue needed or is that only a thing with traditional aya?




This largely depends on the maoi used and your diet. If you use purified harmine/ harmaline that is really clean and weigh out a perfect dose it can be nausea free but even the pure harmalas can cause extreme nausea if you take enough and or have been eating poorly. If you eat plain rue the nausea may be worse as rue has natural dyes and other things that are hard for our bodies to process.

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You mentioned shrooms.. if you had to compare shroom dosages with pharmahuasca dosages to get a relative idea (I've done shrooms plenty of times), what amount of freebase DMT would equate to, say, an eight of dried P. Cubensis? What about 5g of cubes? A guesstimate would be fine, just trying to get a rough idea.




Since the potency varies a lot its really hard to say, as an example I will share a story from one of my few oral dmt experiences. I ate 50mg with 2 friends, anyways long story short for me and 1 friend it was perfect and comparable to maybe 2-3 grams of decently potent shrooms but much more lucid and clean. But one friend got really high and went and laid down in my bed for a few hours, he was fine overall but had wild time apparently.

So I would say 50mg could equal at least 1-2 grams of potent cubes, 100mg could be stronger then 5g shrooms possibly. It is really hard to say though.

Hope that helps :cheers:


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23405958 - 07/03/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've heard Terence McKenna say that shrooms are essentially just an oral delivery system for DMT. Psilocin is just 4-HO-DMT. I know the pharmacodynamics are different though but I know that high doses of shrooms seem indistinguishable from low to mid doses of smoked DMT


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23407021 - 07/03/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm I'll start off with ~50mg and the minimum Rue amount for my first time, then! My highest shroom dose was 4g of cubes lemon teked which was a blast but I wouldn't say it was super crazy and it wasn't very enlightening either. I get very paranoid on shrooms and the overall trip is pretty cloudy usually, so it's good to hear that pharmahuasca would be lucid. My second time I'd probably double the DMT dose and slightly increase the Rue. Do you know where people can get purified harmine/harmaline (and which of the two is preferred)? I mean, do they just sell it on Ebay or is that something I may need to use the deep web for to acquire? Also, how would smoking cannabis alter a pharmahuasca trip? Would it be good to use for reducing any nausea during the comeup or would it overly intensify the experience? Or could it help reduce anxiety and ease someone into the DMT hyperspace?


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: MrSpadoodles]
    #23407077 - 07/03/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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so it's good to hear that pharmahuasca would be lucid.




I can't guarantee it will be that way for you that is just how it felt the few times I have tried it. The overall experience felt much lighter then mushrooms too, my theory is there is less for the body to process so it has less of the "body load" that mushrooms can cause. Also I smoked a lot of weed the few times I tried it but I could feel the cannabis clouding the experience sort of, even felt the universe urging me to sober up and repeat so I could get fully immersed into the experience. For example at one point I was getting these visions, partly of Egyptian styled pyramids and desserts but there was this haze over the vision keeping it from being almost crystal clear, that haze felt like it was from the tryptamines and cannabinoids fighting over my brain :lol:

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My second time I'd probably double the DMT dose and slightly increase the Rue. Do you know where people can get purified harmine/harmaline (and which of the two is preferred)? I mean, do they just sell it on Ebay




I would only recommend dropping the rue dose if it makes you nauseous or lasts longer then you hoped, not taking enough and wasting the DMT can be a let down. A good idea would be trying 100mg -200mg on its own first to see how it effects you before mixing it with anything. Last I checked it was sold on ebay at around 10$ a gram, and I forget which but either harmine or harmaline supposedly causes more body load so some people prefer using just one but naturally they occur in a mix.

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Also, how would smoking cannabis alter a pharmahuasca trip? Would it be good to use for reducing any nausea during the comeup or would it overly intensify the experience? Or could it help reduce anxiety and ease someone into the DMT hyperspace?




Like I said I smoked a lot but I think you should try both ways :shrug: It could certainly help with anxiety and nausea or make them worse depending, smoking feels terrible when I am tripping sometimes but I still love it for the most part. It really makes me aware of how much I have hurt my lungs though :sad: One of the times I tried it I rolled up a bunch of joints to smoke with a friend.

Well during the experience I kept on spacing out and almost drifting off then I would hear my friend call out "joint?" :tongue2: and I would open my eyes to see him trying to pass me a J which I would puff on for a bit. At one point I felt like I was about to be sucked into a wormhole, literally I could see the vortex forming in my mind and felt like I was about to be taken somewhere until I heard my friend call out "joint?" which snapped me out of it :lol:

So yes smoking can be fun but I feel like it can also really distract from the experience too.


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23415409 - 07/05/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

nice, thanks for the info, dude! I'll go order some soon in time for my next DMT trip. and just to clarify, when you said 100-200mg you meant of extracted harmaline (or harmine) or did you mean 100-200mg of syrian rue? and is that the dose you would use for around 50-100mg of spice? (if so, I'd imagine you'd need 400mg if you do, say, 200mg of spice?)
does the DMT purity matter for pharmahuasca or can it have some leftover alkaloids in it without affecting the required dosage? In other words, if mine isn't as pure do I need to take more DMT or do the other trippy alkaloids make up for it?


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: MrSpadoodles]
    #23415495 - 07/05/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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and just to clarify, when you said 100-200mg you meant of extracted harmaline (or harmine) or did you mean 100-200mg of syrian rue? and is that the dose you would use for around 50-100mg of spice? (if so, I'd imagine you'd need 400mg if you do, say, 200mg of spice?)




Yeah I meant of purified harmala crystals, as for the amount you should use... It really varies person to person so its hard to say.

For me 100-150mg is when I start getting decent maoi activity but don't get much if any side effects or nausea besides maybe a slight sedation.

When I start pushing 200-250mg it starts becoming more psychedelic on its own and can have more negative side effects such as nausea or a dizzy/ drunken feeling.

Once out of curiosity (and stupidity) I took like 300-400mg without dieting and thought I was going to die possibly :lol: That was probably mostly me being high and worried but it made me seriously sick, like stumbling drunk barely able to walk while pillars of light appear and disappear in my peripheral vision. I barely made it to the bathroom to puke and back to my bed before I was practically immobile and essentially laid in my bed sweating profusely in a semi trance/ sleep like state having really bizarre abstract hallucinations.

It was worth it though as it really taught me how much respect the harmalas deserves especially to work with them safely. I also satisfied my curiosity around if harmalas could be very psychedelic on their own and the answer was yes and no :lol: it was a really trippy experience don't get me wrong but it felt more dissociative/ deleriant like then psychedelic. Like I said pillars of light would flash in the edges of my vision then disappear when I tried to look only to re appear in greater numbers :tongue2: Also I was having really abstract CEV of random colors shapes and patterns floating through a void.

All in all it was an interesting but frightening experience that really reinforced that old "more is not always better" saying for me. Sorry that was a bit of a ramble but the point is you should start low and try some on their own first to be safe. I personally wouldn't do any more then 50mg DMT and 200-250mg harmalas but 150-200 might be a more safe/ conservative guess depending on how they will effect you.

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does the DMT purity matter for pharmahuasca or can it have some leftover alkaloids in it without affecting the required dosage? In other words, if mine isn't as pure do I need to take more DMT or do the other trippy alkaloids make up for it?




Funny you should ask that, one of the few times I tried oral dmt was with some orange/ amber crystals and 50mg each was plenty for all 3 of us that tried it, that was the time one friend got a bit too high even and had to go lay down from just the 50mg. Though he may have just had less of a psychedelic tolerance then us :lol: But another time with the other of those 2 friends we ate some DMT that looked like salt, I honestly was worried it was salt at first as it was cleaned with a saline wash but it had no taste unlike salt...

Anyways the salt like stuff I took around 100mg of and even smoked some on top and it was amazing, one of the cleanest more euphoric experiences of my life. I have wondered if it being so clean is what allowed us to take more of it without as much body load/ side effects that impurities or other alkaloids might cause :shrug: Until more research is done is will be almost impossible to say really due to the subjective nature of the effects :sad:

Sorry to ramble so much but I hope that helps :lol: I am really baked as you can probably tell by the 4 same smileys :rofl2:


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23415522 - 07/05/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

nice :lol: I just smoked two bowls of caapi leaves earlier but I'm just slightly buzzed lol
and that sounds crazy, I'll try to stay away from higher harmala doses in that case :sad:
if I decide to try the harmala by itself before my DMT trip, how long does the tolerance last (if any at all) before I can dose again before the DMT? and can I just drink the harmalas with water and then 40 mins later put my DMT in orange juice, swirl around a bit, and chug that?


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: MrSpadoodles]
    #23415655 - 07/06/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nice :thumbup: I wish I had some caapi to test, the two plants I got awhile back don't look like they are going to make it :sad: I will try again though...

Just don't jump into higher doses :lol: they can be interesting if you are smart about it but I was probably really stoned and randomly decided to try it.

Like I said I hadn't dieted at all and had eaten a huge pizza the day before, I feel the harmala diet is very over hyped but on larger doses it could matter more.

I never read up on any tolerance issues with the harmalas, some people microdose daily them as natural antidepressants :shrug:

Personally I would encapsulate both, harmalas have a fairly off putting flavor and some dmt can as well plus its easy to weigh em in caps.

Also the timing varies a bit person to person from what I have read but 45 minutes is a good place to start.


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23415762 - 07/06/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

great! once again, thanks lots for all the great info, dude! can't wait to try it sometime soon :awesome:


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Re: LSD (220ug) + Insufflated DMT (~50-80mg) Combo??? [Re: MrSpadoodles]
    #23415784 - 07/06/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Your very welcome :cheers: I will be looking forward to seeing a trip report or anything if you share your experience, will try to keep an eye out.

I really feel like its the best way to use dmt if you really want to get the most out of it but of course to each his own.

Haven't even done it in awhile myself, haven't eaten any maoi's in awhile in general as I eat kratom daily and they are not a good mix.


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I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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